No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

[no1lion99]

It's interesting watching how this splits the BWI crowd. Some think CSS were fooled. Others thing Jerry did nothing. It can't be both, but it can be neither.

Jerry is an abuser, any rational person who understands CSA knows it by now. CSS screwed the pooch, again, any rational person knows that by now. Did they do it with good intentions or bad? I have no idea, but "hey I didn't mean to kill that person" isn't a defense for murder and it shouldn't be a defense for what they did either. No, TSM shouldn't get off the hook either, but again "hey those people killed people too" isn't a defense for murder either.

 

[BobPSU92]

When I find very curious in all this - is that our state never bothered to produce a victim for this particular crime after all these years.

They could've very easily manipulated Alan Myers (or whomever) to testify to being sexually assaulted that evening. It would've been a Home Run.

Why hasn't the state, for all their bleating about "the children", ever bothered to identify the ONE victim so integral to their "Conspiracy Of Silence"?

Shhh! Don't ask questions! Look over there! SHINY. OBJECT.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I doubt you know a damn thing about Jim Clemente.

Sure MtNitt does. Clemente believed Jerry is a master serial pedophile and JZ lets MtNitt keep his delusional dream alive that it was all a big mistake. That is why a small number of these guys still listen to JZ. He sells them a bogus dream and gets to get air time any time this heats up.

I mean Clemente has seen over 1000 cases of abuse and is a noted expert on sexual abuse, but JZ who is a radio guy desperately looking for attention (look no further than him pulling that crap and taping it at Matt S's speech) is so much more honorable than Clemente. I know who the Paterno's believe and I don't doubt for a second they have more info on any of this than any of the little JZ minions on this site.

 

[2turgisgrimm]

When I find very curious in all this - is that our state never bothered to produce a victim for this particular crime after all these years.

They could've very easily manipulated Alan Myers (or whomever) to testify to being sexually assaulted that evening. It would've been a Home Run.

Why hasn't the state, for all their bleating about "the children", ever bothered to identify the ONE victim so integral to their "Conspiracy Of Silence"?

They can't produce that which they know doesn't, and never existed.

 

[nittanydave1]

"hey I didn't mean to kill that person" isn't a defense for murder and it shouldn't be a defense for what they did either.

So why wasn't Ken Frazier charged with 70,000+ murders?

 

[no1lion99]

Sure MtNitt does. Clemente believed Jerry is a master serial pedophile and JZ lets MtNitt keep his delusional dream alive that it was all a big mistake. That is why a small number of these guys still listen to JZ. He sells them a bogus dream and gets to get air time any time this heats up.

I mean Clemente has seen over 1000 cases of abuse and is a noted expert on sexual abuse, but JZ who is a radio guy desperately looking for attention (look no further than him pulling that crap and taping it at Matt S's speech) is so much more honorable than Clemente. I know who the Paterno's believe and I don't doubt for a second they have more info on any of this than any of the little JZ minions on this site.

I would add that Clemente spent most of his career studying this for a living while JZ spent most of his career failing at being a shock jock all while living off his parent's money and his wealthy upbringing. Not to mention none of these MtNittwits has probably ever taken the time out of posting to find out who the real Clemente is.

 

[MtNittany]

Not to mention none of these MtNittwits has probably ever taken the time out of posting to find out who the real Clemente is.

Burke Ramsey found out who the real Clemente is.

 

[2turgisgrimm]

Have you ever considered that said person did not want to cooperate?

Why not, Jacques Coustreppe? Fear of being thrown down a well?

Jackass.

 

[coveydidnt]

Burke Ramsey found out who the real Clemente is.

I have to admit, that's a bad one for Clemente. I find his opinions on this case to be concerning as well. He definitely had reached a point in his career where his credibility was for sale.

His report's fine & all, but I'm unconvinced that he looked very deeply into this, so I tend to discount using him as a source for whether Jerry is guilty.

I believe Clemente went into his report with JERRY'S guilt as a given assumption.

 

[coveydidnt]

http://www.bigtrial.net/2017/04/federal-agent-no-sex-scandal-at-penn.html?m=1

Why again is there someone who disputes that there was a sex scandal on our BOT?
How can we go forward when the Alums keep electing flat-earthers?

 

[no1lion99]

Why again is there someone who disputes that there was a sex scandal on our BOT?
How can we go forward when the Alums keep electing flat-earthers?

That's not who you think it is.

 

[psugisher]

lot of people here believe both. That jerry was a masterful & diabolical groomer but didn't actually DO anything wrong.

I think you exaggerate.. Jerry certainly groomed his victims and his community. While he did plenty wrong, there was an awful lot to question about this case. One would think a prosecutor would want all I's dotted and T's crossed to ensure Sandusky wouldn't get off on any technicalities. But from the very beginning where there was the intentional grand jury leak, the whole think stunk to high heaven. The fact that a whole lot of Penn Staters took notice and questioned the process shouldn't be shocking, especially when they were grouped in as having a culture that allowed this and every time they question anything, they're told they aren't thinking about the victims.. but we know your agenda and why you're here so carry on..

 

[indynittany]

Have you ever considered that said person did not want to cooperate?

Well, he did tell police that he would never say a bad word about Jerry, the man he considered his surrogate father. And he never has!

 

[wensilver]

Because I just want to be sure, after watching Laura Ditka in the courtroom trying to run that ball into the end zone, spike it and do a little victory dance over Dr. Spanier enabling Jerry's crime spree......how much my state really cared about "the children" and "the victims".



So to recap:
Penn State admins were collectively charged with 22 counts including Perjury, Failure to Report, Conspiracy & Endangering the Welfare of a Child - 14 of which were felonies - and slowly ground through the glacial pace of the court process at not only a cost of millions of dollars in PA taxpayer resources but also at immense personal & professional costs.

The state's star witness has also been destroyed by the state & embroiled in years-long expensive litigation, due to our state's effort to prove a non-existent "conspiracy & cover up" over a horrendous incident that never happened, to a victim they can't be bothered to ever identify, abused via a charity they refuse to investigate in over 8 years.

The state engineered a “flip” strategy planning on NEVER having to bring the case to trial, over a "conspiracy & cover up" they knew they could not prove, concerning an "anal rape" that never happened, committed by the chairman & founder of a kids charity, that they can't possibly be bothered to ask questions of in over 8 years.

The state used "HUMANE" emails as the basis for their "conspiracy & cover up", emails which Louie Freeh LIED about finding, emails which have never been authenticated, over a horrendous crime that never happened, to a victim they can't be bothered to ever indentify, culled from a kids charity they've never bothered to investigate in over 8 years.

The same state complained of emails being taken out of context that would unfairly impugn, malign and torch the reputations of very good people :



In March of 2017 the state achieved a whopping total of of 3 misdemeanors, after stepping on the necks of 3 people for over 5 years, with an impossibly polluted jury pool found across the state, the cost of this debacle has gone well over a QUARTER of a BILLION dollars - to possibly HALF a BILLION.

All the while, the guy in charge of the now-convicted offender, his victims and his hunting grounds - sat in Laura Ditka's witness chair - admitting to the same knowledge as everyone else.

To quote Tom Corbett - It was a calculated risk

 

[2turgisgrimm]

Because I just want to be sure, after watching Laura Ditka in the courtroom trying to run that ball into the end zone, spike it and do a little victory dance over Dr. Spanier enabling Jerry's crime spree......how much my state really cared about "the children" and "the victims".

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So to recap:
Penn State admins were collectively charged with 22 counts including Perjury, Failure to Report, Conspiracy & Endangering the Welfare of a Child - 14 of which were felonies - and slowly ground through the glacial pace of the court process at not only a cost of millions of dollars in PA taxpayer resources but also at immense personal & professional costs.

The state's star witness has also been destroyed by the state & embroiled in years-long expensive litigation, due to our state's effort to prove a non-existent "conspiracy & cover up" over a horrendous incident that never happened, to a victim they can't be bothered to ever identify, abused via a charity they refuse to investigate in over 8 years.

The state engineered a “flip” strategy planning on NEVER having to bring the case to trial, over a "conspiracy & cover up" they knew they could not prove, concerning an "anal rape" that never happened, committed by the chairman & founder of a kids charity, that they can't possibly be bothered to ask questions of in over 8 years.



The state used "HUMANE" emails as the basis for their "conspiracy & cover up", emails which Louie Freeh LIED about finding, emails which have never been authenticated, over a horrendous crime that never happened, to a victim they can't be bothered to ever indentify, culled from a kids charity they've never bothered to investigate in over 8 years.

The same state complained of emails being taken out of context that would unfairly impugn, malign and torch the reputations of very good people :

View embedded media

In March of 2017 the state achieved a whopping total of of 3 misdemeanors, after stepping on the necks of 3 people for over 5 years, with an impossibly polluted jury pool found across the state, the cost of this debacle has gone well over a QUARTER of a BILLION dollars - to possibly HALF a BILLION.

All the while, the guy in charge of the now-convicted offender, his victims and his hunting grounds - sat in Laura Ditka's witness chair - admitting to the same knowledge as everyone else.

To quote Tom Corbett - It was a calculated risk

Do yourselves a favor, put Jockstrap and his clowns on ignore.

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[no1lion99]

Well, he did tell police that he would never say a bad word about Jerry, the man he considered his surrogate father. And he never has!

Say hi to Zig for me

 

[LaJolla Lion]

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She is a way smarter than you are which isn't saying much since you're nuts. She also isn't calling peoples employers with false accusations trying to get the fired or thrown in jail because you cannot cope with a differing opinion....yet the Free Jerry crowd cheers you on. You're one crazy SOB.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Why again is there someone who disputes that there was a sex scandal on our BOT?
How can we go forward when the Alums keep electing flat-earthers?

Simply astounding who you believe the "flat-earthers" to be and that the OAG didn't engage in "Malicious Prosecution" (the issuance of Indictments without "Probable Cause") - given these ridiculous notions of yours relative to the ACTUAL FACTUAL RECORD could you explain to me why:

• The OAG NEVER produced an "eyewitness" who saw "anal rape" that they claimed in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" supporting 100% of their double-digit Indictments against C/S/S?
• The OAG NEVER produced this same "State eyewitness" who gave the OAG's claimed "eyewitness account" to JVP, Curley and Schultz in support of 100% of their "Felony" Conspiracy, Perjury and Failure to Report charges (all of which the State lost at Court - not only lost, but this same OAG was sanctioned by the Court for "Prosecutorial Misconduct" during these deliberations related to these charges).
• The OAG intentionally misrepresented Mike McQueary's testimony to the "30th SWIGJ" in their written "33rd SWIGJ Presentment", the one which produced Indictments, claiming that Mike McQueary "saw and eyewitnessed anal rape" that night when Mike McQueary testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE (did NOT see or eyewitness anal rape or any sexual act that night and could only speculate about the possibility that is, in fact, what was going on) to the "30th SWIGJ", the actual SWIGJ he testified before (which again was NOT the "33rd SWIGJ" which produced both the Presentment and Indictments)?
• Why the 30th SWIGJ produced no Presentment or Indictments if Mike McQueary provided "Direct Evidence" eyewitness testimony as the OAG claims that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" anal rape (which we know he factually didn't from the actual record - and MM actually testified in the diametrically opposite fashion to the 30th SWIGJ which is "exculpatory evidence" relative to the OAG's "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and Indictment claims, the diametric opposite of "Direct Evidence Eyewitness" testimony the State claimed they would provide in their INDICTMENTS! - we know it not only from MM's actual 30th SWIGJ Testimony, but also from his OAG e-mail directly following the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment, his subsequent "at trial" sworn testimony consistent with MM's statements that he did not "eyewitness" what the State claimed in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" AND NEVER TOLD ANYONE HE HAD; AND FINALLY a Grand Juror who sat on the 30th SWIGJ publicly CONFIRMED that MM testified to the opposite at the 30th SWIGJ of what the corrupt OAG claimed in their INEXPLICABLE "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and Indictments)???
• Why Mike McQueary acted as a defense witness providing EXCULPATORY TESTIMONY relative to the State's claim that he ever claimed to be, or provide testimony as, an "eyewitness" who "saw" and "reported that he saw anal rape"???
• The OAG issued indictments saying they had, and would produce, an "eyewitness" who would provide "DIRECT EVIDENCE" of proof of their claims, but never produced an "eyewitness" such that 100% of the Indictments brought against C/S/S were brought with INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in the Indictments!?!? (claiming MM filed a "Report" - a fact that was never in dispute by the defense - is not "PROVING" MM made an "eyewitness report of anal rape" to the PSU Administrators ESPECIALLY when MM has testified in a PA Court of Law multiple times, including his seminal testimony to the 30th SWIGJ, that he DID NOT IN FACT provide such an "eyewitness" account to ANYONE and only ever SPECULATED as to the possibility that this may have been what was going on! 100% of the Indictments, including the "Felony Perjury" counts claim that MM provided the administrators with an "eyewitness" Report that he unquestionably "saw" and "eyewitnessed" anal rape that night and this is what he reported!!! Clear CONJECTURE, and OBTUSE CONJECTURE at that [stuff like "I thought it was over the line and I would have made it clear that I thought it was over the line whatever it was.....blah, blah, blah] is not EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY anywhere in the United States except apparently in the corrupt confines of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania!!!).

 

[wensilver]

So let's review:

Losers

• Tom Corbett - kicked to the curb by voters, and reviled for his time in office, Dr. Spanier's scalp still intact.
  
• Frank Fina - gone from public service in a cloud of hard-core porn, racism, hate, misogyny & ethical issues - forever being snickered about in PA legal circles about his "thing at work".
  
• State College residents - the Second Mile Mafia is still controlling your community - haahahahahaa!
  
• Mike McQueary - life & career aspirations destroyed by the AG using him as their "star witness" in a shitty case that never should have happened.
• PA Taxpayers
  
• PSU alumni
• Paterno's legacy & that of his Lettermen
• Josh Shapiro's Office of Attorney General
• Penn State's financial landscape

Winners

• Second Mile mafia
• PennLive
• ESPN
• All the Lawyers
• Ira Lubert

Still Standing

• Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz
• Louis Freeh
• Mark Emmert & the NCAA

 

[LaJolla Lion]

So let's review:

Losers

• Tom Corbett - kicked to the curb by voters, and reviled for his time in office, Dr. Spanier's scalp still intact.
  
• Frank Fina - gone from public service in a cloud of hard-core porn, racism, hate, misogyny & ethical issues - forever being snickered about in PA legal circles about his "thing at work".
  
• State College residents - the Second Mile Mafia is still controlling your community - haahahahahaa!
  
• Mike McQueary - life & career aspirations destroyed by the AG using him as their "star witness" in a shitty case that never should have happened.
• PA Taxpayers
  
• PSU alumni
• Paterno's legacy & that of his Lettermen
• Josh Shapiro's Office of Attorney General
• Penn State's financial landscape

Winners

• Second Mile mafia
• PennLive
• ESPN
• All the Lawyers
• Ira Lubert

Still Standing

• Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz
• Louis Freeh
• Mark Emmert & the NCAA

Disagree...no winners and losers in any of this. Not to mention you leave off Jerry and his victims....kind of odd how they get overlooked.

 

[getmyjive11]

Disagree...no winners and losers in any of this. Not to mention you leave off Jerry and his victims....kind of odd how they get overlooked.

This. No winners is this sad case.

 

[2turgisgrimm]

So let's review:

Losers

• Tom Corbett - kicked to the curb by voters, and reviled for his time in office, Dr. Spanier's scalp still intact.
  
• Frank Fina - gone from public service in a cloud of hard-core porn, racism, hate, misogyny & ethical issues - forever being snickered about in PA legal circles about his "thing at work".
  
• State College residents - the Second Mile Mafia is still controlling your community - haahahahahaa!
  
• Mike McQueary - life & career aspirations destroyed by the AG using him as their "star witness" in a shitty case that never should have happened.
• PA Taxpayers
  
• PSU alumni
• Paterno's legacy & that of his Lettermen
• Josh Shapiro's Office of Attorney General
• Penn State's financial landscape

Winners

• Second Mile mafia
• PennLive
• ESPN
• All the Lawyers
• Ira Lubert

Still Standing

• Dr. Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz
• Louis Freeh
• Mark Emmert & the NCAA

I have to disagree with PennLive as a "winner". Their shit articles barely draw any amount of comments anymore. And many larger employers have pulled their advertising from this turd rag because of complaints about the lies and morons there everytime a Penn State related article appears.

Penn Shit has been a big loser.

 

[psugisher]

Disagree...no winners and losers in any of this. Not to mention you leave off Jerry and his victims....kind of odd how they get overlooked.

Yeah.. except Jerry and his victims have been overlooked from the start.. only reason this case got national attention is because the focus was on Joe Paterno. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer using that angle.. plenty of media members have "won" due to their use of Joe Paterno as the center of their attack. None of them gave a damn about the victims, Sandusky or the facts. The only time the victims are brought up is when someone brings up an irrefutable fact or thought that contradicts the public narrative. Contradict that and you're an enabler that doesn't care about the true victims.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Yeah.. except Jerry and his victims have been overlooked from the start.. only reason this case got national attention is because the focus was on Joe Paterno. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer using that angle.. plenty of media members have "won" due to their use of Joe Paterno as the center of their attack. None of them gave a damn about the victims, Sandusky or the facts. The only time the victims are brought up is when someone brings up an irrefutable fact or thought that contradicts the public narrative. Contradict that and you're an enabler that doesn't care about the true victims.

Agree...was merely pointing it out. The witch hunt barely touched on Jerry.

 

[coveydidnt]

Simply astounding who you believe the "flat-earthers" to be and that the OAG didn't engage in "Malicious Prosecution" (the issuance of Indictments without "Probable Cause") - given these ridiculous notions of yours relative to the ACTUAL FACTUAL RECORD could you explain to me why:

• The OAG NEVER produced an "eyewitness" who saw "anal rape" that they claimed in the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" supporting 100% of their double-digit Indictments against C/S/S?
• The OAG NEVER produced this same "State eyewitness" who gave the OAG's claimed "eyewitness account" to JVP, Curley and Schultz in support of 100% of their "Felony" Conspiracy, Perjury and Failure to Report charges (all of which the State lost at Court - not only lost, but this same OAG was sanctioned by the Court for "Prosecutorial Misconduct" during these deliberations related to these charges).
• The OAG intentionally misrepresented Mike McQueary's testimony to the "30th SWIGJ" in their written "33rd SWIGJ Presentment", the one which produced Indictments, claiming that Mike McQueary "saw and eyewitnessed anal rape" that night when Mike McQueary testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE (did NOT see or eyewitness anal rape or any sexual act that night and could only speculate about the possibility that is, in fact, what was going on) to the "30th SWIGJ", the actual SWIGJ he testified before (which again was NOT the "33rd SWIGJ" which produced both the Presentment and Indictments)?
• Why the 30th SWIGJ produced no Presentment or Indictments if Mike McQueary provided "Direct Evidence" eyewitness testimony as the OAG claims that he "saw" and "eyewitnessed" anal rape (which we know he factually didn't from the actual record - and MM actually testified in the diametrically opposite fashion to the 30th SWIGJ which is "exculpatory evidence" relative to the OAG's "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and Indictment claims, the diametric opposite of "Direct Evidence Eyewitness" testimony the State claimed they would provide in their INDICTMENTS! - we know it not only from MM's actual 30th SWIGJ Testimony, but also from his OAG e-mail directly following the "33rd SWIGJ Presentment, his subsequent "at trial" sworn testimony consistent with MM's statements that he did not "eyewitness" what the State claimed in their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" AND NEVER TOLD ANYONE HE HAD; AND FINALLY a Grand Juror who sat on the 30th SWIGJ publicly CONFIRMED that MM testified to the opposite at the 30th SWIGJ of what the corrupt OAG claimed in their INEXPLICABLE "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and Indictments)???
• Why Mike McQueary acted as a defense witness providing EXCULPATORY TESTIMONY relative to the State's claim that he ever claimed to be, or provide testimony as, an "eyewitness" who "saw" and "reported that he saw anal rape"???
• The OAG issued indictments saying they had, and would produce, an "eyewitness" who would provide "DIRECT EVIDENCE" of proof of their claims, but never produced an "eyewitness" such that 100% of the Indictments brought against C/S/S were brought with INTENTIONALLY FRAUDULENT "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in the Indictments!?!? (claiming MM filed a "Report" - a fact that was never in dispute by the defense - is not "PROVING" MM made an "eyewitness report of anal rape" to the PSU Administrators ESPECIALLY when MM has testified in a PA Court of Law multiple times, including his seminal testimony to the 30th SWIGJ, that he DID NOT IN FACT provide such an "eyewitness" account to ANYONE and only ever SPECULATED as to the possibility that this may have been what was going on! 100% of the Indictments, including the "Felony Perjury" counts claim that MM provided the administrators with an "eyewitness" Report that he unquestionably "saw" and "eyewitnessed" anal rape that night and this is what he reported!!! Clear CONJECTURE, and OBTUSE CONJECTURE at that [stuff like "I thought it was over the line and I would have made it clear that I thought it was over the line whatever it was.....blah, blah, blah] is not EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY anywhere in the United States except apparently in the corrupt confines of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania!!!).

it was a sexual scandal.

a scandal involving at the very least allegations of sex.

 

[coveydidnt]

Yeah.. except Jerry and his victims have been overlooked from the start.. only reason this case got national attention is because the focus was on Joe Paterno. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer using that angle.. plenty of media members have "won" due to their use of Joe Paterno as the center of their attack. None of them gave a damn about the victims, Sandusky or the facts. The only time the victims are brought up is when someone brings up an irrefutable fact or thought that contradicts the public narrative. Contradict that and you're an enabler that doesn't care about the true victims.

Mostly so. But it's equally true that Noone on this board would care if the case didn't involve Paterno & 2 former FB coaches.

if this story was about a retired economic professor, a 50-year head of the Economy depth, and an econ TA, we'd collectively care about it for under a week.

 

[colt21]

Yeah.. except Jerry and his victims have been overlooked from the start.. only reason this case got national attention is because the focus was on Joe Paterno. Sara Ganim won a Pulitzer using that angle.. plenty of media members have "won" due to their use of Joe Paterno as the center of their attack. None of them gave a damn about the victims, Sandusky or the facts. The only time the victims are brought up is when someone brings up an irrefutable fact or thought that contradicts the public narrative. Contradict that and you're an enabler that doesn't care about the true victims.

Yes it is very safe to say that anyone who puts this on Paterno (even a little bit) does not care about the victims.

This is not now, nor never was about Joe - people need to come to grips with that - anyone who makes it about Joe takes the focus away from where it should be.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

it was a sexual scandal.

a scandal involving at the very least allegations of sex.

Nice try, whatever in the hell that stupid response is even suppose to mean! The "allegations" raised by the OAG in their "33rd Presentment and Indictment" - along with "Probable Cause Evidence" of these allegations - were KNOWINGLY FRAUDULENT from the get go and DIAMETRICALLY misrepresented what Mike McQueary testified to the SWIGJ, but don't let those FACTS get in the way of your lame bull$hit! The facts of the matter are quite clear and 100% of them point to a corrupt OAG that intentionally committed massive ABUSE OF POWER and MALICIOUS PROSECUTION!:

• Nobody EVER testified to ANY PA SWIGJ to "seeing" and "eyewitnessing" the ALLEGED CRIMES cited by the PA OAG in their Presentment and Indictments! The OAG's "33rd Presentment SWIGJ" and Indictment is UTTERLY fraudulent in the "Probable Cause Evidence" cited for 100% of the double-digit Indictments against C/S/S! Not only were the Indictments provably FRAUDULENT relative to the actual testimony made to the SWIGJ (made to the 30th SWIGJ, not the 33rd SWIGJ), but then The State COMPLETELY FAILED to produce an "eyewitness" of any kind cited in 100% of their Indictments against C/S/S -- McQueary's testimony was EXCULPATORY to the State's claim of having an "eyewitness to anal rape" (including testifying that he told the 30th SWIGJ that he was not an "eyewitness" to the State's Claims in their subsequent "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and Indictments) , not SUPPORTIVE of it! So the FACTUAL RECORD clearly proves that "The State" NEVER had an "eyewitness" supporting their "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" & Indictment "Probable Cause Evidence" claims!!!, but the Pennsylvania Judiciary has no problem with this massive breach of both the PA and U.S. Constitutions and clear PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT including beyond crystal clear MALICIOUS PROSECUTION!!!)
• How preciesly is The State using clear double-digit Malicious Prosecution Indictments, all of which they have lost or are losing (including to having been found to engaged in persistent Prosecutorial Misconduct by the Court), to "LEVERAGE" a single "Misdemeanor Plea Bargain", not further evidence of Prosecutorial Misconduct, Malicious Prosecution, abuse of power (i.e., CORRUPTION), etc....???

Only a scumbag, lawyer-genius such as yourself knows how ADDITIONAL Prosecutorial Misconduct and Malicious Prosecution to the tune of a single plea-bargained misdemeanor absolves the SEMINAL born-of-public-corruption Prosecutorial Misconduct, Malicious Prosecution, trampling of the PA Constitution, trampling of the U.S. Constitution, trampling of innocent citizens rights (i.e., who cares if they brought double-digit, beyond provable FALSE CHARGES against 3 separate individuals!!!), etc....

 

[roswelllion]

Disagree...no winners and losers in any of this. Not to mention you leave off Jerry and his victims....kind of odd how they get overlooked.

Especially Vic 2 and 5

 

[psugisher]

Mostly so. But it's equally true that Noone on this board would care if the case didn't involve Paterno & 2 former FB coaches.

if this story was about a retired economic professor, a 50-year head of the Economy depth, and an econ TA, we'd collectively care about it for under a week.

I know you wouldn't be here or even know of this board. Put BWI posters under the list of "losers" in all of this.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Especially Vic 2 and 5

All hail JZ.

 

[colt21]

Mostly so. But it's equally true that Noone on this board would care if the case didn't involve Paterno & 2 former FB coaches.

if this story was about a retired economic professor, a 50-year head of the Economy depth, and an econ TA, we'd collectively care about it for under a week.

Disagree - I would care

However, what bothers me the most about this is those who try and make this a Paterno thing for a variety of reason

1) this is not now nor never (a lot of 'negatives' there) should have been about Joe - true advocates for victims would know that

2 Corruption and power
a) those that made it about Joe used petty personal and political jealousies and power and greed to "make it about Joe"
b) if there is anything worse the CSA itself, it is people abusing their power to drive an agenda

3) for those that truly "care about the victims", every second spent talking about Joe is a second wasted on truly helping victims

4) the ONLY way to truly help victims is to shine the spotlight on the real issues here - unfortunately, because of money, power, greed, corruption, preservation (that is in my best FKNT prose), there is no way to truly get to the heart of the problem (see #2 above)

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Disagree - I would care

However, what bothers me the most about this is those who try and make this a Paterno thing for a variety of reason

1) this is not now nor never (a lot of 'negatives' there) should have been about Joe - true advocates for victims would know that

2 Corruption and power
a) those that made it about Joe used petty personal and political jealousies and power and greed to "make it about Joe"
b) if there is anything worse the CSA itself, it is people abusing their power to drive an agenda

3) for those that truly "care about the victims", every second spent talking about Joe is a second wasted on truly helping victims

4) the ONLY way to truly help victims is to shine the spotlight on the real issues here - unfortunately, because of money, power, greed, corruption, preservation (that is in my best FKNT prose), there is no way to truly get to the heart of the problem (see #2 above)

Worse than not getting at the heart of the problem - the corrupt OAG and political-actors on the OG BOT ARE THE PROBLEM, as one of the "abuse of powers" corruptions taking place is the POLITICAL PROTECTION and SHIELDING (via corruption and "abuse of power") of the parties responsible for ENABLING Sandusky at DPW/CYS/TSM!!!! Which means that they are not only corruptly protecting these parties, but the CHILDREN ARE STILL AT AS MUCH RISK AS THEY'VE EVER WERE due to the CORRUPTION which exists in PA Government and PA Charities!!!

 

[roswelllion]

All hail JZ.

Not remotely a JZ fan but don't let that stop you.

 

[marshall23]

Especially Vic 2 and 5

Some lawyers padded their IRA's thank you very much. Especially one of Ira's old buddies was it Kline?

 

[lionville]

Have you ever considered that said person did not want to cooperate?

While King Ira was doling out millions to anyone who made a claim of CSA no questions asked??????? No f'ing way.

 

[wensilver]

Disagree...no winners and losers in any of this. Not to mention you leave off Jerry and his victims....kind of odd how they get overlooked.

Specifically I am making the point about a corruptly manufactured case by our Office of Attorney General, that had they ethically & professionally prosecuted it, we would have gotten relevant answers from not only charity leadership, but also CYS/CPS professionals.

Note now how the concept of GROOMING is being introduced by professionals at Penn State. Where were these professionals a number of years ago on this issue? It was the drumbeat of a "football culture run amok, with top administrators actively conspiring to conceal a serial child sexual offender, for fear of bad publicity".

 

[coveydidnt]

Specifically I am making the point about a corruptly manufactured case by our Office of Attorney General, that had they ethically & professionally prosecuted it, we would have gotten relevant answers from not only charity leadership, but also CYS/CPS professionals.

Note now how the concept of GROOMING is being introduced by professionals at Penn State. Where were these professionals a number of years ago on this issue? It was the drumbeat of a "football culture run amok, with top administrators actively conspiring to conceal a serial child sexual offender, for fear of bad publicity".

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You go about everything completely wrong. Why not applaud Penn State for this new program instead of trashing them?

But instead lets's break down your key quote: "football culture run amok, with top administrators actively conspiring to conceal a serial child sexual offender, for fear of bad publicity"

1) "football culture run amok" - I wouldn't have said this myself. But you can see from the loons on this site that this is all about football to them, still. And say what you want, in 2004, just 2 years later, these very administrators tried to fire Joe or force him to retire. He had the power to tell them "nope." But look, the town & the school are strongly about football & sports in general. Anyone who's read these boards knows that.

2) "with top administrators actively conspiring to conceal a serial child sexual offender", well two top admins pled to concealment, at least. I would say that they were quite lucky in that Cynthia Baldwin's incompetence led a number of charges to be dropped. Not the merits of the case, but a technicality due to an incompetent. They were not found guilty of conspiracy, but I have to point out that they fought REALLY hard to get Baldwin's testimony tossed, rather than simply fighting the case on merits alone. I can't fault them for doing so, but I also don't see as vindication.

3) "for fear of bad publicity" - that's a good one!!! From the instant Joe raised the issue up above him, the admins were scrambling for ways to downplay, slow play, water down. The "Humane" thing in their eyes was to avoid publicity. I don't think that was a football-only position, it was, though, in general - avoid bad publicity, we just got through being trashed for SexFaire!

 

[getmyjive11]

Specifically I am making the point about a corruptly manufactured case by our Office of Attorney General, that had they ethically & professionally prosecuted it, we would have gotten relevant answers from not only charity leadership, but also CYS/CPS professionals.

Note now how the concept of GROOMING is being introduced by professionals at Penn State. Where were these professionals a number of years ago on this issue? It was the drumbeat of a "football culture run amok, with top administrators actively conspiring to conceal a serial child sexual offender, for fear of bad publicity".

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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. "Grooming" has been attached to this scandal since day one.

 

[BowieLion]

"Grooming" has been attached to this scandal since day one.

Link please.