No Sex Scandal at Penn State, Just A "Political Hit Job"

[marshall23]

Yep, wonder if that led to part of the denial about what Jerry was. Jerry played these people and community like a fiddle.

I am not an expert. I am told Jim Clemente is. I think he has been saying for some time that JS is the personification of "The nice guy offender." He is your priest, scout master, teacher or coach. He is above suspicion. That is why the entire witch hunt against PSU is counter productive. By targeting the PSU3 for blame, the opportunity has been missed to educate the public about this sort of criminal. There was no cover up at PSU. The University has been torched for no reason whatsoever. You don't cover up for this nice guy offender, he has been doing it for himself and he's an expert. If this went on for decades, while TSM had a very close relationship with all the state child care agencies and the courts (that approved many foster placements and adoptions to the Sandusky's) it makes real sense that Tim Curley should have known. Right!
No one believed Jerry was a pedophile. Not his wife, some of his adopted kids, folks at PSU, TSM......no one. Let's be honest, some of them still don't believe it.

 

[marshall23]

I hate to keep harping on the issue - but when Tim Curley is in Jack's office describing Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - Jack needed to address that.

It seems he never did. Swim trunks doesn't solve that pesky issue.

Since the epicenter of this shitstorm was Second Mile, and the leadership has pretty much gone into radio silence for over 6 years about Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - and Abraham went AWOL on her fact-finding mission - we simply don't know what the hell was going on.

It's the OUT OF PROGRAM contact that is the root cause of all of this.

I've tried to simplify it here :

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It had to be Tom Corbett's battle plan to pin the onus of covering for a pedophile on PSU. In addition, it is likely he got clearance to do so from his kingmaker. PSU was wrongly and unnecessarily torched and an opportunity to educate against this type of pedophile was lost. Now the blame shifts to Josh Shapiro, as he had his opportunity to make things right. Instead he unleashed Hurricane Ditka who huffed and puffed a "don't get confused with the facts" tirade. Shapiro needs to be retired from public life like Corbett.

 

[getmyjive11]

Pure speculation!

It is. I'm not taking a hard stance on it, it is merely what I believe.

 

[wensilver]

It had to be Tom Corbett's battle plan to pin the onus of covering for a pedophile on PSU. In addition, it is likely he got clearance to do so from his kingmaker. PSU was wrongly and unnecessarily torched and an opportunity to educate against this type of pedophile was lost. Now the blame shifts to Josh Shapiro, as he had his opportunity to make things right. Instead he unleashed Hurricane Ditka who huffed and puffed a "don't get confused with the facts" tirade. Shapiro needs to be retired from public life like Corbett.

I think Fina used fellow ADA Blessington's Monsignor Lynn "anal rape" template to carry out the political assassination & it blew up on him & Corbett when the Paterno name got swirled in and erupted into an epic media shitstorm.

I don't think they factored in the sports media - because HOLY SHIT - THE NCAA JUST SWAM UP LOOKING FOR BLOOD.

Remember - they both tried to weakly walk it back with regards to Joe - Fina in his interview with Armen K. & Corbett with admonishing the BoT and rattling a sword against the NCAA. Corbett was dead man walking with voters by then.

Now Josh says "no one is above the law" - time to prove it. I am in hopes that certain public officials are lurking in this thread - I know damned well some Phila attorneys lurk here.

As for Ditka - she was handed a crap case corruptly put together for reasons other than "the children". It never should have gone to trial and PA taxpayers should be outraged.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

No competent attorney would ever let their client testify in another proceeding when they are under indictment in a related matter. In my opinion, this is part of why the OAG indicted C/S/S on bogus charges -- to keep them from testifying in the Sandusky trial.

In addition and as I posted in another string, the "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in the C/S/S Indictments is a KNOWN LIE by the OAG! The OAG claims that Mike McQueary gave them an "eyewitness" account of a 10 year old child being anal-raped in the shower and they did nothing with it.....BUT Mike McQueary actually testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the 30th SWIGJ that he testified before (i.e., he DID NOT SEE or EYEWITNESS any such thing) and this is not only confirmed by Mike McQueary via an e-mail to the OAG in Nov 2011 and subsequent sworn testimony at trial, but also by a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror who has spoken publicly about it! The State did not have a shred of probable cause "evidence" to arrest C/S/S and the "Probable Cause Evidence" they did cite in 100% of their INDICTMENTS against C/S/S are known and provable LIES by the OAG in support of their illegitimate Indictments and it runs DIAMETRICALLY CONTRARY to how Mike McQueary testified to the SWIGJ Grand Jurors he spoke to, which were the 30th SWIGJ Grand Jurors - not the 33rd SWIGJ Grand Jurors!!!

Effectively, The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania just provably brought double-digit INDICTMENTS against C/S/S (not including the ones brought on this topic against JS) with ZERO LEGITIMATE PROBABLE CAUSE OR EVIDENCE supporting the Indictments that any such crimes were committed and the only "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in their Indictments being KNOWN FRAUDULENT Information to the OAG and only cited for the purpose of enabling the illegitimate Indictment for the purpose of Maliciously Prosecuting Pennsylvania Citizen.

How on earth this is being permitted by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Judiciary System is frankly beyond frightening and absurd.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

I am not an expert. I am told Jim Clemente is. I think he has been saying for some time that JS is the personification of "The nice guy offender." He is your priest, scout master, teacher or coach. He is above suspicion. That is why the entire witch hunt against PSU is counter productive. By targeting the PSU3 for blame, the opportunity has been missed to educate the public about this sort of criminal. There was no cover up at PSU. The University has been torched for no reason whatsoever. You don't cover up for this nice guy offender, he has been doing it for himself and he's an expert. If this went on for decades, while TSM had a very close relationship with all the state child care agencies and the courts (that approved many foster placements and adoptions to the Sandusky's) it makes real sense that Tim Curley should have known. Right!
No one believed Jerry was a pedophile. Not his wife, some of his adopted kids, folks at PSU, TSM......no one. Let's be honest, some of them still don't believe it.

He did say that and I was well aware of that. Blaming every other agency, TSM, and the OAG hasn't worked yet, but let me know when it does. The blame game sucks for sure, but saying look at them too has yet to be the answer.

 

[coveydidnt]

I hate to keep harping on the issue - but when Tim Curley is in Jack's office describing Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - Jack needed to address that. It doesn't matter what Mike McQueary said, saw, did or heard.

The issue is OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.

It seems Jack never addressed that. Swim trunks doesn't solve that pesky little issue of OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.

Since the epicenter of this shitstorm was Second Mile, and the leadership has pretty much gone into radio silence for over 6 years about Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - and Abraham went AWOL on her fact-finding mission - we simply don't know what the hell was going on.

It's the OUT OF PROGRAM contact that is the root cause of all of this - everything flows from that.

I've tried to simplify it here :

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If you want to die on that cross, so be it, but No, Jack R would have had no obligations as the head of TSM for out-of-program activities. How could he & why would he?

There is absolutely no laws against a Charity Founder and former kids served by that charity having contact outside of formal charity activities. There likely wasn't and shouldn't be anything in Charity policies about that either - why would there be -- How can an organization pretend to control ANYTHING that happens outside it's domain?

You are once again effectively arguing for JR's complete and total innocence. You may want to have your posts peer-reviewed before publishing.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I hate to keep harping on the issue - but when Tim Curley is in Jack's office describing Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - Jack needed to address that. It doesn't matter what Mike McQueary said, saw, did or heard.

The issue is OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.

It seems Jack never addressed that. Swim trunks doesn't solve that pesky little issue of OUT OF PROGRAM CONTACT.

Since the epicenter of this shitstorm was Second Mile, and the leadership has pretty much gone into radio silence for over 6 years about Jerry's OUT OF PROGRAM contact with Second Mile kids - and Abraham went AWOL on her fact-finding mission - we simply don't know what the hell was going on.

It's the OUT OF PROGRAM contact that is the root cause of all of this - everything flows from that.

I've tried to simplify it here :

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Actually, Sandusky - who held "Founder Status" and was the most powerful regulatory-listed "Control Person" at TSM - claims it was not "out of program" and that most of the visits to Lasch were done under TSM's Regulatory Reported "Friends & Fitness Program". Now you may be right, that Sandusky being isolated with the TSM Participants violates some element of the Registered Program (I really have no idea as I have never seen the filings on that, or any other, TSM DPW Registered Program), but it was even more serious than what you are stating imho. (i.e., Jerry was habitually violating the Policies & Procedures of TSM Registered Programs [we know he did this at CMHS as well]; it was being reported to TSM on a regular basis [including 1998, 2001 and 2008] and TSM/JR continually did nothing about Sandusky wantonly ignoring and violating TSM's Filed & Regulated Program Policies & Procedures. Now whose fault is it when the CEO of the charity fails to take proper action when these violations have been repeatedly reported??? Telling Sandusky to wear a swimsuit is not "proper action"!!!).

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

The only one who could "make a phone call" was Mike, because he was the only one who "saw"(?) heard something. Imbeciles can't comprehend that the police will take no action unless the witness comes forward.

Yes, but Mike McQueary did not tell the 30th SWIGJ he "saw" or "eyewitnessed" what the OAG claims he testified to in their Presentment and Indictments. IN FACT, McQueary's testimony to the 30th SWIGJ is EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE that he did not "see" or "eyewitness" (or report seeing or eyewitnessing) the CRIMINAL ACT that the OAG claims he "REPORTED AS AN EYEWITNESS" to the parties they INDICTED using nothing but fabricated and intentionally false "EVIDENCE" that did not exist as "Probable Cause" for their Indictments! This is ILLEGAL and a clear form of "Prosecutorial Misconduct" and STATE TYRANNY under both the PA and U.S. Constitutions!!! We know that it provably happened this way based on the FACTUAL RECORD including Mike McQueary's own statements (both written - OAG e-mail - AND sworn trial testimony including to the 30th SWIGJ itself) as well as the public statements of a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror!!!

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

If you want to die on that cross, so be it, but No, Jack R would have had no obligations as the head of TSM for out-of-program activities. How could he & why would he?

There is absolutely no laws against a Charity Founder and former kids served by that charity having contact outside of formal charity activities. There likely wasn't and shouldn't be anything in Charity policies about that either - why would there be -- How can an organization pretend to control ANYTHING that happens outside it's domain?

You are once again effectively arguing for JR's complete and total innocence. You may want to have your posts peer-reviewed before publishing.

You're absolutely full of $hit that the "Friends & Fitness Program" was not a regualatory registered TSM Program or that JS was not an authorized "counselor" administering the program - ditto his work at Central Mountain High School which is what sparked the investigation. Complete nonsense to claim that Sandusky wasn't working under the auspice of TSM on these Programs whether he was violating Policies and Procedures or not -- and the AG (Corbutt at the time) even acknowledges this in his SWIGJ Application in 5/1/2009.....not only acknowledges it, but says the information was given to him by DPW - TSM's Regulator and Licensor - based on DPW's Investigation which was SPARKED by a TSM Participant abused by Sandusky while under TSM's Protection!!!

 

[coveydidnt]

You're absolutely full of $hit that the "Friends & Fitness Program" was not a regualatory registered TSM Program or that JS was not an authorized "counselor" administering the program - ditto his work at Central Mountain High School which is what sparked the investigation. Complete nonsense to claim that Sandusky wasn't working under the auspice of TSM on these Programs whether he was violating Policies and Procedures or not -- and the AG (Corbutt at the time) even acknowledges this in his SWIGJ Application in 5/1/2009.....not only acknowledges it, but says the information was given to him by DPW - TSM's Regulator and Licensor - based on DPW's Investigation which was SPARKED by a TSM Participant abused by Sandusky while under TSM's Protection!!!

It's was Wendy who made the case that it was not part of TSM contact. Not me.

 

[LundyPSU]

In addition and as I posted in another string, the "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in the C/S/S Indictments is a KNOWN LIE by the OAG! The OAG claims that Mike McQueary gave them an "eyewitness" account of a 10 year old child being anal-raped in the shower and they did nothing with it.....BUT Mike McQueary actually testified to the DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE to the 30th SWIGJ that he testified before (i.e., he DID NOT SEE or EYEWITNESS any such thing) and this is not only confirmed by Mike McQueary via an e-mail to the OAG in Nov 2011 and subsequent sworn testimony at trial, but also by a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror who has spoken publicly about it! The State did not have a shred of probable cause "evidence" to arrest C/S/S and the "Probable Cause Evidence" they did cite in 100% of their INDICTMENTS against C/S/S are known and provable LIES by the OAG in support of their illegitimate Indictments and it runs DIAMETRICALLY CONTRARY to how Mike McQueary testified to the SWIGJ Grand Jurors he spoke to, which were the 30th SWIGJ Grand Jurors - not the 33rd SWIGJ Grand Jurors!!!

Effectively, The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania just provably brought double-digit INDICTMENTS against C/S/S (not including the ones brought on this topic against JS) with ZERO LEGITIMATE PROBABLE CAUSE OR EVIDENCE supporting the Indictments that any such crimes were committed and the only "Probable Cause Evidence" cited in their Indictments being KNOWN FRAUDULENT Information to the OAG and only cited for the purpose of enabling the illegitimate Indictment for the purpose of Maliciously Prosecuting Pennsylvania Citizen.

How on earth this is being permitted by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Judiciary System is frankly beyond frightening and absurd.

Mike did give a police statement and GJ testimony that he believed JS was sodomizing the boy.

 

[colt21]

If you want to die on that cross, so be it, but No, Jack R would have had no obligations as the head of TSM for out-of-program activities. How could he & why would he?

There is absolutely no laws against a Charity Founder and former kids served by that charity having contact outside of formal charity activities. There likely wasn't and shouldn't be anything in Charity policies about that either - why would there be -- How can an organization pretend to control ANYTHING that happens outside it's domain?

You are once again effectively arguing for JR's complete and total innocence. You may want to have your posts peer-reviewed before publishing.

I know I shouldn't jump in when I'm not playing along regularly but I'll just note that I don't think you know what you are talking about here......

 

[indynittany]

....The University has been torched for no reason whatsoever....

I agree with everything you're saying, with this exception. Tom Corbett had a reason to push this narrative with full knowledge that it was untrue. I don't know if he was pulling the strings or acting on orders from above. And maybe we'd all know if the focus would shift to TSM.

Now that the legal system has concluded that there was no attempt at PSU to conceal Sandusky's crimes or enable his activities, we should be asking why PA spent $ millions to make a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Mike did give a police statement and GJ testimony that he believed JS was sodomizing the boy.

"Believed" is not EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY - nor is conjecture "admissible" as EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. "EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY" is considered "direct evidence" - conjecturing about something you "think" was going on is HEARSAY and INADMISSIBLE, not "eyewitness testimony. So you're full of $hit, that Mike McQueary gave "police" or the "OAG" the type of "testimony" they claimed he gave to the SWIGJ! Both Mike McQueary (via his 30th SWIGJ Testimony, a written e-mail to the OAG immediately following the issue of Presentment/Indictmenats and subsequent sworn testimony in a PA Court of law) as well as a 30th SWIGJ Grand Juror have UNQUESTIONABLY stated that Mike McQueary testified that he DID NOT "SEE" or "EYEWITNESS" what the corrupt OAG claims he testified to in their FRAUDULENT "33rd SWIGJ Presentment" and accompanying Indictments. IOW, the corrupt OAG NEVER had any "eyewitness" to their claims NOR did Mike McQueary ever say he made the claim that he "eyewitnessed" what the OAG claims.

Saying "you believe" something DESPITE NOT ACTUALLY SEEING IT, is NOT "eyewitness" testimony and is IN FACT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE relative to the corrupt OAG's claims, especially when 100% of the OAG's "Probable Cause Evidence" for 3 of the 4 individuals is constituted of FRAUDULENT EVIDENCE that was intentionally fabricated and conjured by the OAG for the purpose of "Maliciously Prosecuting" the 3 individuals AND NEVER EXISTED IN REALITY!!! As in NEVER EVER according to none other than Mike McQueary himself who stated under oath at trial that he DID NOT SEE what the OAG claimed he "SAW", "EYEWITNESSED" and would testify to in court....and then McQueary said that he not only DIDN'T see it, but added that he NEVER TOLD ANYONE HE HAD for good measure in regards to the undeniably of the the OAG's LIE!!!!

Saying "you believe something" when asked a different question - i.e., limit your answer to what you actually saw - is not EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY you fargging @ssmunch!!!

 

[CDW3333]

Yep, wonder if that led to part of the denial about what Jerry was. Jerry played these people and community like a fiddle.

To be honest, Sandusky always drove slowly in school zones.

 

[Mixolydian]

To be honest, Sandusky always drove slowly in school zones.

Did he rear end you Chris?

 

[marshall23]

He did say that and I was well aware of that. Blaming every other agency, TSM, and the OAG hasn't worked yet, but let me know when it does. The blame game sucks for sure, but saying look at them too has yet to be the answer.

My point is that if Clemente is correct, why is there a "blame game" to play? The "blame game" is set in motion when the folks who should be the least culpable are the only ones being prosecuted.

 

[marshall23]

To be honest, Sandusky always drove slowly in school zones.

and apparently you were there to take notice.

 

[MtNittany]

My point is that if Clemente is correct, why is there a "blame game" to play? The "blame game" is set in motion when the folks who should be the least culpable are the only ones being prosecuted.

Clemente entered this fray for the same reason shubin and freeh did.

 

[marshall23]

Clemente entered this fray for the same reason shubin and freeh did.

Are you saying Clemente was paid millions? That he is incorrect about nice guy offenders?

 

[BobPSU92]

Clemente entered this fray for the same reason shubin and freeh did.

O.K.

 

[MtNittany]

Are you saying Clemente was paid millions? That he is incorrect about nice guy offenders?

Not saying either. Just saying that he showed little interest in the case until he was commissioned.

 

[BobPSU92]

Are you saying Clemente was paid millions? That he is incorrect about nice guy offenders?

Exactly. I respect MtNittany on many fronts, but he is way off-base here.

 

[MtNittany]

Exactly. I respect MtNittany on many fronts, but he is way off-base here.

I'm just pointing out that he (like all the players in this saga) has a bias. He believes AF lock, stock, and barrel imo, and he doesn't know a hill of beans about AF.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Are you saying Clemente was paid millions? That he is incorrect about nice guy offenders?

What he doesn't like is someone with expert knowledge basically crapping on JZ's non professional opinion.

 

[towny87.1]

I agree with everything you're saying, with this exception. Tom Corbett had a reason to push this narrative with full knowledge that it was untrue. I don't know if he was pulling the strings or acting on orders from above. And maybe we'd all know if the focus would shift to TSM.

Now that the legal system has concluded that there was no attempt at PSU to conceal Sandusky's crimes or enable his activities, we should be asking why PA spent $ millions to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Funny that you are using the legal system as long as it suits your needs.

If you are going to go by the legal system you also have to say that the admins are guilty of EWOC for knowing they were required to report the 2001 incident. Not reporting it and intentionally not doing so.

Make all of the excuses for them you want as to the reason for pleading guilty but that is what they admitted to doing and pleaded guilty to. That is how the legal system and how everyone in the world except for you and a few misinformed wishful thinkers see this.

 

[marshall23]

Funny that you are using the legal system as long as it suits your needs.

If you are going to go by the legal system you also have to say that the admins are guilty of EWOC for knowing they were required to report the 2001 incident. Not reporting it and intentionally not doing so.

Make all of the excuses for them you want as to the reason for pleading guilty but that is what they admitted to doing and pleaded guilty to. That is how the legal system and how everyone in the world except for you and a few misinformed wishful thinkers see this.

Thanks for giving us your sage advice.

 

[2turgisgrimm]

Funny that you are using the legal system as long as it suits your needs.

If you are going to go by the legal system you also have to say that the admins are guilty of EWOC for knowing they were required to report the 2001 incident. Not reporting it and intentionally not doing so.

Make all of the excuses for them you want as to the reason for pleading guilty but that is what they admitted to doing and pleaded guilty to. That is how the legal system and how everyone in the world except for you and a few misinformed wishful thinkers see this.

 

[indynittany]

Funny that you are using the legal system as long as it suits your needs.

If you are going to go by the legal system you also have to say that the admins are guilty of EWOC for knowing they were required to report the 2001 incident. Not reporting it and intentionally not doing so.

Make all of the excuses for them you want as to the reason for pleading guilty but that is what they admitted to doing and pleaded guilty to. That is how the legal system and how everyone in the world except for you and a few misinformed wishful thinkers see this.

There's a difference between accidentally failing to properly secure a child's seat belt in the car and in doing so on purpose. Both scenarios constitute EWOC. One is a misdemeanor. One is a felony. The only person in this saga actually guilty of acting with intent is the one with red hair, who liked to gamble, cheat on his wife and use his university issued cell phone to send pictures of his junk to college coeds.

Did anyone at PSU prevent the following people from going to the authorities:
Mike McQueary, the witness?
Alan Myers, the so-called victim?
Jack Raykovitz, the child psychologist and mandatory reporter?

In what reality does it make sense that the actual witness is paid $ millions because he told a football coach, while the college administrators with second hand knowledge are ruined for life when they, in fact, told the man professionally responsible for both Jerry and the boy?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

There's a difference between accidentally failing to properly secure a child's seat belt in the car and in doing so on purpose. Both scenarios constitute EWOC. One is a misdemeanor. One is a felony. The only person in this saga actually guilty of acting with intent is the one with red hair, who liked to gamble, cheat on his wife and use his university issued cell phone to send pictures of his junk to college coeds.

Did anyone at PSU prevent the following people from going to the authorities:
Mike McQueary, the witness?
Alan Myers, the so-called victim?
Jack Raykovitz, the child psychologist and mandatory reporter?

In what reality does it make sense that the actual witness is paid $ millions because he told a football coach, while the college administrators with second hand knowledge are ruined for life when they, in fact, told the man professionally responsible for both Jerry and the boy?

In the trolls world, but of course....

 

[indynittany]

Mike did give a police statement and GJ testimony that he believed JS was sodomizing the boy.

And yet Mike failed to convey that message to a single person he spoke with in 2001!

 

[getmyjive11]

What he doesn't like is someone with expert knowledge basically crapping on JZ's non professional opinion.

It's interesting watching how this splits the BWI crowd. Some think CSS were fooled. Others think Jerry did nothing. It can't be both, but it can be neither.

 

[coveydidnt]

It's interesting watching how this splits the BWI crowd. Some think CSS were fooled. Others thing Jerry did nothing. It can't be both, but it can be neither.

lot of people here believe both. That jerry was a masterful & diabolical groomer but didn't actually DO anything wrong.

 

[indynittany]

It's interesting watching how this splits the BWI crowd. Some think CSS were fooled. Others thing Jerry did nothing. It can't be both, but it can be neither.

Jerry was too toxic. For most, he still is. Nobody gave Sandusky or anyone associated with him the presumption of innocence. To this day, there are many places where you can't even defend Joe without being called a pedophile enabler. Jerry Sandusky went from legend, saint, thousand points of light to Jeffrey Dahmer in the blink of an eye because the OAG and Penn State did everything it could to sell that narrative.

Joe said that if Jerry was guilty of what he was accused, he had fooled a lot of people. For people who like to throw out Occam's Razor, this has always made the most sense. However, the most serious accusation to which Joe was referring was fabricated by the OAG. When McQueary was writing to the OAG to say his testimony was being misrepresented, why wasn't the university in his corner?

The OAG embelished what Sandusky did. They were not about to lose and they weren't about to take on this case just to prove Jerry was a little creepy. They had to paint him as a monster. They tried to generate as much publicity as possible. They used memory regression therapy. They manipulated victims to tell similar stories so they could use that as establishing a pattern of behavior. They charged C/S so they couldn't counter MM's testimony. They refused to give Amendola any continuances. Individually, many of the charges were suspect, including those related to V2, whose identity was known and withheld from the jury.

To your point, it's always been reasonable to separate Sandusky's guilt or innocence from any possible culpability of C/S/S, but reason had had nothing to do with this mess. Sandusky could be guilty and simply have fooled everyone. It could also be that he never actually sexually touched anyone. There's really no evidence, but we now know at least that there was no PSU conspiracy to protect the football team.

A third possibility is that Sandusky is guilty of some of the charges and he is where he belongs, but not all of them. That would explain why he was able to fool so many for so long and why the OAG was willing to break the law in order to get Sandusky away from young boys.

 

[L.T. Young]

The 98 incident would only serve to show how incompetent or complicit all LE, CCAG and Child Services really were. After a "thorough" and "proper" investigation, JS was given an pat on the back and returned to his charity. No restrictions.
01, without a complaint, actually got more attention, since it resulted in shutting down JS at PSU and gave the opportunity for TSM to do the same. Instead, given the same circumstances that led Tim and Gary to banish JS, Bruce Heim and Jack Raykovitz merely sent him down the street.
PSU= no cover up, no conspiracy of silence, in hindsight an error in judgement. The Commonwealth was willing to give that assumption of innocence to TSM (despite the shredder trucks). Why?

You're preaching to the choir.

No matter what you believe TSM should have been subject to a thorough investigation. They had a hell of a lot more motive to protect Sandusky and hide his behavior.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You're preaching to the choir.

No matter what you believe TSM should have been subject to a thorough investigation. They had a hell of a lot more motive to protect Sandusky and hide his behavior.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[wensilver]

When I find very curious in all this - is that our state never bothered to produce a victim for this particular crime after all these years.

They could've very easily manipulated Alan Myers (or whomever) to testify to being sexually assaulted that evening. It would've been a Home Run.

Why hasn't the state, for all their bleating about "the children", ever bothered to identify the ONE victim so integral to their "Conspiracy Of Silence"?

 

[no1lion99]

Clemente entered this fray for the same reason shubin and freeh did.

I doubt you know a damn thing about Jim Clemente.

 

[no1lion99]

When I find very curious in all this - is that our state never bothered to produce a victim for this particular crime after all these years.

They could've very easily manipulated Alan Myers (or whomever) to testify to being sexually assaulted that evening. It would've been a Home Run.

Why hasn't the state, for all their bleating about "the children", ever bothered to identify the ONE victim so integral to their "Conspiracy Of Silence"?

Have you ever considered that said person did not want to cooperate?