ADVERTISEMENT

Ohio State dual thread - Feb 14

Don't put your knee by your head is the real lesson. I got a feeling McCrone has looked for that move from that position a lot.
I think McCrone just muscled Luke's head to his knee to hit the cradle, I don't think it was a fundamental mistake. Posters talking about Luke getting caught, nope, that makes it sound like McCrone got lucky. Remember Ed Ruth, he didn't catch people, he used quickness and strength to hit a lot of cradles. Luke is by far the better wrestler.

Lesson learned is Luke has got to quickly get off the bottom. Come tournament time, avoid bottom if at all possible.
 
I know Ant the Champ wasn’t a big Hwt and he beat the unbeatable Gable TWICE. But if after a year of trying to bulk up, Cole is only 221…I just don’t see him being a legitimate hwt. Feldman is a not a big hwt and he looked like a giant next to Cole.
Big age difference between when Ant the Champ bulked up and true freshman Cole. Give Cole time.
 
I think McCrone just muscled Luke's head to his knee to hit the cradle, I don't think it was a fundamental mistake. Posters talking about Luke getting caught, nope, that makes it sound like McCrone got lucky.
That's exactly what happened. I was worried about 30 seconds before he got put on his back because McCrone was working it hard and Luke was unsure about how to get out of the position he found himself in. McCrone earned it.
 
It’s hard to see him AA without quite a bit of improvement on the offensive side. He is elite defensively but if every match you wrestle is a 1 td OT match it’s extremely hard to win 4 or 5 of those at 1 tournament against high level competition

Rocco's run to the finals last year: 4-2, 4-1 SV, 4-1 SV, 4-1 before losing to Star 2-0. Has anyone ever finished 2nd at NCAAs with 4 total TDs for the tourney?

If he and Gabe wrestle next year I predict matches will be won or lost by ride-out.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wrestlingfan22
Not even on the same planet based on that showing.

Yeah, obviously, but geez, seems like something's wrong. I don't have any inside info on how Sealey has looked inside the room, but I did see him a bit in high school and he didn't look himself. It's easy to make excuses every time a PSU wrestler loses I guess, but I think it's at least possible that SOMETHING was going on there last night (illness, injury, weight cut, etc.). I guess we'll see. It always seemed like he was going to have a tough time finding a starting spot in the lineup at PSU, but you'd like to see him more competitive against a good but not great opponent.
 
fun match! LL will be fine. Davis was really gutty but looked to limp at the end.... hope he gets 100%. Beau gets it done, big match. SVN - next topic (as far as I'm concerned). Sealey - opponent looked very good but Joe needs to create an angle. He'll be ok as well. Levi and Star looked solid and tough. Same with Barr. Had two good shots at heavy too bad the first wasn't converted and 2nd ran out of time. Future looks good (and crowded).
Minny looked good and Iowa was on a mission!
 
  • Like
Reactions: David Keller
Levi should get this W but Kharcala is looking closer to the guy who teched Mekhi than he has before
Yep, and that was also the last match where he actually had 2 good ACL's. His entire college career he was wrestling with a torn ACL. For a mat guy you may not notice it that much aka Spencer Lee but Kharchla's game is almost 100% Neutral on your feet.
 
Cannon has some pedigree, he was a nationally ranked wrestler in HS before getting bone cancer. I think he was in the top 10 or 15 in the class of 2023 at one time.
Yes and that’s a VERY untold story. He has endured that fight throughout childhood, spending months at a time unable to walk. Flo, to their credit, has documented some of it.
 
He had some nice shots. Just got out horsed or ran out of time.
I thought he attempted numerous shots but was tentative on trying to finish. Actually looked a little slow ,which is concerning for being on small size of heavyweight.
 
Last edited:
I thought he attempted numerous shots but was tentative on trying to finish. Actually looked a little slow ,which is concerning for being on small size of heavyweight.

I don't think it was slow as much as it was tentative. Geez, he's a true freshman in his first dual against a guy who (as others have pointed out), could be the pre-season #1 going into next year. With some confidence and experience, my guess is that he'll get a whole lot "faster".
 
fun match! LL will be fine. Davis was really gutty but looked to limp at the end.... hope he gets 100%. Beau gets it done, big match. SVN - next topic (as far as I'm concerned). Sealey - opponent looked very good but Joe needs to create an angle. He'll be ok as well. Levi and Star looked solid and tough. Same with Barr. Had two good shots at heavy too bad the first wasn't converted and 2nd ran out of time. Future looks good (and crowded).
Minny looked good and Iowa was on a mission!
Wonder if anyone else weighed in at 133? Is it possible that Cael sits Davis if Luke had won vs mccrone?( Don't want to be down 12-0 after Two matches)
 
Yep, and that was also the last match where he actually had 2 good ACL's. His entire college career he was wrestling with a torn ACL. For a mat guy you may not notice it that much aka Spencer Lee but Kharchla's game is almost 100% Neutral on your feet.
My wresting experience is limited to grade school and I never encountered wrestling anyone with a leg brace and sleeve. The question I have is whether that gives a wrestler like Kharchlas an unintended advantage?

Is it harder to grab a leg or are you less inclined to want to since these braces hurt when you get a leg or arm in there? I’m not talking getting caught, just that they are hard and any impact can be painful. I wonder too about grip which may go either way, but the non-uniformity has to be an odd feel. My personal perspective is soccer and playing against someone wearing a heavy brace. Any and all contact is painful and cumbersome to the normal feel of a tackle or leg contact.
 
285 - Cole Mirasola VS #9 Nick Feldman

Period 1:
Byers said Cole weighted in at 221.9 pounds & Feldman at 233.2 pounds. Let's go Cole! Feldman reaches for an ankle off the whistle, but no luck. Feldman times a nice double for the TD, 3-0. Escape Cole, 3-1. Cole reaches for an ankle, but no luck, 2-min left. Cole hits an ankle pick. Feldman gets a leg too & elevates it. Potentially dangers & restart. Circling, tying up & hand fighting, 1-min left. Feldman shoots, but Cole fights out of it. Back to neutral, tying up & hand fighting. The ref is yelling about fingers. Cole with a slick ankle pick at the end of the period, but time expires before he can finish. 3-1 Feldman, +3-sec RT

Period 2:
Feldman takes down & quickly gets an escape, 4-1. The ref is yelling about fingers again. Feldman shoots & gets a leg, then trips Cole to the mat for another TD, 7-1. Cole gets to his feet & gets the escape, 7-2. Stoppage & restart. The ref is talking to the wrestlers about fingers. Circling & tying up, forehead to forehead. The ref is yelling about fingers again, 30-sec left. More circling & tying up to end the period. 7-2 Feldman, +15-sec RT

Period 3:
Cole takes down. He gets to his feet & gets the escape, 7-3. Feldman has 42-sec RT. Feldman hits a sweep single & gets a leg. Cole locks through the crotch & it's a stalemate, restart, 1:05 left. Cole shoots, but no luck. The ref is yelling about fingers again. Cole shoots, but Feldman circles away. Cole hits an ankle pick, but Feldman gets to an ankle too. Cole is trying to come up, but Feldman comes around for the TD, 10-3. Feldman rides out the period for the 10-3 decision. That's all folks!!!!

Nick Feldman DEC Cole Mirasola 10-3

Final Team Score

PSU: 27
OSU: 13
Did anyone else watching the Mirasola match think, oh no here comes a lecture from Googles about Cole not being big enough to be a heavy?
 
All the "oh my God, Sealy" makes me want to scream come on, relax.

The kid has been injured and missed out on a lot of time running the gauntlet daily against Kasak, Casey, Cody, SVN, MM, LH and others. There is a ton of development that he has missed out on. They didn't toss him out there to just see him get crushed.

He will be fine and by this time next year (probably not starting) he will be an animal pushing AA or champion starters for their spots.
 
I think McCrone just muscled Luke's head to his knee to hit the cradle, I don't think it was a fundamental mistake. Posters talking about Luke getting caught, nope, that makes it sound like McCrone got lucky. Remember Ed Ruth, he didn't catch people, he used quickness and strength to hit a lot of cradles. Luke is by far the better wrestler.

Lesson learned is Luke has got to quickly get off the bottom. Come tournament time, avoid bottom if at all possible.
In my opinion, getting stuck in the leg ride was the main problem, The cradle was a result of that as he had plenty of time to work the cradle.
 
I know Ant the Champ wasn’t a big Hwt and he beat the unbeatable Gable TWICE. But if after a year of trying to bulk up, Cole is only 221…I just don’t see him being a legitimate hwt. Feldman is a not a big hwt and he looked like a giant next to Cole.
Define "legitimate heavyweight".

IIRC, Kyle Snyder wrestled at around 230 lb in college, and spearheaded the recent trend toward smaller, more athletic heavies. Mike McMullen wasn't huge, just very skilled and athletic. And Anthony Cassar. And Feldman. Just a few off the top of my head.

I can agree that Cole Mirasola needs to get bigger and stronger. Another 10 lb of good weight (which doesn't seem crazy) could help a lot. He clearly has a ways to go, but losing by decision to Feldman (a 3rd year guy and not a stiff) isn't a terrible result for a true frosh.
 
Last edited:
Did anyone else watching the Mirasola match think, oh no here comes a lecture from Googles about Cole not being big enough to be a heavy?

To be honest, I thought every single PSU guy from 165 to HWT looked tiny in comparison to the tOSU guys and that includes a 157 wrestling up at 165 pounds. Obviously, since HWT is unlimited, being undersized there is a bigger deal than it would be at any other weight class. (A couple of the PSU guys (Haines and Barr especially) were taller than their opponents, but still, some of the tOSU guys dwarfed their PSU opponent).
 
  • Like
Reactions: railbirrd
In my opinion, getting stuck in the leg ride was the main problem, The cradle was a result of that as he had plenty of time to work the cradle.
I was thinking during the sequence leading up to the cradle that he may be better off going prone and starting over because he was stuck in a bad position otherwise. Was I wrong to think that?

Just seemed like Luke was too committed to his position rather than taking a step back and starting over. Or is that too simplistic?
 
Attacking at the HS level when the guys don't hand fight well is way different than wrestling an experienced D1 guy. If you can't beat the head and hands defense you can't shoot
That’s fair and inarguably true.

My question is why don’t those differences show up so drastically in more guys with world class pedigree?
 
I was thinking during the sequence leading up to the cradle that he may be better off going prone and starting over because he was stuck in a bad position otherwise. Was I wrong to think that?

Just seemed like Luke was too committed to his position rather than taking a step back and starting over. Or is that too simplistic?
I just think the awareness of the situation would have benefitted Luke, just like Van Dee with the Jonesy tilt against Davis, you have to feel that coming.
 
I think McCrone just muscled Luke's head to his knee to hit the cradle, I don't think it was a fundamental mistake. Posters talking about Luke getting caught, nope, that makes it sound like McCrone got lucky. Remember Ed Ruth, he didn't catch people, he used quickness and strength to hit a lot of cradles. Luke is by far the better wrestler.

Lesson learned is Luke has got to quickly get off the bottom. Come tournament time, avoid bottom if at all possible.
No reason for Lilledahl to avoid bottom and give up a chance for the escape point. Against most opponents he's done fine from the bottom position.

McCrone is unusual in that his best position (by far) is top. And if the opponent chooses top (as McCrone did against LL), not much you can do about it. Need to be able to avoid giving up back points, even if it ends up as a 2-minute ride-out. A quick escape is even better, but easier said than done against a guy like McCrone.
 
149 - #2 Shayne Van Ness VS #7 Dylan D'Emilio

Period 1:
Van Ness presses forward off the whistle. D'Emilio circles back to center. Tying up, collar ties, hand fighting & snaps. D'Emilio shoots & gets a leg. Van Ness sprawls back & it's a stalemate & restart. Van Ness presses forward off the whistle. Van Ness shoots & gets a leg. D'Emilio throws in a whizzer & kicks free. Back to circling & tying up in the center of the Resilite. Van Ness drops in on a leg, but they go out of bounds, restart. Circling, hand fighting & tying up, 50-sec left. More of the same, 30-sec left. More of the same to end the period. 0-0

Period 2:
D'Emilio takes down. He gets to his feet & gets the escape, 1-0. D'Emilio shoots & gets to a leg, but Van Ness sprawls back hard & it's another stalemate & restart, 1:22 left. Van Ness presses forward off the whistle. D'Emilio hits a double leg & lifts Van Ness off the mat, but Van Ness keeps working & fights off the TD after D'Emilio brings him back down to the mat. Stalemate & restart, no scoring. More circling, tying up & snapping. Time expires. 1-0 D'Emilio

Period 3:
Van Ness takes down. He gets to a quadpod & gets the escape, 1-1. Van Ness immediately drops in on a leg. D'Emilio fights hard & gets away. Out of bounds & restart. D'Emilio is wrestling well tonight. It's senior night at OSU. Tying up & circling in the center. D'Emilio shoots, Van Ness counters & gets a leg, but D'Emilio is fighting hard. D'Emilio is doing the splits now. Van Ness keeps working & finishes off the TD, 4-1, with 6-sec left. Van Ness rides out D'Emilio to finish the match. D'Emilio got a 2nd point during the match, but I don't know when. The final score is 4-2. Gritty win by Shayne!!!

Shayne Van Ness DEC Dylan D'Emilio 4-2

Team Score

PSU: 9
OSU: 6
Looks like D’Emilio got a 2nd point for locked hands or a singlet grab. Bad camera angle but it appeared the second ref made the call.

Either way great awareness of Shayne. Awesome match by Shayne. A wins a win and having a gritty match going into Big Tens will help him.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT