Great. Don't shoot yourself, and please post to this board where you intend to be at all times. I don't want to be in a radius of 10 miles.
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OT: Guys getting a concealed permit to carry and buying a gun. Any other carry or own a gun?
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This person has absolutely zero clue how many people he comes into contact or walks by every single day who are carrying. Ignorance is bliss.
Which also makes me nervous. If I have to choose take my chances with the terrorists douche.
Gotta love the odds when they put this kid in a situation where he is wearing a full dark mask to limit his vision, a long shirt, big gloves, and then have the "killer" know exactly where he is and that he is armed. Nicely down to prove your point there media.
"Douche". Stay classy there jj.
My point is if you have been out in public for any period of time over the last however many years of your life, you've been around many people carrying guns and you've had zero clue.
Don't worry clown, I know half the population is nuts and many of those are armed. All one has to do is read the newspapers and see how many idiots have accidently killed themselves or others. A gun nut should at least have extensive training in its use, amateurs are just an accident waiting to happen.
Not sure what you think the point is, but here is what I think.
You cannot just buy a gun and get a CCW and expect to stop there.
If you don't want to get yourself killed by the mugger or burglar, you better learn how to and practice handling a gun.
Personally, I own a lot of guns. Most are for hunting, but I also have a Glock. The Glock stays locked up and I would never think of using it (or putting it next to my bed) until I know what the hell I am doing.
Silly me, all this time I thought that my S&W Model 29 aka Dirty Harry gun was a .44 Magnum...
Most of what you said goes without saying. Anyone who owns any type of gun should have extensive practice and understanding of how it works for when they want to use it.
My point was- the video clip that was posted with the kid in the classroom under attack, was just a bit unfair.
Mr. Potter:
I've a CHL permit. I've had it for 4 years now. I got it to increase my proficiency with handguns in the eyes of the law so that should the day come when I'm called before a GJ to explain myself I can point to it as well as my Marine Corps experience. I do not conceal carry. The civil liability is too great. I use my handguns for home defense only. Furthermore, I use fragmenting rounds, such as hollow points, in order to protect my background and mitigate collateral damage (i.e., you don't want a round going through the wall of your neighbor's house). Should you choose to conceal carry I strongly recommend you take an intermediate class on holster draw. They don't teach that in basic CHL instruction. And choose a gun carefully as you're going to be wearing it like an extension of your body. Good luck!
I've a CHL permit. I've had it for 4 years now. I got it to increase my proficiency with handguns in the eyes of the law so that should the day come when I'm called before a GJ to explain myself I can point to it as well as my Marine Corps experience. I do not conceal carry. The civil liability is too great. I use my handguns for home defense only. Furthermore, I use fragmenting rounds, such as hollow points, in order to protect my background and mitigate collateral damage (i.e., you don't want a round going through the wall of your neighbor's house). Should you choose to conceal carry I strongly recommend you take an intermediate class on holster draw. They don't teach that in basic CHL instruction. And choose a gun carefully as you're going to be wearing it like an extension of your body. Good luck!
Why is it that many countries who have much stricter gun laws than the U.S. also,have much lower murder rates?
Actually, you are being a little silly or at least naive.
Lots of gun manufacturers offer multiple calibers within a specific model. For instance, you can get a Remington 870 pump shotgun in 12 gauge, 20 gauge, etc. and a Winchester model 70 rifle in dozens of calibers. Its like cars models having multiple engine options. Some companies, Glock for example, give each caliber a different model number though. Your Smith and Wesson and mine are apparently the same model, but different calibers. This was my dad's gun, which I inherited, and he chose .357 Mag as opposed to .44 Mag.
Dan, before you start telling others that they are being silly or at least naive, you better go look at that 29 because it was only made in 44 magnum. Maybe you mean Model 28 because that is a 357 magnum. So before you start throwing out your thoughts you should a little research or maybe not post things that are so wrong. ALL S&W model handguns are in specific calibers.Model 10 is 38 special, Model 19 is 357 magnum etc. Rifle models are completely different but then we were talking about a S&W Model 29-ALWAYS a 44 magnum (that can also shoot 44 special).
I have many faults, but being too proud to admit when I'm wrong is not one of them. Sorry, you are correct. It is actually a model 19-4. I guess I remembered the model 29 because that is the dirty harry model that everyone knows. Thanks for correcting me.
There's no " best " gun for home defense. And you're not at more risk by using a laser sighted semi auto handgun .
Where do you some of you people get your information?
Choosing a gun for home defense depends on many factors . There's no best. You give me a gun and I'll give you a situation where that gun is a bad idea.
And as for in your house, know your laws but in pa I have no worries about a laser sighted semi, which is my choice for a variety of reasons . Slugs and buckshot are likely to over penetrate more likely than my 9mm hollow points . A round of buckshot is 9 .32 " balls , compared to a 9mm single bullet. And slugs would be an issue with the ballistics there.
Also a long gun isn't my best choice for other reasons such as home lay out and I need two hands to operate it, while my laser sighted / flashlight glock takes one hand if needed.
Where do you some of you people get your information?
Choosing a gun for home defense depends on many factors . There's no best. You give me a gun and I'll give you a situation where that gun is a bad idea.
And as for in your house, know your laws but in pa I have no worries about a laser sighted semi, which is my choice for a variety of reasons . Slugs and buckshot are likely to over penetrate more likely than my 9mm hollow points . A round of buckshot is 9 .32 " balls , compared to a 9mm single bullet. And slugs would be an issue with the ballistics there.
Also a long gun isn't my best choice for other reasons such as home lay out and I need two hands to operate it, while my laser sighted / flashlight glock takes one hand if needed.
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No problem, Dan. Your Model 19 series 4 is a fine revolver and will probably outlast you given just normal care.
The LCP does not come in 9mm, you are confusing it with the Ruger LC9. The LCP is currently selling for $200, not $400
I don't own a gun but don't forget states don't have to honor each others laws so if you are going to carry out of state make sure you are allowed to. NJ has some of the strictest laws in the country and if you get caught with a gun even if you have a permit in Penn. you will be arrested. Just some friendly advise.
All the more reason politicians should knock off being critical of the biggest, and most effective firearms safety training organization.
I just moved to 'bama for work and there is a really great shooting range nearby. Would like to go to range without renting a gun. The range does not store guns so I would have it at my home. Apparently - it makes sense to get the CCW regardless.
Yes it does, it can argued that you need the permit just to transport the handgun to the shooting range. Getting the permit may solve some problems before they become problems. It doesn't mean you have to carry. As far as storage at your home, invest a little money in getting yourself a bio-metric handgun safe and storing the safe in a location not accessible by children. A good one will store multiple fingerprints so that more than one person can access it, you control that. Your size, your hand size, your intent all play a factor in choosing the right caliber and frame size. Semi-auto or revolver. Single action, double action. single/double, slide safety, grip safety, many decisions to make. One big thing you need to make sure of, that you are comfortable shooting the weapon. If you are not you will end up storing it in the safe and never taking it to the range.
According to the World Health Organization, the US is 107th in murder rate. This while being, by far, the nation with the most per capita gun ownership.
No. Transport it in its case -- like you should -- and the case is not concealed, you're fine without a CCP.
There is some good advice here and some....well you know.
I am an NRA instructor and qualified in teaching the basic handgun course. Most instructors have a variety of handguns available and will let you try one. You don't have to have a firearm before taking the course.
The course, when presented properly, is eight hours of classroom and eight hours of range training. It will explain the advantages of revolver vs. pistol and you can make your own choice.
After completing the course you need to practice quite a bit to remain proficient. Shooting, especially a handgun is a perishable skill. Also know the game Commission laws in your state as they can differ from handgun laws so carrying a rifle/shotgun in your vehicle can get you in trouble with the game commission.
Watch out for "for profit" trainers who are in it for the money. A good basic NRA course should cost in the neighborhood of $75 to $100 for the entire course, depending upon where you take it (heat light in the winter may make it more expensive than summer when ranges don't have additional expenses.
Good luck and KYPD.
I am an NRA instructor and qualified in teaching the basic handgun course. Most instructors have a variety of handguns available and will let you try one. You don't have to have a firearm before taking the course.
The course, when presented properly, is eight hours of classroom and eight hours of range training. It will explain the advantages of revolver vs. pistol and you can make your own choice.
After completing the course you need to practice quite a bit to remain proficient. Shooting, especially a handgun is a perishable skill. Also know the game Commission laws in your state as they can differ from handgun laws so carrying a rifle/shotgun in your vehicle can get you in trouble with the game commission.
Watch out for "for profit" trainers who are in it for the money. A good basic NRA course should cost in the neighborhood of $75 to $100 for the entire course, depending upon where you take it (heat light in the winter may make it more expensive than summer when ranges don't have additional expenses.
Good luck and KYPD.
Yeah, when someone who's never owned a gun 1) decides to get a handgun; 2) decides he's going to carry that handgun in public; AND 3) feels the desire to announce that he's doing this -- All that does not exactly make me feel good about this person walking amongst me in public with a gun.
I feel a lot better about the people who are private and/or subtle about it.
Overall, I'm in agreement with your posts and the many other rational posts. However when you might have seconds the police are minutes away. These mass shooters scenes are over in less than ten minutes, per FBI reports. Police are also now not waiting and negotiating, because they know these are over quickly. Once there are prepared they need to strike with overwhelming force. Time is of the essence.
The recent 60 minutes report interviewing the chiefs of NYC and Washington D.C police departments on there training and preparedness for these situations is worth viewing. The D.C, chief recommends a citizen firing if they have a weapon, as opposed to waiting for the police. Interesting, in that I don't recall a major city police chief stating this in a public media forum.
I participate with the trauma team doing facial trauma at our Level 2, trauma center(would be Level one if we have surgical residents). Every year gets busier and busier with violence, both blunt and sharp force. Fortunately most instances are secondary to drug deals, and family/known assailant cases. The chances of you getting assaulted are small, but not zero even in bucolic areas of PA.
Carrying is a personal choice. You should gather as much information as possible, and decide whats best for you. If you decide to arm, practice, practice, practice. A laser is not the end all to the situation. For home defense nothing beats a shotgun. Interesting in that even in police situations, only 30% of handguns shots hit the assailant(FBI statistics). One shot stops are at most 60% of the hits(FBI stats). The human body on adrenaline and possibly drugs is a tough animal to incapacitate.
As in medicine, prevention is the best medicine. Avoid late nights in suspect areas. Have a car in good operating condition with AAA and a cell phone. Well lit house, security system and a large dog if your lifestyle allows.
In closing, research, read and practice. Get instruction from an approved firearms instructor(Luckily my brother passed this exam at the PA State Police).
The recent 60 minutes report interviewing the chiefs of NYC and Washington D.C police departments on there training and preparedness for these situations is worth viewing. The D.C, chief recommends a citizen firing if they have a weapon, as opposed to waiting for the police. Interesting, in that I don't recall a major city police chief stating this in a public media forum.
I participate with the trauma team doing facial trauma at our Level 2, trauma center(would be Level one if we have surgical residents). Every year gets busier and busier with violence, both blunt and sharp force. Fortunately most instances are secondary to drug deals, and family/known assailant cases. The chances of you getting assaulted are small, but not zero even in bucolic areas of PA.
Carrying is a personal choice. You should gather as much information as possible, and decide whats best for you. If you decide to arm, practice, practice, practice. A laser is not the end all to the situation. For home defense nothing beats a shotgun. Interesting in that even in police situations, only 30% of handguns shots hit the assailant(FBI statistics). One shot stops are at most 60% of the hits(FBI stats). The human body on adrenaline and possibly drugs is a tough animal to incapacitate.
As in medicine, prevention is the best medicine. Avoid late nights in suspect areas. Have a car in good operating condition with AAA and a cell phone. Well lit house, security system and a large dog if your lifestyle allows.
In closing, research, read and practice. Get instruction from an approved firearms instructor(Luckily my brother passed this exam at the PA State Police).
The Constitution does not guarantee any unlimited rights. Free speech for example does not entitle people to say anything they want, at any time, under any circumstances.
The right to bear arms is granted only in an amendment to the constitution. All amendments, unlike the core body of the Constitution, can be repealed. Its time.
Repeal the Second Amendment!!
The right to bear arms is granted only in an amendment to the constitution. All amendments, unlike the core body of the Constitution, can be repealed. Its time.
Repeal the Second Amendment!!
I'm not sure that's true. I've always understood it to be (and I could be wrong) but you can open carry it legally in PA, but not concealed carry under any circumstances (even in a case) unless you have a CCP. Hmm maybe you can, but the firearm must be unloaded and you must keep the firearm and ammo as far away as possible from each other...
http://pennlago.com/pennsylvania-law-guns-vehicles-proceed-caution/
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Everywhere gun ownership has increased in this Country, crime rate has gone down. The statistics are there, albeit in many different publications. Nobody's repealed the right to educate yourself, so educate yourself and stop listening to your political pundits. It will be liberating.
A great place to begin in his quest for answers. Seems to me after many years here on this board there are quite a few hunters and people (just like me) who hold a concealed carry permit. Why so negative all the time, jj?
I'd much rather have the guy asking a few questions than just going out and buying something and then trying to figure out what to do next. I don't delve into the pro/con 2nd Amendment arguments, it's a waste of time. If I can be of any assistance in helping this guy make a well thought out educated decision then I'm going to offer him my thoughts, based on my knowledge and experience.
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