O'Toole vs. Carr on Feb. 15
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Correct on the "or not, because the point on the mat happened before rear standing was achieved", rear standing has to be first
https://ncaawrestling.arbitersports.com/Groups/107525/Library/files/SRE%20Article%203%201-8-2019.pdf
"The hand touch takedown It is critical to understand that a hand touch takedown requires rear standing neutral control before the hand touches the mat to qualify for this type of takedown. In other words, if there momentary neutral control down on the mat, you cannot apply the hand touch rule, you must wait for control beyond reaction time to award the takedown. See rule 4.2.2 to read the exact language."
"The question in the match we are discussing may be one of whether Paniro was in a rear-standing position when Mauller's hand was touching the mat. He wasn't to me."
That is my view as well, and exactly what I was trying to say. Just to add a bit more nuance, even if he eventually got to rear standing with the hand on the mat, because the hand was down first, Mauller still gets reaction time.
Freshly posted on youtiube (a little over 20 minutes as I write)
The gaining of rear standing position prior to the hand touch criteria being able to be applied is why I believe the Hidlay/Nolf situation was determined to not be a takedown as it was not rear standing and was not beyond reaction time.
Correct. The situation that led me to get more familiar with the rule!
Carr really looked like a Penn State wrestler there. Most impressive.
Even once rear-standing position is established - it is not necessarily a "no reaction time" takedown if a Granby Roll is attempted as rear-standing wrestler attempts a mat return, a hand touches, but one, or both feet, are not touching at the same time (3 points of contact). If hand touches during a Granby, but one or both feet not in contact with the mat, the rear-standing wrestler will need to show control on mat beyond reaction time.
It isn't like he hasn't spent a ton of time in that room.
I echo most people's thoughts on this thread but can I say I REALLY enjoy having a major college wrestling dual during the week instead of having 95% of teams wrestle on Friday and Sunday.
It would be fantastic if we had one Tues, Weds or Thurs dual every week. There's no competition for eyeballs and message board & social media conversation.
Make it happen, college wrestling scheduling deities.
It would be fantastic if we had one Tues, Weds or Thurs dual every week. There's no competition for eyeballs and message board & social media conversation.
Make it happen, college wrestling scheduling deities.
He really countered O'Toole rather well, stayed committed to his shots and rode him like a wet rag.
O'Toole looked clueless on bottom, but then again, I don't imagine he's spent much time there.
I remember having a meet every Tuesday or Wednesday and Saturday in high school. But, high schoolers, especially back then weren't training as intensely as college wrestlers and didn't have college level academics, or overnight/air travel to worry about. Do they still wrestle twice a week in HS?
With that said, it unfortunately, it seems like duals are being de-emphasized to some extent. We're seeing a lot of guys bow out, especially if it's unlikely that the team will lose and they have a clearly less capable opponent, so the individual match offers nothing but a risk of injury which could derail a title shot or MMA deal. This is ironic at a time when there are "seventh year" seniors.
Dual meets are what I think develop a following of the sport because people are attached to schools as fans or alums, so when some star is out, the engagement is diminished.
Coaching in the post NIL, post COVID era must be "challenging"...
This, plus can't imagine the coaches ranking the conference runner-up higher.
Parallel situation: anyone think Parris is seeded higher at nationals when Kerk beats him in the B10 finals?
“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”
― Albert Einstein
The only problem is, I don't think the rule makers can explain it themselves.
ok so when we go to war in the desert, I will call him!!
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