Tengwall drops the mic and shows the guts that the rest of the PSU media lacks. Thank you Landon.
Penn State Wide receivers, Landon Tengwall... Game over. Period.
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He explained why the production disappeared and gave a complete breakdown from 2021 to present. He explained how this affects Drew Allar, and flat out said we need to spend 1.5 million or more on a premier wide receiver in the portal.
Frankly I don't believe they will do a damn thing about it.
Boom.
Now we know why AK was throwing deep on third and shooter late against SMU and Boise. He was trying to get them some confidence and film to show recruits.
Now we know why AK was throwing deep on third and shooter late against SMU and Boise. He was trying to get them some confidence and film to show recruits.
He's right but we got a Julian Fleming. However Allar's 3 yard pass into the back of Nick's right thigh on a 2 yard walk in missed TD...
His Wheel route pass to nowhere on Nick's wide open wheel route that you could have thrown and his inability to throw a ball away are three of many reasons PSU did not advance to the title game. He admits it but somehow you can't. 1 of OSUs Stud WRs would be enough a long with Allar not panicking. But PSU is cheap .. Allar needs to mature and show poise. Allar keeps his cool and executes and PSU beats ND WRs or not.
Maybe the problem is Allar ? Hackenburg was a little like this, however Hackenberg had a horrible offensive line. If you recall he often through a screen pass or short pass like a left-handed autistic kid with cerebral palsy. Did you go loft one 55 yards down field the Allen Robinson and put it right in his hands.
These guys at a certain age have a body and an arm but they might not necessarily have the ability to advance to the highest levels. We think they look like they can, and it's obviously a 5 foot nine kid is never gonna be a major division in quarterback, but if we take all those guys with the great physique that make you think their quarterback there's going to be some that developed better than others.
It could be the mental aspect, it could just be a certain kind of three-dimensional kind of ability that some guys have over the others when it comes to see me entire field. Whatever it is a 17 or 18-year-old kid might not develop or translate into a potential number one NFL draft pick.
These guys at a certain age have a body and an arm but they might not necessarily have the ability to advance to the highest levels. We think they look like they can, and it's obviously a 5 foot nine kid is never gonna be a major division in quarterback, but if we take all those guys with the great physique that make you think their quarterback there's going to be some that developed better than others.
It could be the mental aspect, it could just be a certain kind of three-dimensional kind of ability that some guys have over the others when it comes to see me entire field. Whatever it is a 17 or 18-year-old kid might not develop or translate into a potential number one NFL draft pick.
He also said that even at that amount of money, no top WR will come play for PSU until we prove with lower level guys we’re going to use the WR in the passing game. That’s why we’re loaded at TE because we’ve shown for many years now the TE will play central part in the passing offense and regularly put these guys in the NFL. KLS left PSU and became a productive WR1 in the SEC. Tengwell indicates we similarly have a WR1 on the team in Wallace who would be successful elsewhere. Franklin and AK are going to have to figure this out.
I don’t know. He drops NFL dimes on Warren.
If he doesn’t improve the fundamentals and control his emotions better, he won’t take the next step. I’m obviously glad that it appears as if he’s returning because with him, PSU should have another double digit win season and probably make the playoffs. However, he needs to get better.
I’m an amateur football analyst, but even I can see that he often throws with his weight on his back foot, which causes him to float balls like the two end zone INTs in the Orange Bowl. Also, I would expect a third year starter next season to be able to decipher defenses and check out of plays that won’t work and into plays that will work, and make faster decisions. Finally, he has to settle his emotions; you could see from the beginning on Thursday that he was like on a caffeine high.
Yea, I couldn't believe how out of synch Allar was during the game and looked like he was confused in critical situations. Many of passes were just off
Agree. Allar not only hurt his NFL future with this past game, but he really hurt the ability of PSU to bring in a true #1 WR. He is no longer a huge attraction for a recruit.
As was clear in the clip, the whole thing spirals. The lesson is to never let this sort of thing get started.
What isn't mentioned in this clip, with good reason, is the position coach. Franklin now has to spend on not only the player, but also the coach. It's probably not going to happen, so as an alum/fan, I am right with the QB and WRs -- not confident.
I do think a lot of this got started by Franklin himself. He is so hung up on the "explosive play" stat that he never developed the shorter routes, screens, and dump offs that balance those longer routes and make them more likely to be completed. That part of the passing attack also takes pressure off of the quarterback. I think this is why our QBs ultimately start with the bad footwork even though they never had such a problem before coming to PSU. The mind is on either that one target or the collapsing pocket. No other choices.
I think it was noteworthy that it took Landon Tengwall to actually address this glaring problem. Nobody else has the nuts to say it out loud.
I'm looking at you T Frank, and you Nate, and you Fitz, Hanifan, and almost everyone else.
I'm looking at you T Frank, and you Nate, and you Fitz, Hanifan, and almost everyone else.
And can't hit singleton on a ten yard pass or notice him in the flat or he misses him on a wheel route.
And I've seen Warren drop balls too, everyone makes errors but Allar might have a ceiling that's he's hit.
Explosive plays are 20 yard plays or more. Certain short passes can give you that kind of yardage.
Who died and made Landon Tengwall the end all be all of football analysis? Did I miss something?
The WRs are not good. Yep, got that. Guess what, Allar has significant issues as well. Mentally he can't focus in and gear up for these big games. Instead of rising to the occasion he shrinks. Franklin needs to take some blame for that. From a football standpoint he was poor vs ND. Inaccurate, bad mechanics, slow decision making. No it is not all on the wide receivers. That is ridiculous.
He hits Singleton on a pass that travels like 5 yards and we win. Despite that if he doesn't throw that pick, we still could have won in OT. Although I have my doubts because the way he was playing I can see him throwing one of those wounded ducks into the end zone in OT that gets picked off and this time no PI bail out.
The WRs are not good. Yep, got that. Guess what, Allar has significant issues as well. Mentally he can't focus in and gear up for these big games. Instead of rising to the occasion he shrinks. Franklin needs to take some blame for that. From a football standpoint he was poor vs ND. Inaccurate, bad mechanics, slow decision making. No it is not all on the wide receivers. That is ridiculous.
He hits Singleton on a pass that travels like 5 yards and we win. Despite that if he doesn't throw that pick, we still could have won in OT. Although I have my doubts because the way he was playing I can see him throwing one of those wounded ducks into the end zone in OT that gets picked off and this time no PI bail out.
PSU's downfield passing woes are 3 factors of roughly equal significance: 1) Allar's inconsistent mechanics and trouble with accuracy, which makes him afraid to throw to tight windows. 2) PSU's lack of a true No. 1 receiver -- and lack of size at the receiver position; and 3) Having the nation's best tight end. If it weren't for Warren, Coach K and Allar would have been forced to develop more of a passing game with the wides. Having a player like Warren is a lifeline but it's also kind of a hindrance in a developmental sense.
Next year two of these three things are guaranteed to change. 1) Warren will be gone. 2) Allar will be improved. He might not improve as much as he did from last season to this season but we will see more consistency and more ability to throw from the pocket and just more comfort in general because he's seen just about everything college football defenses can throw at him. 3) And PSU will have some more bodies at wideout -- no guarantee if they'll have a No. 1 but stranger things have happened.
It's funny how a whole lot of Penn State fans only realized the other night that Allar is only sort of an average QB and not a guy who's going to win games for you against top-tier defenses. Some of us have seen it all year. Allar's stretches of trouble throwing the ball and making poor decisions turned a lot of games that should have been comfortable wins into close games. Anyway, he gets points for effort, for leadership. I'm sure he takes responsibility for his mistakes. Playing QB at this level is an incredibly hard thing and he is gradually learning it. Maybe next year the light bulb suddenly switches on.
Next year two of these three things are guaranteed to change. 1) Warren will be gone. 2) Allar will be improved. He might not improve as much as he did from last season to this season but we will see more consistency and more ability to throw from the pocket and just more comfort in general because he's seen just about everything college football defenses can throw at him. 3) And PSU will have some more bodies at wideout -- no guarantee if they'll have a No. 1 but stranger things have happened.
It's funny how a whole lot of Penn State fans only realized the other night that Allar is only sort of an average QB and not a guy who's going to win games for you against top-tier defenses. Some of us have seen it all year. Allar's stretches of trouble throwing the ball and making poor decisions turned a lot of games that should have been comfortable wins into close games. Anyway, he gets points for effort, for leadership. I'm sure he takes responsibility for his mistakes. Playing QB at this level is an incredibly hard thing and he is gradually learning it. Maybe next year the light bulb suddenly switches on.
Next season, even without Warren, he’s going to be playing behind the best o-line that PSU has had probably since 1994 or 1995, and is going to have a great running back corps and really good tight end corps, and what I expect to be an improved receiver corps. Therefore, he should have no excuses; it’s now up to him to figure things out, because he has almost everything that a qb needs.
Agree, we need an elite WR. But in the meantime Allar needed to make the simple passes - and he didn't! And not just passes that the receivers (WR, TE or RB) can catch, which he didn't do to Singleton right at the goal line, but passes that are thrown in such a way that they can get yards after the catch. And do it consistently. Anyway, Allar had a great season, just not a great CFC semifinal.
PS: Regarding the rumors he might go, he definitely needs to come back for another year of seasoning. If not for more game experience and improvements to his mechanics, but to mature a bit. I like a fiery QB, but he comes off as a bit whiny with the refs and some of his reactions on the sideline don't portray a true leader.
PS: Regarding the rumors he might go, he definitely needs to come back for another year of seasoning. If not for more game experience and improvements to his mechanics, but to mature a bit. I like a fiery QB, but he comes off as a bit whiny with the refs and some of his reactions on the sideline don't portray a true leader.
Well im gonna trust him more than just some ryoder guy on a message board lol.
Yes Allar had a bad game. Missed some throws and reads no doubt about it. ND qb also had some bad throws…but his receivers bailed him out on some of them and made tough contested catches to make big plays. “He made a bad pass to Nick omggggg” yes two things can be true, it was a bad pass but Nick still has to catch that. When’s the last time do you remember Wallace making a contested catch bailing Allar out? All I remember is a good thrown ball to him against OSU which he bobbled and ended up getting picked and a dime that he dropped in the back of the end zone against smu or Boise.
Yes Allar needs to work on his mechanics and accuracy. But you know what also helps with your accuracy…is when you have confidence in your receivers. You’re not aiming the ball and thinking you have to get it to only 1 spot or they aren’t catching it. It’s crazy because he looks really good throwing to Warren hmmm I wonder why.
I’m a long time lurker here, barely post but man just have to say…nobody hates psu players more than psu fans lol.
He was sacked once...the narrative of him not throwing the ball away is dumbest of so many dumb arguments
Allar isn't the problem. Never has been
You want him to find his 4th option when he on the run. All QBs miss throws. These arguments are so emotional they don't make any sense.
It’s not a black and white situation; his play in general was a major problem on Thursday. He basically threw three INTs, two of which were in the end zone. He simply did not give this team championship caliber quarterbacking in that game. With that said, I expect him to be really good to great next season.
You can't count plays that don't count. Simple concept. Bad decisions yes but irrelevant to the outcome.
QBs don't always play their best. Leonard turned it over twice...took more sacks but was lucky to have WRs capable. He was great this season and that pick doesn't exist at the end if we don't blow the 24-17 lead. 24 has to be enough to win.
Allar has 2 weaknesses. He has happy feet, which causes his errant throws. He also doesn't throw on his read of IF a receiver is going to come open. He mainly throws to guys when they are already open. That severely limits his options.
Both points are false. "Happy feet" is when someone can't handle pressure. Allar isn't set most of the time as most NFL QBs aren't set all the time. QBs have to be able to throw off the back foot.
We don't ever have anyone open other than Warren so do you think he just never throws the ball? See the perfect ball to Wallace against Ohio State that hit him in the chest then was picked. See the three perfect balls to Evans, Wallace then Warren at the end of the first half against Boise that were ll dropped. You can't throw a contested ball if they can't catch it. He has no problem throw Warren to a spot--that's the only one that typically is where he's supposed to be.
You forgot a few Allar weaknesses.
- takes too many sacks instead of throwing the ball away.
- locks on a single target too often.
- Terrible situational analysis, like the disastrous jump ball interception late in the Oregon game.
- plays timid in big stage games against top teams (a dangerous trend here)
Again, he took ONE sack against ND...ONE
He never lock in on his first target
The play call was to throw a 50/50 ball
He played timid against Oregon?
these posts get dumber and dumber
Check the records. Allar was sacked 19 times this season. Yes, he plays timid and it’s obvious. That jump ball pass against Oregon was a very poorly thrown ball to a WR who was totally locked down. You have your opinion and many others have their opinion.
19 times is NOTHING. It's barely over once a game. And only once against ND which is what I said. Only 20 teams were sacked less than Penn State this year in "per game". Did you watch Texas and Ohio State last year? You know both those QBs were sacked more than him, right? You know Leonard was sacked more than him, right?
Not timid at all.
You can say the jump ball was poorly thrown but that's not what you originally said
Your opinions have to based in reality--not nonsense.
I'm dying at you complaining about 19 sacks in 16 games--you're making my argument for me.
You have missed the point. Many of those 19 sacks were unnecessary and on Allar. Also, that horrendous Oregon interception was not only a poor pass, it was a poor decision to throw that pass to a locked down WR. Coaches can call a play but it is common sense to expect an experienced QB to go to another option if you see your WR is completely locked down. You don’t just force it. This is Allar’s 3rd year with the program. He has got to make better decisions in those types of situations.
You're wrong though--for example, the sack against ND wasn't on him. It's illogical to think the QB is going to throw away every ball. It's not realistic. It's beyond absurd. Do you watch football other than Penn State?
Do you understand that a 50/50 is a pre-snap call when there's man? He did exactly what he was told to do. Sadly, Wallace couldn't make a play on the ball. It was far from a great throw but one that a good WR at least breaks up. No, you always throw that ball if it's called. It's was a jump ball, you get that right?
You're criticizing him when you're just dead wrong and don't understand what you're watching. That's the main problem here and why scouts love him and our fan base thinks he's a problem when, without him, we'd be screwed.
Could not disagree with you more strongly. If a QB clearly sees a defender in the passing lane, or his target is double or tripple covered, or is completely locked down, the QB always has the option to not throw that pass. This is common sense and basic 101 football. Have you ever played football? No coach tells his QB to throw to a WR regardless of the coverage unless it is a Hail Mary, waning seconds end of game/half, or penalty flag situation. What NFL scouts think about Allar’s potential in the future does not mean Allar is without flaws in the college game in the present. Allar is far from a flawless QB. Many fans and posters have made some legitimate points. You don’t have to agree and that’s fine.
...here comes the excuses for Hagans and the receivers.
1. He stinks and needs fired immediately
2. The receivers stink. All of them.
3. 1. And 2. Are the reasons Penn State isn't playing on the 20th.
1. He stinks and needs fired immediately
2. The receivers stink. All of them.
3. 1. And 2. Are the reasons Penn State isn't playing on the 20th.
I agree with Landon that there's a snowball effect where the staff, Allar, and WRs lose confidence in each other. I struggle to believe the WRs are no longer motivated, especially in the big games.
Wallace had a big game vs WVa but couldn't sustain it. Who can forget the TD pass he had in his hands vs OSU that he allowed to be ripped out of his hands for an INT? That was the difference in the game. And it's not the only game where he couldn't make the tough catch. So of course PSU went to Warren more often. But Wallace should have kept his motivation to prove himself, especially in the big games. If not one of the other WRs should have become even more motivated to be the #1 WR.
I sort of disagree that a top WR wouldn't come here for $1.5 million. I understand that he might prefer OSU but there are only a handful of those types of schools. It seems to me that PSU ought to be able to get the 8th, 9th, or 10th ranked WR with Allar back, Warren gone, and a wide open opportunity to be the #1 guy.
It was a designed 50/50 ball. He had the right coverage. Wallace just didn't make a play on it. Everyone has flaws. Allar has flaws. You're just wrong about most of what you're saying. Especially the sacks. He almost never takes a sack. Half of the ones he does take he's moving forward on trying to create. Your two biggest complaints are just dead wrong. Not an opinion.
Sacks before playoffs/Bowls for a sampling of Pro-Style QBs - Drew Allar 12, Quinn Ewers 22, Cam Ward 22, Carson Beck 18, Kyle McCord 24, Curtis Roarke 20, and Will Rogers 18. How many of Drew's 12 sacks were unnecessary? What's your point again?
He trusts Warren. He doesn't trust the WRs to make a play.
