PSU and Cornell to meet in Florida
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So, email just came out and they are charging a $10 ppv fee in addition to your Rokfin subscription to watch this. So, if you do not have Rokfin, you will have to sign up for the Rokfin account (go through the NLWC page on rokfin)and then it will be an extra $10 fee.
@smalls103 is fake news, and needs an editor.
This year, we're bringing back a true dual-style tournament to determine the best teams in the county: Collegiate Wrestling Duals.
This year, we're bringing back a true dual-style tournament to determine the best teams in the county: Collegiate Wrestling Duals.
While I am glad that we get to see some matchup we normally do not see, is anybody else a bit confused that while there are 12 teams in attendance each team is only getting 3 matches total?
That is because this is not actually the National Duals. How can it be when there is not ONE actual champion? I have no problem with the setup, in fact I like it. However, anyone calling this the National Duals is delusional.
A certain coach insisted that teams that face each other in regular season duals would not face each other in Florida. They originally planned to have pool winners face each other in semi- and final matches, but when PSU joined and there was a likelihood that PSU and Iowa would then meet, they changed the format and eliminated a round of matches. So instead of four, everyone now gets three duals.
That's my understanding, at least.
You forgot the part about Cael kicking a puppy on his way out of the meeting.
Watching some of the CKLV matches today, there are serious opportunities for bonus against their upper weights.
I know the transitive property isn’t necessarily the best way to project head to grad results but I think we stack up very favorably on the back half.
I know the transitive property isn’t necessarily the best way to project head to grad results but I think we stack up very favorably on the back half.
You realize that their expected starters at 197 (Darmstadt) and 285 (Fernandes) weren't in Las Vegas, correct? Cornell only sent six starters, and four of them are on the podium.
Cardenas has been their starter the entire year so far.
Loew and Foca are most definitely bonus opportunities. Anyone who gets teched by Taylor Venz is certainly at risk of the same by Aaron Brooks.
Note the word "expected": I expect Darmstadt to be the 197 starter once he's fully recovered from whatever injury he had. Both Foca and Loew are in the 3rd place matches, by the way.
I certainly don't expect Loew to compete well with Brooks. It was years ago, but Starocci didn't bonus Foca when they met. Just sayin'.
Pretty sure Cardenas vs Darmstadt is a toss up and at this point I would think Cardenas keeps the spot. And Andess makes a great point. PSU should win 174, 184, 197, and heavy with some bonus thrown in. Brooks should bonus for sure, Starocci has a good chance to major Foca but I could see it being a regular decision. Kerk can bonus Fernandes. Fernandes is good but I see him at the level of Traub who Kerk teched. Traub is in the finals at CKLV and has beaten a number of ranked guys for reference. I think bonus at 197 would be toughest but Dean is killing people on top so I wouldn’t be surprised if he got bonus as well. What do you see differently?
I find it remarkable how many people are "pretty sure" about what is going on in the Big Red wrestling room. On what do you base your view of 197?
Darmstadt is a nightmare for just about everyone, because of his length. Dean has some advantage over others, because he'd probably rolled around with him quite a bit before
I hope he and Fernandes are healthy enough for National Duals; they are fun to watch. I wouldn't be surprised at all if PSU wins all four bouts, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Cornell wins one or two.
Let's hope both teams are at full strength in two weeks!
Foca lost to Starocci during their RS season, 10-3.
Starocci has since gone on to win an NCAA title, beat Jason Nolf to make the national team, be the practice partner for an Olympic bronze medalist and is, per the PSU coaching staff, the most improved wrestler in the room.
I’m comfortable saying that there is a significant potential for bonus points in that matchup.
Starocci has since gone on to win an NCAA title, beat Jason Nolf to make the national team, be the practice partner for an Olympic bronze medalist and is, per the PSU coaching staff, the most improved wrestler in the room.
I’m comfortable saying that there is a significant potential for bonus points in that matchup.
We all got emails from Mark Grey.
1. Mark Grey -> Us
2. Mark Grey -> you -> Us
I’m going with #1 as more reliable.
Pretty sure-not ok but expected is just fine. Come on now. I’m giving you my opinion while you are giving yours. They just differ which is why I asked how you see it differently. Which matches do you see Cornell winning out of those 4? You said you wouldn’t be surprised if they won 1 or 2.
And I base my view of 197 on Cornell from watching matches and injury history. Darmstadt is very good but has an extensive history of getting hurt. Cardenas has looked good this year with his only loss being 3-2 to Louie Deprez before CKLV. Darmstadt lost to Deprez last year 7-2 as well for a head to head reference. The big thing for me though is that Darmstadt hasn’t been able to stay healthy and because of it I think Cardenas will keep the spot
It was the assuredness of your opinion that I was asking about. We have our opinions, of course, but I state mine as my opinion, not as something I'm sure about.
If Darmstadt is healthy, I can see him beating Dean. If Fernandes is healthy, I can see him giving Kerk a run for his money. Fernandes does stuff that most heavies don't do, and he's really quick. He's not likely to beat Kerk, but he's got a chance (he did pin Slavikouski a few years ago).
Darmstadt was 34-4 his freshman year. He fractured his spine at or just before NCAAs, and medical shirted the next year. The following year he was 28-6 (including like 14-2 at 197), missing only one weekend after falling into the stands while beating someone. Is that what you'd call an extensive history of getting hurt? I can't recall any other injuries he's sustained that kept him out of competition. Feel free to correct my failing memory.
Oh, Darmstadt lost to Deprez two years ago when he tried, with terrible results, to go 184.
I know its fashionable to hate on the big red here - heck I did so extensively a couple of years ago after witnessing a boorish display from their staff in person - but I tend to lean @NothingMeaningful way on this one. If Darmstadt is healthy, I'm not saying he's the favorite but he is capable of beating almost anyone at 197. Jacob is no slouch either and Dean getting bonus would not be my expectation. It may happen - kind of like Bo getting a couple of bonuses against MM over his career - but I'm not counting on it.
And Fernandez is an AA this year I think. I don't think he's beating Kerk but he will be tough.
Starocci bonusing Foca is a coin flip. CStar is much better but Foca is good enough to bleed time if just not getting bonused is his goal. AB will tune up Loew no matter what.
PSU plus 7 to plus 14 is what I see as realistic for these four matches.
And Fernandez is an AA this year I think. I don't think he's beating Kerk but he will be tough.
Starocci bonusing Foca is a coin flip. CStar is much better but Foca is good enough to bleed time if just not getting bonused is his goal. AB will tune up Loew no matter what.
PSU plus 7 to plus 14 is what I see as realistic for these four matches.
I'm with you on all of this except Fernandes on the podium this year.
Not that I don't like him -- I do, and think he could well be a multi-AA. But HWT is insane this year -- 5 AA locks + 4 returning AAs + 2 returning R12s.
Essentially Fernandes would have to finish top 3 out of Wood, Hillger, Orndorff, Stencel, Traxler, Elam, and whoever else. Maybe he does but odds are against him. He's probably also in line to get seeded in the 12-20 range that draws the top 5 guys in round 2.
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Starocci majored Foca in the stare down. Just sayin’.
I heard the PPV was going to be $10, and only available to members. You’ll have to add in a month of Rokfin membership to though, for another $10.
If you are too cheap to get a continuous rokfin subscription, $10 will get you 30 days worth.
Remember a decent portion of this goes right to PSU/NLWC, unlike Flo.
Could be--that's what happened w/ the Journeyman Duals. But I missed it for this event if it was announced.
Just checked the site, it is a PPV fee even if subscribed:
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Cardenas is a stud. Thought he would be going to stanford with his brother. Pretty surprising he’s wrestling for him but he’s definitely talented.
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