You don't know that. What I do know is that the staff has a very keen eye for talent, and has said that you have to win the starting job if you want to be a champion. Apparently Ryder was unsure of his ability to win the starting job.
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I hate this move. I don’t get why we would entertain Welch in the first place and disrupt the good vibes
What is that based on?
I tend to lean toward Ryder too. But that's just my bias for PSU recruits.
Is that an eye test thing? Transitive property?
Sucks. I thought Ryder would embrace the challenge. I just hope this doesn’t trickle down to Duke another KD guy
I'd say the gloves were off when Cael recruited Welsh, considering he didn't need him at all.
Obviously very disappointing. But how do you question the coaching staff with their track record?
Who was that bordo guy that posted “not a fan of this” when the Rocco rumor was being floated?
Maybe he wanted to go 174 all along. Maybe that's more in line with his goals. Hamiti is done. Cael is all about helping each reach the goals they set for themselves. I assume the best. Ryder is leaving on the best of terms. Hell, Cael could've even called DT with a heads up.
I feel the same way. I think Ryder is better but Ryder didn't necessarily believe Ryder was better. Isn't that the bottom line to this move. Cael is very communicative on these things, so his leaving is solely based on his thinking as to whether he could win a wrestleoff. This is his answer. No?
Somewhat similar to when Max Dean came to Penn State and Beard transferred. Beard even beat Max subsequently, but never won a Natty, and was beaten soundly twice by Barr this year.
You hate to lose a great prospect like Zach, but he may have been on his way to OSU already. Either way, life goes on and the dynasty continues.
You hate to lose a great prospect like Zach, but he may have been on his way to OSU already. Either way, life goes on and the dynasty continues.
Both are good wrestlers with both having a damn fine body of work. Who is better? We may not know until the end of next season. I would assume DT is in the mix for ZR's next stop.
Welsh said he talked to Ryder about it and I was left with the impression Ryder was part of the positive response he got from the guys he talked to.
I really can’t stand the transfer portal. Makes me sick
Why would it? Cael and staff know what they are doing… name me a time when a guy left and came back to beat the Nits??? Suriano, sure but that was a mess to begin with. Cael plays chess. This was probably in the works and the Nits were shopping.
That won't happen. Ryder quit training with KD after he made a cadet world team. No worries of that happening
Under that theory, we ahould tell Levi to hit the bricks. 1 yr < 4 yrs.
Or, crazy idea: we trust the coaches.
“ I like our guys “. Just my opinion: but how many “top guys” do we need? It’s not like we need more points to win the NC. I really like seeing guys develop in the room. Ugh!
One is running toward competition, the other is running away.
I'll take the former.
I wonder if this is the potential 'Suriano' situation Dice mentioned?
I'll take the former.
I wonder if this is the potential 'Suriano' situation Dice mentioned?
It sounds like Duke and Rocco are boys... so I think it would possibly strengthen a relationship with Duke, not cause harm. That's my guess anyways. One thing it shows is Ryder didn't want to battle... maybe that's a sign?
Some people just love mega drama narratives, I guess.
It doesn’t make sense Ryder would portal based solely on the Welch transfer.
Maybe Barr comes back down? Or maybe there’s other factors behind the scenes?
Maybe Barr comes back down? Or maybe there’s other factors behind the scenes?
In his Basch interview he said he talked to PJ not Ryder. Where did he say he talked to Ryder?
I don't understand how this would become a locker room wide problem. All these guys have to know that recruiting never stops, at any weight.
"Presumed starters" are few and far between. Just looking at the recent recruiting classes makes it clear that everyone is going to have beat out an AA level guy just to make the lineup.
I don't begrudge anyone who decides to move on. But that's their decision. I don't know how someone could leave angry from a situation they knew they were walking into.
I thought i heard him say "Zach". Of course i may not have, just thought so.
If that were the case why didnt he leave last year? This is Welsh related.
Why, their is finally some money in college wrestling. Win win
I want guys that run to a fight , not run away from it, Bye Felicia !!!!
I mean, we can say this til we’re blue in the face but these are also human beings. Also you commit to a school with a general idea of what the line will look like for 2-3 years.
I don’t think Ryder got screwed or anything, but I totally understand why he’d be annoyed and why it could potentially create some disharmony.
Simplest answer, Hamiti was at 174 @Ok St, assuming that's Ryder's destination, so one more year in the best room redshirting.
Before Rocco, he could have been more willing to go 184. And all this assumes Josh isn't deciding to drop to 184 so Connor can man 197.
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I thought Rocco said he had talked with Duke about it, which seemed a little odd since Zach was the one more likely to be impacted by this.
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