PSU hater Klatt has us falling to 8th ..
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Imagine the future ramifications of this. Teams will schedule their big rivalries before the last game of the regular season and all sorts of "interesting" things will take place that final week.
There’s nothing tricky about it. Penn state is in big ten championship and Ohio state is not. They aren’t going to punish them for extra game loss.
All this shit doesn’t matter
Penn State 27 - Oregon 13
Penn State 27 - Oregon 13
If O loses, they are not 3 which is what you said. They may be ranked third, but they wouldn’t be seeded third.
Just stop...... duhO$U LOST TO A 5-LOSS TEAM AT TIME OF PLAY and finished 4th in the Conference. No way they deserve to jump either CCG participant.
you are right...but we'd get the top 4 seed as B1G champion. O would probably fall and host a home game but would end up the 5th seed above the two-loss teams.
They also beat 2 playoff teams. Our best win is Illinois. Their resume would be far better.
I don't believe that or they'd be ranked above us now. They lost to two teams in 12 games. We lost 1. At the same time, ranking them over us would suggest that the SOS for not playing is higher than us playing the #1 team in the nation.
They already played that #1 team in the nation. They also played Indiana. Their schedule was far tougher than ours. I'm not arguing in favor of Ohio State. I hate them. It's just a fact.
Lost to a team that finished 7th in the MAC. We don't have that accomplishment on our resume. When you bring ND into this argument, all the "you haven't played anybody " arguments go out the window.
Yep...and lost.
But if they agreed with you why are they ranked lower than us? That logic would suggest playing a 13th game, against the #1 team in the nation, is less strenuous than not playing a 13th game at all.
According to ESPN, who is using SOR (strength of record) we are 4 while tOSU is #6.
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I cant help but think ND jumps PSU if PSU loses. I think the committee will see win % slightly in favor of ND. But PSU would still be slightly ahead of other 2 loss teams by win % at 11-2 compared to 10-2 so PSU wouldn't fall behind OSU, Tenn, and others. I know the committee isn't the same as the AP or coaches poll, but ND is VERY close to PSU in the rankings right now.
I don't disagree but if the issue is SOS, how can PSU be rated ABOVE ND now and be penalized for playing the #1 team in the nation more than the team that didn't play at all? Is nothing better than playing the best team in the country?
Or teams will sit out of the CCG. Why not hold onto the seed you have?
There is already talk about ticket sales for some of the conference championship games being poor. But I do like that a couple of the CCG's will effectively be elimination games in the MWC, Big 12, and ACC. The trick is how to make the BIG and SEC CCG's meaningful as well. The CFP committee probably needs to fix the seeding of the playoffs by reseeding after the first round. This would provide added incentive for teams in the BIG and SEC to win their CCG. The way things are right now, it might be better to hold the 5 seed than the 1 seed.
I'll bet that they eliminate CCG games next year or soon. Honestly, I don't see the value in PSU playing. If we lose a key player to injury, all hell will break loose. GA and TX are in the same boat. If Ewers or Beck get hurt, people are going to start to ask questions and player's agents are going to advise players, in the future, who are first-rounders, to sit out.
This game has no more value than the Peach Bowl did last year. Perhaps less if a few kids get banged up enough to miss the first playoff game. At least with the peach bowl, you had months to heal before spring ball.
Why aren't we #8 now then? That is where the logic breaks down for me. We are #3 and are one of the two best teams in the conference. So we lose a game that is a championship game reward type game against the #1 team and they would all turn around and say you really are a fraud so now you drop to #8 behind all these teams that could not make their championship game or didn't play in one.? Think about how much of a reach that is. The only way this is even remotely possible is if we get completely embarrassed and that won't happen.
In the case of OSU, think about how ridiculous this would be to justify. When last seen, OSU had lost to an average Michigan team at home. That loss had consequences like not going to the B10 championship game. Yet we are now going to reward OSU for not having earned that right to play for the B10 title by penalizing Penn State for earning the right to play in said title game. They will not penalize us for losing the ccg. We are no worse than 6th come Sunday. Stop with the sky is falling gloom and doom.
Agreed. the logic would have to be that losing to the #1 ranked and undefeated team in the nation is somehow worse than not playing a game at all.
is that the message that they want to send to CCG teams? If so, it would have been better for tOSU to throw the Michigan game and Indy to throw the tOSU game. Nobody will want to play a CCG. A CCG game is worse than not playing at all.
They have a much worse loss because of Meatchicken kicking their butt at home. You don't get it. The reason we are playing on Saturday and not OSU is we are ranked higher. We are forced to play this game because we are ranked higher than OSU. A loss to the #1 team will do nothing to change the fact that we are ahead of OSU. The logic you are using would mean OSU should be higher than us now. You can keep on fretting though.
As far as the head to head issue, if Bama had not lost to Okie they would be ranked higher than Tennessee and Tennesse beat them. Both would have two losses. That was the case prior to Bama losing to Okie. This case is even more in our favor since it woukd be a championship game loss.
SMU will absolutely be penalized if they lose so I'm not sure I understand the logic that teams can be penalized. It's a data point. As long as we don't get blown out we're likely no worse than 6th but I think everyone is believing misinformation regarding teams can't be jumped. The head of the committee fully acknowledged Bama can jump SMU if SMU loses and we all know they will.
Well….factually A&M isn’t ranked so that win isn’t as good as PSU beating #21 Illinois nor is beating Army. Even if we lose and have two losses I can’t figure why they stay ahead of PSU with that ridiculous loss. Ridiculous.
That’s not really what he meant. He meant Bama cannot jump ahead of teams that also do not play. Bama cannot jump ahead of Indiana, for example.
Right--but that's not what was said here which is why it turned into we can't fall behind ND which was not said
Correct. And there is the rub and the corner they’ve painted them into by giving so much grace to a team that lost to a bad Mac team. . If they decide ND would go ahead of us, then we are in direct comparison with OSU among others and despite losing to UM they will consider H2H.
We will see. 🤷🏻♂️
The SMU situation is different. They are not respected as much as us by where they are ranked. We have one loss and are 2nd. They have one loss and are 8th. I think a big sos disparity vs Bama. Big difference. They have Alabama breathing down their neck from what the committee (and rightly so) judges to be a far superior conference to the ACC. PSU and OSU are from the same conference so the team that is in the ccg has the advantage versus the team that is not. Remember we didn't get to the Rose Bowl after 2019 I believe it was and they took Wisky who lost big in the CCG. Same kind of thing here. With all that said I think there is a 50 50 chance SMU holds at 11 (Bama out) with a loss as long as the game vs Clemson is close.
As for ND jumping us. That is a joke and never happening. It would have had to happen last week and did not.
As for ND jumping us. That is a joke and never happening. It would have had to happen last week and did not.
I don't think ND should or will jump us but we need to accept that's a possibility if things don't go well Saturday
Here's where I think you're off. If we lose on Saturday, our record will be 11-2. OSU is 10-2. We may have the same number in the loss column, but we won one more game than they did. Thus we have the better record.
Objectively, both PSU and IU lost to OSU and didn't play Oregon. Before they screwed the pooch against the skunk bears, they deserved to be seeded higher than us. Not any more.
Win or lose, we should be seeded higher.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Respectfully, if you dig a little deeper and look at the opponents in the 32 wins and the opponents in the six losses, an obvious trend punches you in the face that supports the criticism you think is unfair.
PSU wins in games in which they are more talented. The coaching never seems to be a plus up to give PSU a chance against teams of same, nominally better teams
Dare I say, in 1986, James Franklin would have never beaten Miami in the fiesta bowl. It pains me to say it, and I keep saying I hope he figures it out, but, it's the obvious truth for anyone being honest
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People just need to accept that the committee can and will move goalposts to justify placements. Everything is vague enough to allow them to do so. We shouldn't drop below 5/6 depending on the outcome of the SECCG but if it gets ugly against Oregon or theres a major injury, they'll put us wherever they want to put us and cite that as the reason why. Only way to control our destiny.
If we had lost to Illinois, they’d be 10-2 and in the playoff discussion (probably would be making the playoffs). And you’d be complaining that we never beat teams like that.
But instead we beat them.
Side note, but worth saying.....
At this point, the way I know I made a solid point is when knickslion and Hawkeyebrokenglasses click the laugh emoji. 💪
That doesn't sound like me, but okay.
If you think beating Illinois has anything to do with playing well against teams with same/similar talent levels, there isn't much to talk about. Also, neither knickslion nor hackneybrokeneyelash laugh emojied your post, so we know its off base. Sorry
