PSU hater Klatt has us falling to 8th ..

[LandoComando]

Playoff needs to go to 16 teams, no CCGs

I'm in--and there should be 5 auto-bids but it shouldn't impact seeding

16 Iowa State at 1 Oregon
9 SMU at 8 Indiana

15 Arizona State at 2 Texas
10 Boise State at 7 Tennessee

14 South Carolina at 3 Penn State (we get the worst quarter)
11 Alabama at Ohio State

13 Ole Miss at 5 Notre Dame
12 Miami at 4 Georgia

I do think the ranking would be slightly different but the above happening this weekend would be amazing

 

[AWS1022]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Respectfully, if you dig a little deeper and look at the opponents in the 32 wins and the opponents in the six losses, an obvious trend punches you in the face that supports the criticism you think is unfair.

PSU wins in games in which they are more talented. The coaching never seems to be a plus up to give PSU a chance against teams of same, nominally better teams

Dare I say, in 1986, James Franklin would have never beaten Miami in the fiesta bowl. It pains me to say it, and I keep saying I hope he figures it out, but, it's the obvious truth for anyone being honest

I guess the same could be said about Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Ryan Day….pretty good company.

 

[Ward Hog]

If we lose by 50 they're still giving us a home game. Revenue from 110k. There's no one else in the tournament that can do that. Every effort will be made to have 5 - 8 be blueblood programs with big stadiums. ND, us, OSU or TN & GA or Texas. That's 420k fans.

 

[LandoComando]

If we lose by 50 they're still giving us a home game. Revenue from 110k. There's no one else in the tournament that can do that. Every effort will be made to have 5 - 8 be blueblood programs with big stadiums. ND, us, OSU or TN & GA or Texas. That's 420k fans.

So, using this logic they need us to lose Saturday

 

[bdroc]

Sorry I didn't get the link, but notorious hater Klatt has PSU losing to Oregon and falling all the way down to EIGHT, hosting Tennessee in the first round. Pathetic.

He's only a pathetic hater if he turns out to be wrong.

 

[Kasparaitis]

That doesn't sound like me, but okay.
If you think beating Illinois has anything to do with playing well against teams with same/similar talent levels, there isn't much to talk about. Also, neither knickslion nor hackneybrokeneyelash laugh emojied your post, so we know its off base. Sorry

If there isn’t much to talk about how about quit talking about it?

 

[bdroc]

All this shit doesn’t matter

Penn State 27 - Oregon 13

It would be amazing to hold Oregon to 13 pts. Gabriel is a Heisman front runner and he has great WRs.

I worry that our DBs could get beat for big plays if/when they blitz.

It would be nice if we could score on defense.

 

[knickslions]

It would be amazing to hold Oregon to 13 pts. Gabriel is a Heisman front runner and he has great WRs.

I worry that our DBs could get beat for big plays if/when they blitz.

It would be nice if we could score on defense.

They only scored 16 vrs Wisconsin

 

[heckmans]

I guess the same could be said about Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, and Ryan Day….pretty good company.

Ah yes, the guy who says that the FB coaching staff is beyond criticism because they make more than anyone on this board, thinks that JFs performance against peer teams is comparable to Saban, Smart, and Day. 🙄

You win dumbest post of the day. Congrats!

 

[heckmans]

If there isn’t much to talk about how about quit talking about it?

You're not even part of the conversation, but yet, here you are 🤷🤷

 

[bdroc]

They only scored 16 vrs Wisconsin

That's why they play the games

 

[doctornick]

They only scored 16 vrs Wisconsin

They also only scored 24 vs 1-AA Idaho

 

[psuno1]

Klatt has spent too much time sitting next to Gus Johnson.

Klatt has spent too much time sitting next to Gus Johnson.

Just ask Klatt where he thinks Colorado will be seeded in the playoff that will shut him up.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Why aren't we #8 now then? That is where the logic breaks down for me. We are #3 and are one of the two best teams in the conference. So we lose a game that is a championship game reward type game against the #1 team and they would all turn around and say you really are a fraud so now you drop to #8 behind all these teams that could not make their championship game or didn't play in one.? Think about how much of a reach that is. The only way this is even remotely possible is if we get completely embarrassed and that won't happen.

In the case of OSU, think about how ridiculous this would be to justify. When last seen, OSU had lost to an average Michigan team at home. That loss had consequences like not going to the B10 championship game. Yet we are now going to reward OSU for not having earned that right to play for the B10 title by penalizing Penn State for earning the right to play in said title game. They will not penalize us for losing the ccg. We are no worse than 6th come Sunday. Stop with the sky is falling gloom and doom.

Penn State is currently #6 in the Massey Computer Composite Rankings, behind OSU (#5) and Georgia (#3). Amazing that it came up with this even though OSU lost to a mediocre Michigan team at home. How could the committee come up with #3 for PSU?

The "logic breaks down" in a human poll because a committee can't do all of the calculations needed to integrate all of the disparity among schedules and conferences.

The Committee is supposed to seed the "best" teams with some deference to Conference champions, but no one can rigorously define what "best" means. Best season, team, or some combination? What's the definition?

Consider PSU on a neutral field, with rest and time to prepare, against each of the contenders for the top dozen spots. Would PSU be favored in all but 3, 6, or more? I'm going with at least a half dozen, because PSU's current #3 rank is being weighted more by "season" than it is by "team."

I think we should have no complaints until we show that we are competitive against perennial Top 10 teams. In those games we have been abysmal. Win half of those games, as a Top 10 team should, and the sky is not doom and gloom.

Until then it is silly to get tied up in knots over whether some committee puts us at #3 or #8. We're going down at some point long before the NC final game. That is what history predicts. That is being realistic.

[Now, have I provided enough bulletin board material yet?]

 

[johnmpsu]

None of this debate would be necessary or even happening if there were predetermined rules for making the playoff instead of depending on a bunch of people in a locked room. All of them bring their own personal biases to the vote.

In the end the votes will reflect what they believe will generate the most interest aka money.

 

[olelion]

not saying Klatt is right or wrong, but members of the selection committee have said on more that one occasion that losers in their championship games would not be "punished" in the seedings for the playoffs - not that I believe them either. If we fall to 8th, we'd have been better off not going to the championship.

It's kind of funny how we moved all the debating about standings/seedings when it was a 4 team playoff to debating the standings/seedings in a 12 team playoff.

Joel Klatt is a gasbag with lots of data that include seeing/broadcasting some games and watching highlights. He has seen both Oregon and PSU against OSU. That, my friends, has formed his opinion of PSU. Too many people cling to his every word as well as those of Josh Pate. They are the new media darlings.

I have watched all of PSU games and have seen them look both great as well as pedestrian. There are some warts.
On the other hand, my knowledge of Oregon is based on seeing one complete game (OSU) and a bunch of highlights. I have read that their game against Wiscy showed their mettle on the road in a tough environment. I also read where PSU "struggled" against a so so Minny team on the road. What I saw in that game was PSU owning the last six minutes when they had to against a very good, well coached team on the road in a hostile environment.
I get the love for Oregon but we'll see.

 

[bdroc]

They also only scored 24 vs 1-AA Idaho

I discount that early season game just like I discount PSU's narrow win over BGSU.

 

[bvillebaron]

Are you aware that Penn State and Ohio State played each other?

I am and they lost by a TD. Are you aware that OSU lost at home for the 4th straight year to a mediocre Michigan team when OSU was a huge favorite? By your logic this makes Oklahoma better than Alabama.

 

[bvillebaron]

what gets tricky is that both PSU and Ohio State would have two losses each then...OSU wins the head to head..but who has a worse "loss" ? Us losing to the #1 and #2? at the time teams ? or OSU losing to #1 and..unranked rival in Michigan ?

There is nothing tricky about it. Penn State and OSU will have lost to the same Oregon team and Penn State will have lost to the then #2 team which is still ranked 6th while OSU’s other loss is to a mediocre Michigan team. I guess you think Alabama is better than Georgia too.

 

[LandoComando]

None of this debate would be necessary or even happening if there were predetermined rules for making the playoff instead of depending on a bunch of people in a locked room. All of them bring their own personal biases to the vote.

In the end the votes will reflect what they believe will generate the most interest aka money.

Thats not true. Indiana would be out.

 

[LandoComando]

There is nothing tricky about it. Penn State and OSU will have lost to the same Oregon team and Penn State will have lost to the then #2 team which is still ranked 6th while OSU’s other loss is to a mediocre Michigan team. I guess you think Alabama is better than Georgia too.

Georgia has a SOS of 1 which is the difference in these comparisons
H2H is just one data point.

 

[wilbury]

The bottom line is that PSU hasn't beaten a top team this year, nearly lost several games it was expected to win handily, and has a well-established history of failure in big games. We usually come into games looking rather unprepared.

PSU still comes with a 20th Century Legacy, huge stadium, and large national alumni base. Ratings. Other than these irrelevant positives we are the Indiana of our conference -- a very good record but not much more. So, why should we be surprised when those without a PSU bias treat us like we are Indiana? We are the ones with that legacy in mind. Not them.

It's time to show that we are better. When that happens I will be as excited as anyone. But until then, I will be with the #8 camp.

Same number of Natty's over the past 50 years as OSU

 

[Texas Lion]

The committee is coming dangerously close to making the conference championships not matter jut like the regular season. If a loss in the title game hurts you, then why accept to go play?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I'm in--and there should be 5 auto-bids but it shouldn't impact seeding

16 Iowa State at 1 Oregon
9 SMU at 8 Indiana

15 Arizona State at 2 Texas
10 Boise State at 7 Tennessee

14 South Carolina at 3 Penn State (we get the worst quarter)
11 Alabama at Ohio State

13 Ole Miss at 5 Notre Dame
12 Miami at 4 Georgia

I do think the ranking would be slightly different but the above happening this weekend would be amazing

Or even if they keep the current 12-Team Playoff (i.e., 1st Round Byes for top 4 seeds), they could keep the 5 highest ranked Conference Champion Autobids, but eliminate the need to be a Conference Champion to have a top 4 seed (they could create another rule which states that no team can be seeded higher than their specific conference's champion.... iow, a team can be ranked higher than a different Conference's Champion, just not their own Conference's Champion.

 

[Obliviax]

The committee is coming dangerously close to making the conference championships not matter jut like the regular season. If a loss in the title game hurts you, then why accept to go play?

Agreed. I honestly don't see the value.

Years ago, conferences were small enough that they all played each other and whomever had the best record won.

As conferences consolidated to negotiate better TV contracts, they got too big so they needed the conference championship to determine the winner. Including who would play in the new years day, big, bowls.

Then we got the four-team playoff. The big conferences needed a clear champion to qualify and not get left in the cold. (although they took tOSU over PSU when we won the championship if the B1G which tells you all you need to know about the B1G)

Now we have a 12 team playoff where every good team qualifies. If you want to qualify, win your games. You don't have to go undefeated. As such, the big CCG participants will BOTH make the playoff. Now we have a problem where the loser of the CCG will end up having to play more games to win a Natty than second tier teams. And with the nature of football, those games take a toll. In the regular season, schedulers pack easy games in amount the hard ones. It is very possible PSU ends the season by playing #1 Oregon, ASU, #4 Boise, #1 Oregon, #2 TX to finish the year (17 games in total)

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

The committee is coming dangerously close to making the conference championships not matter jut like the regular season. If a loss in the title game hurts you, then why accept to go play?

Or leave it to the Conference to decide.... if all participants are happy with their pre-CCG they should have the right to waive/suspend the Conference Championship Game.

 

[Obliviax]

Or leave it to the Conference to decide.... if all participants are happy with their pre-CCG they should have the right to waive/suspend the Conference Championship Game.

Well, I like that idea. But I fear the B1G would have put in tOSU and Michigan this year. And every year.

 

[summitlion1]

They also beat 2 playoff teams. Our best win is Illinois. Their resume would be far better.

They also lost to a bad Muchigan team. That's not a resume builder.

 

[summitlion1]

He's only a pathetic hater if he turns out to be wrong.

No, he's a hater regardless. He NEVER picks Penn State in any game.

 

[AWS1022]

Ah yes, the guy who says that the FB coaching staff is beyond criticism because they make more than anyone on this board, thinks that JFs performance against peer teams is comparable to Daban, Smart, and Day. 🙄

You win dumbest post of the day. Congrats!

Your post said that Franklin only wins against teams with less talent….since Smart, Day, and Saban all have more talent than anyone else, I guess you could say they only beat teams with less talent….do you follow or do I need to type slower. And I’m still waiting for you to show me a post where I said you couldn’t criticize Franklin because he makes more money….he makes more money because he knows way more than you do and if you want to criticize someone who knows way more than you, then you look like the idiot, not him.

 

[Obliviax]

Your post said that Franklin only wins against teams with less talent….since Smart, Day, and Saban all have more talent than anyone else, I guess you could say they only beat teams with less talent….do you follow or do I need to type slower. And I’m still waiting for you to show me a post where I said you couldn’t criticize Franklin because he makes more money….he makes more money because he knows way more than you do and if you want to criticize someone who knows way more than you, then you look like the idiot, not him.

Great point. I think there are two things to consider.

The first is whether the portal has diluted the SEC. Are they having an "off year" or are they all so good that they are knocking each other off? I see all kinds of kids from the SEC who have portaled out playing for teams like PSU (AJ Harris) and tOSU (two OL starters). it certainly has hurt their depth, no question, so injuries are more impactful.

PSU is not appreciated because we haven't earned it. UM was the same way until they Harbaugh finally turned it around in his later years there. Until we beat a tOSU, Oregon, AL or GA we will continue to be overlooked.

 

[doctornick]

PSU is not appreciated because we haven't earned it. UM was the same way until they Harbaugh finally turned it around in his later years there.

“Turned it around” is an interesting way to frame the situation.

 

[fastlax16]

If we had lost to Illinois, they’d be 10-2 and in the playoff discussion (probably would be making the playoffs). And you’d be complaining that we never beat teams like that.

But instead we beat them.

They’d be in the field ahead of bama, and probably ahead of Indiana (outside of the entanglements around indiana being in the big ten champ game in this reality)

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

They only scored 16 vrs Wisconsin

You are comparing a finesse spread team playing with temperatures in the 30s in the evening (and without star receiver Johnson) versus what it could do in a nice warm dome.

You're also making no adjustment for the time zone problem per the Wisconsin game. I traveled quite a bit during my career and I can say with certainty that jet lag going east is a lot worse than traveling west. Same with the spring-forward versus fall-back time change each year. Losing time in the spring is worse than gaining time in the fall. When time is lost you're struggling to get to sleep early, struggling to wake up early, or both.

Oregon wasn't really tested this year in its eastern games. They had only two moderately challenging games in the East: Michigan and Wisconsin. It was 20 degrees warmer for the Michigan game, which they won by only 14. (Johnson injured during 1st quarter.)

The West Coast teams are adapted to mild weather. The offenses that you tend to see are designed for it.

I see Oregon with a huge advantage in this CCP game with PSU. Their base case strengths are only enhanced by the venue.

If we win this game then I will be on the Franklin bandwagon. I will even serve up crow on Sunday. That said I am really expecting it to be more leftover turkey.

 

[LandoComando]

You are comparing a finesse spread team playing with temperatures in the 30s in the evening (and without star receiver Johnson) versus what it could do in a nice warm dome.

You're also making no adjustment for the time zone problem per the Wisconsin game. I traveled quite a bit during my career and I can say with certainty that jet lag going east is a lot worse than traveling west. Same with the spring-forward versus fall-back time change each year. Losing time in the spring is worse than gaining time in the fall. When time is lost you're struggling to get to sleep early, struggling to wake up early, or both.

Oregon wasn't really tested this year in its eastern games. They had only two moderately challenging games in the East: Michigan and Wisconsin. It was 20 degrees warmer for the Michigan game, which they won by only 14. (Johnson injured during 1st quarter.)

The West Coast teams are adapted to mild weather. The offenses that you tend to see are designed for it.

I see Oregon with a huge advantage in this CCP game with PSU. Their base case strengths are only enhanced by the venue.

If we win this game then I will be on the Franklin bandwagon. I will even serve up crow on Sunday. That said I am really expecting it to be more leftover turkey.

Oregon is still traveling east for a prime time game like Wisconsin. That aspect is a non factor as it's the same. I also don't think the weather was at all a factor.

 

[knickslions]

You are comparing a finesse spread team playing with temperatures in the 30s in the evening (and without star receiver Johnson) versus what it could do in a nice warm dome.

You're also making no adjustment for the time zone problem per the Wisconsin game. I traveled quite a bit during my career and I can say with certainty that jet lag going east is a lot worse than traveling west. Same with the spring-forward versus fall-back time change each year. Losing time in the spring is worse than gaining time in the fall. When time is lost you're struggling to get to sleep early, struggling to wake up early, or both.

Oregon wasn't really tested this year in its eastern games. They had only two moderately challenging games in the East: Michigan and Wisconsin. It was 20 degrees warmer for the Michigan game, which they won by only 14. (Johnson injured during 1st quarter.)

The West Coast teams are adapted to mild weather. The offenses that you tend to see are designed for it.

I see Oregon with a huge advantage in this CCP game with PSU. Their base case strengths are only enhanced by the venue.

If we win this game then I will be on the Franklin bandwagon. I will even serve up crow on Sunday. That said I am really expecting it to be more leftover turkey.

So they will be traveling to eastern time for this game. Penn State may lose but they are way better than that Wisconsin team in any weather.

 

[Nbergbuck]

Sorry I didn't get the link, but notorious hater Klatt has PSU losing to Oregon and falling all the way down to EIGHT, hosting Tennessee in the first round. Pathetic.

Why do you care? Klatt is a talking head who gets paid big bucks to create controversy. This then increases clicks and revenue. His opinion is no more valid than that of anyone else. Good luck against Oregon. keep the B1G title on this side of the Mississippi River.

 

[baircub1!]

There is nothing tricky about it. Penn State and OSU will have lost to the same Oregon team and Penn State will have lost to the then #2 team which is still ranked 6th while OSU’s other loss is to a mediocre Michigan team. I guess you think Alabama is better than Georgia too.

Relax. What’s tricky is that.. with identical records.. we lost to Ohio State.

 

[GregInPitt]

What has Notre Dame done?

Beat up on a bunch of sorry teams and managed to get by USC with the help of 2 pick 6's. ND getting by USC was a real bummer for me as a loss in that game would have exposed the sorry schedule ND plays....

 

[Obliviax]

You are comparing a finesse spread team playing with temperatures in the 30s in the evening (and without star receiver Johnson) versus what it could do in a nice warm dome.

You're also making no adjustment for the time zone problem per the Wisconsin game. I traveled quite a bit during my career and I can say with certainty that jet lag going east is a lot worse than traveling west. Same with the spring-forward versus fall-back time change each year. Losing time in the spring is worse than gaining time in the fall. When time is lost you're struggling to get to sleep early, struggling to wake up early, or both.

Oregon wasn't really tested this year in its eastern games. They had only two moderately challenging games in the East: Michigan and Wisconsin. It was 20 degrees warmer for the Michigan game, which they won by only 14. (Johnson injured during 1st quarter.)

The West Coast teams are adapted to mild weather. The offenses that you tend to see are designed for it.

I see Oregon with a huge advantage in this CCP game with PSU. Their base case strengths are only enhanced by the venue.

If we win this game then I will be on the Franklin bandwagon. I will even serve up crow on Sunday. That said I am really expecting it to be more leftover turkey.

I agree. As I compare the teams I see Oregon and solid all across the board. Their advantage over us is their WRs. On the other hand, they've been susceptible to a good ground game. So I think it will be competitive as long as we don't give up explosive plays to their WRs or turn the ball over.