News flash: PSU is a finesse spread team, and has been since Franklin got here.
PSU hater Klatt has us falling to 8th ..
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So Ohio Stste magically leaps ND this week also? Or ND magically leaps PSU.? Think about the moves they would have to make. What about Georgia and Texas? You need to think through a logical scenario that puts PSU behind OSU and there is not one. They needed to keep OSU ahead of us this week and did not. Why? Their Michigan loss was really bad.
Current projected playoff rankings:
PSU #5
ND #6
Georgia #7
OSU #8
-Penn State loses to Oregon in competitive game.
Texas beats Georgia
The playoff rankings reflect these games. So if Penn State drops to 7 or 8 what would have to happen?
The issue is Georgia and ND. So you are saying Georgia with 3 losses and a loss to Bama would have to drop. So they go out? They go behind Alabama? Only Bama or Georgia could make it with SMU winning. So that is a huge problem in your logic because the only way your head to head logic makes sense is to do the same type of thing to Georgia and knock them totally out. You can't up and knock Indiana or Tennessee out. Why would you do that? Because Georgia lost?
Now ND. Do you just randomly drop them to move up OSU? No, you say and they stay ahead of OSU. But wait. So PSU drops behind ND? How? ND did not play.
You need to think through the moves on a scenario that would put PSU at 8 and logically it makes no sense.
These idiot talking heads just need to drum up content.
I'll say it again. The worst ranking PSU will have on Sunday is #6. Even a blowout loss probably does not affect their ranking to go below 6.
It's the same old story: the standards and arguments change year to year depending on whose ox is being gored.
As things stand, currently 11-1 and 8th-ranked SMU could very easily be penalized by virtue of making its CCG if it loses that game to Clemson, which is a distinct possibility. The Ponies are only slight favorites.
If they do lose, the narrative right now has them being bumped right out of the playoffs in favor of 3-loss Alabama, currently ranked below SMU but not having to risk a loss in a CCG.
Very convenient for the Tide. Of course, it's all justified. Just say the letters SEC and all conversation must stop and knees must bend. It just means more, you see.
Total bullshit. If SMU loses, Alabama should be out...but they won't be. Lando will win his $50 bet with me on the strength of an outrageous injustice. If he were a virtuous person, he would forfeit his hollow victory.
Would LOVE to bet you on that. SMU has to win to be in.
Here is a logical scenario:
PSU loses to Oregon. That puts PSU at 2 losses. OSU has 2 losses. OSU played a harder schedule than PSU. OSU beat PSU.
The only argument that PSU would have over OSU is 11 wins over 10 wins. It's a legit argument. However, PSU's strongest win is over Illinois. Minnesota? Wisconsin? USC? All ok wins, but nothing all that impressive. OSU beat PSU and Indiana, which blows any of PSU's wins out of the water.
Again, with both teams having the same # of losses, one team has better wins, and one team won the head to head matchup. That team, unfortunately, is OSU.
News Flash: A finesse spread team gets a lot more production out of their wide receivers. I see PSU as a team that plays a basic (modern day offense) -- shot gun with loan RB -- with some other stuff mixed in for variety. But it doesn't have a spread identity. In fact this is an offense that seems to lack an identity.
There is a world of difference between the Oregon offense and the PSU offense. Oregon can spread a defense with its receivers and the running threat by its QB. Allar is not the same kind of threat.
Oregon has a much more physical running game than PSU. This is one game where PSU will not have the best running back on the field.
I don't agree. oregon's rushing is almost all from Jordan James who carried the ball 206 times accumulating 1,166 yards. Good player who is 5-10 and 210. That is a 5.7 yard average.
But when you look at PSU we outrushed them and Singleton has a better YPC average. As a team, they average 4.8 YPC and we average 5.1.
Oregon's offense is solid with no weaknesses anywhere. So this isn't to diminish their running game. It is as good as ours. But it is based almost exclusively on one guy. Secondly, Oregon isn't the best at defending the run. They aren't bad, it is just that when they've struggled, it has been against the run.
This is an interesting thread. You'd never guess that the line is just 3 points with all of the discussion here being about what happens when we lose.
If a loss is a reasonable expectation then why are we so concerned about where we end up after the loss? We're not winning a championship if we can't beat Oregon, or some team capable of beating Oregon.
If a loss is a reasonable expectation then why are we so concerned about where we end up after the loss? We're not winning a championship if we can't beat Oregon, or some team capable of beating Oregon.
You are intentionally choosing to ignore a very bad loss by one of those teams. To each his own!
Personally, I don't think there's any way that PSU should end up lower than #6 (and that's only with both Georgia and Oregon winning). We are not falling behind tOSU and we aren't falling behind Georgia unless they win.
The big question is Notre Dame and I still find it hard to understand how it would make sense for PSU to fall behind ND. If the Committee feels that PSU is better than ND right now then how would losing to an undefeated #1 team on a neutral site (where the #1 team is favored) change that? That's just holding serve.
If the Committee really wanted to rank/seed ND above PSU, this past Tuesday's ranking was when to do it - they could have attributed it to ND's larger margin of victory over a common opponent and with PSU's loss looking worse with tOSU losing. They even had Army ranked which gives ND a win over ranked opponent. Then putting PSU behind ND if we lose tomorrow would make sense because ND is already ahead.
If PSU falls behind ND after this weekend, it provides the exact ammo that people need about talking about playing in a CCG and losing be a disadvantage. I really don't think the CFP Committee wants to go there, especially when it is avoidable with a still reasonable ranking (does it really matter to ND if they are #5 vs 6/7 or seem undeserving?). I mean, SMU falling behind Alabama would at least be potentially justified by saying that SMU is losing to an inferior opponent (one that USCe just beat and Bama beat USCe) in a game that SMU is favored - in other words, it at least suggests that SMU is over ranked; this is contrasted to PSU where losing to Oregon basically just what everyone expects to happen so why would that change the relative assessment of PSU vs ND?
And what exactly is Notre Dame's claim over PSU and how would that improve after this weekend's games? ND still has the worse loss by a lot. Even with an L this weekend, PSU will only have lost to 2 top ten teams. PSU has the best win, versus Illinois. PSU has played the more difficult schedule - and it will be even stronger/more of a difference after playing Oregon. PSU and ND have the same number of wins.
By the way, everyone should root for Tulane to beat the Black Knights. Makes it even more absurd to have ND pass us.
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moving PSU down, if we lose, would be telling the world that playing the #1 team is a lower strength of schedule than not playing at all.
This is amazing. You just stated that you never said JF couldn't be criticized using his salary as justification, and then you just basically did it again. Bravo!
What's really amazing about your denial, is that we have litigated this many times when I've pointed out your hypocrisy. You may recall the instance when you said no one on this board could question the FB staff, noting their salary as justification, and then the very next day, during the first 8 minutes of a basketball game in which PSU was up 10 pts, you were criticizing the coaching staff that...checks notes....makes A LOT of money to coach basketball because they "know way more than you."
Imagine pretending that someone who makes a lot of money is beyond criticism. Did you watch the Bears-Lions game on Thanksgiving? Are you suggesting that Matt Eberflus, who was making $4.5M, couldn't be criticized for how they managed the clock at the end of the game because he "knows way more than you?"
If UGA loses to UT, they don't have much of a claim to the 5 or 6 spot IMO. Obviously is they win, then UT would be the team in contention for that 5 spot with PSU (assuming a loss at UO) and ND and OSU.
But think about this scenario. UGA loses so they aren't in the discussion for the 5th or 6th spot. PSU also loses. So now the committee is weighing, PSU, ND and OSU for 5-6-7. If they decided to make ND 5, then how can one argue PSU deserves the 6 spot when they'd be compared to OSU, who beat them? Head to head has to count for something, right? Or does their loss to UM override the clear head to head comparison?
Frankly IMO, if PSU loses they are the 5th seed, ND remains 6 and OSU is 7. However, if UT loses to UGA, UT slides into that 5 spot, PSU to 6 and ND to 7.
They won’t put UGA lower than 7. They certainly won’t set up a rematch with Tennessee. I expect UGA will end up either 2 or 7 with no other real options.
I don't expect to win on Saturday but our chances improve in a playoff because home field games, upsets and injuries factor in.
You're right, it makes no sense to think about every possibility.
You don't want us to win anyhow so why are you even here?
Dillon Gabriel: 57 rushes for 175 yards (3.1 avg)
Drew Allar: 67 rushes for 225 yards (3.4 avg)
The aliens got to you again, didn't they?
I don't agree.
In the end, putting PSU behind tOSU is saying that PSU losing to Oregon is worse than tOSU not qualifying and watching the Real Housewives of Atlanta Saturday night. The committee will simply KILL CCGs if they do that. There is no way you would want to come in second, ranking wise, in your conference. That makes the CCG worse than not being in the CCG.
It’s a free country. At least it used to be. I’m just pointing out the disconnect of stating that if someone makes perfectly reasonable observations about the implications of beating a good team like Illinois, you claim there is nothing more to talk about. Then you keep talking about it. Irony is so ironic.
I mean the system is already stupid because the 5 seed could have an easier run to the finals than the 1 seed, which is preposterous on its face. Play the games, put the 5 conference champs in, 7 at large and rank them 1-12 not giving CCG automatic top seeds.
But the Oregon game is just another data point in assessing how good PSU is. You are weighing timing more than what the game actually tells about PSU (or UO for that matter if they also lose). If PSU loses by enough that it calls into question if they are really a legit Top 5 team, the comparison isn't PSU having played UO vs OSU not having played. It's the fact that on the field, OSU was clearly the better team that day. Let's say the committee does put ND above PSU and now they are deciding between OSU and PSU for the 6th seed. If they put PSU ahead of OSU, then they've signaled head to head doesn't really matter.
And that's a preposterous stance to have IMO. But I do understand the flip side to this............. you are essentially penalizing a team for playing an extra game, which makes some sense. But I simply view it from the perspective 11 games, 12 games, 13 games, that's your resume.......... what kind of team are you over those 12 or 13 games? If PSU struggles and loses in a one sided affair to UO, that's a data point and as such, I think the committee can weigh that and simply not ignore it like some think.
Like I said, I suspect it works itself out and PSU stays at 5 if they lose (or maybe UT slides to 5 if they lose a close one and then PSU slides to 6, ND 7 and then OSU at 8.
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Then the system is silly. It's already dumb with the top 4 seeds being CCG winners because it very likely could create a situation where the 5 seed has an easier road than the 1 seed. If the committee is setting up games then they are telling people rankings don't matter, which might be the case.
I still say CCG winners make the field, 7 at larges. Rank them 1-12 ignoring the whole CCG winners get Top 4 seeds automatically and let's play it out on the field.
I agree. Publish the rules at the beginning of each year and let the teams manage to those metrics.
First is W/L. Second is the SEC and B1G will get X into the playoff. Others get X too.
Next is SOS...how is that calculated? Tie breakers. etc.
It seems to me that very few of the talking heads believe the committee about anything they've said. And hey, they have already broken their word by once again giving Alabama a free invite based on past performances.
Exact conversation on Tuesday night
Davis "If SMU loses to Clemson could they fall behind Bama"
Committee Chair "Possibly"
SMU has to win to be in
Why would the committee care if the conferences eliminated championship games? They should so they can make that move
ND isn't passing us unless we get blown out but if that happens they absolutely can (not saying the will) because the narrative around Penn State is they can't beat good teams. If we lose badly, are we worthy of the 5 or 6 seed over ND? That's the debate fair or not. The argument for ND over Penn State is simply 2 losses vs 1 loss that was in week 2.
If we lose, I think we're 6 if Georgia wins and 5 if Texas wins but there's room for that to change if we're being realistic.
UGa isn't falling
Texas/Georgia is a rematch so that outcome really has no impact on Georgia as they've shown the can beat Texas.
8 vs 9 is locked in as is Indiana at 10
Bama is in based on resume--are some people still pretending Miami has a better resume?
Team SOR/SOS
Bama 10/17
USCe 11/15
Miam 14/55
Ole Miss 18/31
The only decent debate is USCe/Bama but Bama beat them
Just grateful he and Gus will NOT be broadcasting the game... Brad Nessler is far better, Danielson is insightful but a whiner.
Hate to complicate things…but HOW a team loses matters too.
We lose on a last second field goal…we probably stay ahead of OSU and keep 5 seed.
We lose by 30 (remember Wisconsin vs OSU in 2014?) and I think we drop to 8 seed.
And how the other teams (SMU? Georgia? Texas?) lose would play into it as well…
Not all losses are created equal…
We lose on a last second field goal…we probably stay ahead of OSU and keep 5 seed.
We lose by 30 (remember Wisconsin vs OSU in 2014?) and I think we drop to 8 seed.
And how the other teams (SMU? Georgia? Texas?) lose would play into it as well…
Not all losses are created equal…
this is going to be funny no matter what happens, just with some members of the fanbase
I am pretty certain that there were some at the beginning of the year who were predicting 2 or 3 losses
I am also certain that there were some who said that if we didn't win at least 11 games and make the playoff then Franklin should be fired or on the hot seat and some that said that at 11-1 we could possibly miss the playoff
if we lose to Oregon some will say that Franklin can never win big games
if we beat Indiana in the playoff or Arizona St or SMU or Boise or....uh....Iowa St? then to some it won't count because those teams aren't REALLY that good, kind of like beating Utah in a bowl game, or Washington or Memphis or whoever
if we beat an SEC team or Clemson in the playoff then it will be that they actually had down years this year so they weren't really that good anyway....minus Texas, if we beat them it is "they really didn't play anybody this year, they were a paper tiger much like Indiana"....same with Notre Dame
if we win the entire thing but somehow manage to avoid Oregon and Ohio St then Franklin got lucky and didn't have to face the best teams
and literally the only thing that will suffice for some people will be a win against those two specific teams, even a win tomorrow against Oregon and then a loss in the second round of the playoffs after a bye might quiet them for a bit
it is pretty fascinating
I am pretty certain that there were some at the beginning of the year who were predicting 2 or 3 losses
I am also certain that there were some who said that if we didn't win at least 11 games and make the playoff then Franklin should be fired or on the hot seat and some that said that at 11-1 we could possibly miss the playoff
if we lose to Oregon some will say that Franklin can never win big games
if we beat Indiana in the playoff or Arizona St or SMU or Boise or....uh....Iowa St? then to some it won't count because those teams aren't REALLY that good, kind of like beating Utah in a bowl game, or Washington or Memphis or whoever
if we beat an SEC team or Clemson in the playoff then it will be that they actually had down years this year so they weren't really that good anyway....minus Texas, if we beat them it is "they really didn't play anybody this year, they were a paper tiger much like Indiana"....same with Notre Dame
if we win the entire thing but somehow manage to avoid Oregon and Ohio St then Franklin got lucky and didn't have to face the best teams
and literally the only thing that will suffice for some people will be a win against those two specific teams, even a win tomorrow against Oregon and then a loss in the second round of the playoffs after a bye might quiet them for a bit
it is pretty fascinating
The only thing on here that I think you're wrong about is that beating Indiana, SMU, Boise, or ASU isn't that big win that will change perception regardless of whether or not you or I think it's fair. He has to start winning meaningful (not bowl games outside the playoff) for that narrative to change. If we're the 5 or 6 seed the expectation is two wins given who 3/4 can be
The only way they don't fall is if they win the SEC CCG.
They have to fall from the 5 spot if they lose. One, ND can't finish in the Top 4 so they have to slide down. How do you put UGA, who you currently have ranked BEHIND ND then ahead of them if they lose the SEC CCG? You can't (well technically they could but it makes no sense). So if ND slides to 5 in the last rankings or 6, then UGA has to slide accordingly if they lose to UT. And one of UO or PSU is going to have to move because both can't be a Top 4 seed in the bracket.
So yeah, UGA is falling if they lose. They were 5 on Tuesday. If they lose, they will be lower than 5 in the final bracket.
Right now it's
1 Oregon
2 Texas
3 SMU
4 Boise
5 Penn State
6 ND
7 Georgia
8 Ohio State
9 Tennessee
10 Indiana
11 Alabama
12 ASU
Right?
Georgia will remain 5th and seeded 7th. I'm not sure why you're combining the two things. It's like claiming we're the 3 seed right now--that's not true.
The one thing everyone will hear or say after the bracket is announced is: "That doesn't make sense". When a bunch of suits behind locked doors are making the decisions based solely on there opinions, what else can anyone expect.
And everyone complained about the BCS which wasn't suits making decisions. People complain no matter what. It's part of life. The ACC is complaining because they know this will end the league as we know it. The SEC will complain because they want the league to be destroyed as we know it. Most here will complain because they've convinced themselves everyone is out to get us. There's a valid argument for us at 1 and 2 if we win. There's a valid argument for 5-8 if we lose...though I still say 7 is the floor. No system works in college football with how uneven the conferences are.
We're about to finally get a decent sized playoff but people would rather bitch than enjoy it. And half the stuff they're bitching about is stuff they made up...like we can't fall behind someone not playing.
