You are missing the point. There are other teams involved. They move OSU ahead of us and all their rankings become garbage. The logic collapses.
Sorry but this argument doesn't make any sense. Just like Bama is going be ahead of SMU if Clemson wins.
You are arguing theoreticals. Do you really think Georgia will be left out? Not do you think it is unfair they will be in. So they stay at 7 if they lose ahead of Ohio State at 8 and behind ND at 6 and PSU at 5 IF we lose.
Georgia hosts a game if they lose...their SOS was 1...why would UGa being out even be a discussion. Especially since they already beat Texas once.
Computers solve nothing. See the BCS
Computers are not biased. Why have a CCG if you then penalize those that make it.
Yes they are. Computers run algorithms that people wrote, are often hidden, and rarely challenged.
Folks don’t understand that any computer model reflects the biases of the creator of the model. That is why I would be very careful in relying on a computer model for selecting playoff participants.
Computers are man made. So are the formulas and algorithms that computers use to rank teams. If those programs were used, people would be complaining that it's inherently biased for/against certain situations. And there'd be no recourse during that season. That's a fallible system, as well.
It still is better than schmucks locked in a room.
I would rather have a computer saying we are 9th versus some biased stuffed suit.
Because you still have to perform in them
And the biased stuffed shirts have a perfect situation today to prove their credibility….they said before that they would not penalize a team for losing in the CCG….of course that was when they thought OSU was going to be in it. Now that PSU is in it, we’ll see how much credibility they have if PSU loses.
There are...you just don't like then
FTR, I've never said anything about Illinois, but carry-on, I guess 🤷
If we hadn’t defeated Illinois then they would be one of those “similarly” talented teams that PSU doesn’t beat. Since we beat them, they are “not good enough” to warrant any credit for PSU.
One game does not change the point. Let me ask you a question.
And they looked good beating I believe 4 top 25 teams. These are the arguments where you and others lose credibility. Everyone plays teams like Mercer. We played arguably the worst football team in the country at any level this year. Bama has 2 bad losses but great wins. SMU has a bad loss and no quality wins
I don’t necessarily like defending CJG, but is that fair? Wouldn’t Nick Saban be the answer to almost any pair you throw into that hypothetical?
The good news is that Nick Saban isn't at Alabama anymore, and many of the same players no longer play like the Alabama teams most remember. Right now they look a lot more like Mike Shula is the coach than Nick Saban.
I don't see that happening, too much money would be lost. Short term I think they keep the game and reconsider how they seed the playoff teams as there are already a lot of complaints about it. Long term I think we see a mini conference playoff to crown a champion, maybe 4 teams. This would help to solve the problem of unbalanced schedules with these 18 team conferences and the best teams not playing each other. Super long term we'll probably see the Big 10 and SEC break off and do their own thing and the national championship might simply become B1G vs. SEC much like the AFC vs. NFC in the NFL.
The NFL also gives a playoff spot to every division winner, regardless of eye test or record or strength of schedule. You know, like every other sport in existence except for college football. College football fans, programs, conferences and media talking heads lose their minds when you suggest that the easiest answer is to give all 11 conference champs a spot and add in a handful of at large berths (aka wild cards). There is way too much elitism in college football. If the P4 teams are so much better why are they worried about 7 automatic playoff berths for other teams that they will easily beat? They should want that, it gives them an easier path the the championship. If I were in charge that's the exact format I'd choose. Put the ownership on the conferences to send their best team where it's easier to compare them because they will have a bunch of head to head games and common scheduling practices to use as data points.
The biased stuffed suit writes the computer algorithm. In this case, ESPN. Are you surprised that a Big 10 team is ranked lower than everywhere else in an ESPN written algorithm?
You keep speaking of computers as if they're sentient beings. Computers are nothing ... other than a reflection of what a man made. Essentially, if a statistician and computer programmer told you who should make the college football playoff, you'd flip out and scream "bias" ... but if those same people wrote a computer program that led to the same result as they had previously stated, you'd be happily saying "oh, well, the computer said it ... it's so much better than what those guys said!" How do you know that the committee members don't have a system to which they're adhering - the same as if they had written a computer program? A computer only spits out what a "biased stuffed suit" puts into it.
I fully agree. And that's the point. A coach's job is to make their players better. If you read the trail up above, I said that JF wins on talent and tend to perform poorly against teams of same/ similar talent - the supposition being that JF gets out coached by his peers. @Kasparaitis retorted that Kirby Smart and Nick Saban were the same.
Well said!!! Winning should matter. Only change I'd make is require conferences with 14 or more teams to split into 2 divisions. That would give you 15 conference/division winners. Then you could have a wildcard (which I hate) for the 16th team or give the number 1 ranked team a bye and wait for the PAC to reconstitute itself and produce the 16th team. That's a true playoff but it will never happen. Too much money in having lucky loser (wildcard) fans thinking there team has a chance.
Nick Saban is one of the greatest college coaches of all time so sure I’d pick him. That’s a pretty silly question though.
We have already seen multiple different versions of divisions, and they were all shitty.
