PSU - Lehigh Dual

[Cowbell Man]

Gotta call it like I see it, bro. All things aren't always peaches and cream.


184 - I though Cutch might be ready to close the gap on Brown and at least give him a good match. So I was disappointed the way Cutch got completely handled. If that is unreasonable, well, sorry. Cutch remains a fringe AA guy IMO, but still a long way from the upper tier in the 184 lb weight class.

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Fringe? If that means 4-8th place AA, that's hardware. If Fringe means in a group that is barely AA I don't follow. He's earned a current 6 ranking by beating pretty much everyone below him. He's not at Dean's level....but really, who is? Brown will place 2nd and despite a loss to Dudley early in the year, Brown is better than the rest of the field. It would have been nice to see Mouse closer to Brown, but Brown's lateral movement is swift and he's a powerful accomplished wrestler who has had the misfortune of a Dean and Ruth in his weight class. That Mouse has not yet reached Browns air yet is not surprising, but that doesn't make him a fringe AA candidate. He's a solid AA candidate.

 

[RoarLions1]

Past inconsistency? Maybe we've been watching different Morgan's?

The one I've been watching was thrown into the starting role as a true freshman, way undersized at that point, and still finished 18-10.

Since then, he's gone 84-8, losing to Gadsen, Penny, Heflin, Cox 3x, Hartmann, and Snyder...some pretty good names in that bunch. Among his wins are 30 against top-20 guys at the time, including 3 #1's, and 11 top-10's . He's beaten Cox and Snyder, and Schiller, a pretty good wrestler for Minnesota, was 1-4 against Morgan, winning only in Morgan's true freshman year. Oh, and until this year, he was wrestling through injuries that marginalized his effectiveness.

Morgan is 23rd all-time in career bonus win %, 14th in career bonus wins, and 24th in career wins during a time when our guys only wrestle 3/4 of the matches as a couple decades ago.

Yep, he lost 2 or 3 heartbreakers as a true freshman in 2011-12...but hardly the thing that defines inconsistency.

I can't find a single negative word to say about Morgan. My preference would be leader, mentor, role model, ambassador, etc.

I will definitely grant you the injury scenario and being thrown in as a true freshman. I am referring to last year and the year before. I have always thought he possessed a ton of talent. The inconsistency I am talking about is matches against lesser opponents and he would win a close decision and seemed very hesitant to shoot, other similar matches he was very dominate and your right injuries could of been playing a big role in how those played out.

Sorry, still don't see it. Laying generalities out there after the facts say otherwise doesn't prove anything. Morgan's last home dual is tonight, other than the Dual Championship Series, and an unjust characterization of Morgan's career just shouldn't be coming from any fan. I'll repeat...24th in Career Wins in the history of Penn State wrestling (88 years of NCAA competition)...along with all the other FACTS posted above.

CONGRATS MORGAN!! AS A PENN STATE WRESTLING FAN, I'LL MISS SEEING YOU IN BLUE and WHITE. BEST WISHES WITH THE NITTANY LION WRESTLING CLUB. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES. GOOD LUCK GOING TO B1G's and NCAA's TO MAKE A COUPLE MORE.

 

[El-Jefe]

Among this year's 184s, McCutcheon has beaten in his college career: Zavatsky, Stauffer, Dudley, Miklus, Brooks, Courts. He'll be fine.

 

[El-Jefe]

I will definitely grant you the injury scenario and being thrown in as a true freshman. I am referring to last year and the year before. I have always thought he possessed a ton of talent. The inconsistency I am talking about is matches against lesser opponents and he would win a close decision and seemed very hesitant to shoot, other similar matches he was very dominate and your right injuries could of been playing a big role in how those played out.

This has happened only in the matches where the opponent went into Full Chris Perry Mode. If the other guy refuses to do anything other than tie up, block, and back up, then it's hard for anyone to score.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Sorry, still don't see it. Laying generalities out there after the facts say otherwise doesn't prove anything. Morgan's last home dual is tonight, other than the Dual Championship Series, and an unjust characterization of Morgan's career just shouldn't be coming from any fan. I'll repeat...24th in Career Wins in the history of Penn State wrestling (88 years of NCAA competition)...along with all the other FACTS posted above.

CONGRATS MORGAN!! AS A PENN STATE WRESTLING FAN, I'LL MISS SEEING YOU IN BLUE and WHITE. BEST WISHES WITH THE NITTANY LION WRESTLING CLUB. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES. GOOD LUCK GOING TO B1G's and NCAA's TO MAKE A COUPLE MORE.

Hehe....in support of the consistency statement, Roar, Morgan was remarkably consistent at clock watching in his freshman year.

I have to add, though...is also a consistent progression as a wrestler. Little to no ability to ride as a freshman has turned into a brutal ride today ....brutal.

Like you, I wonder how good he would be if Cael could actually coach.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Fringe? If that means 4-8th place AA, that's hardware. If Fringe means in a group that is barely AA I don't follow. He's earned a current 6 ranking by beating pretty much everyone below him. He's not at Dean's level....but really, who is? Brown will place 2nd and despite a loss to Dudley early in the year, Brown is better than the rest of the field. It would have been nice to see Mouse closer to Brown, but Brown's lateral movement is swift and he's a powerful accomplished wrestler who has had the misfortune of a Dean and Ruth in his weight class. That Mouse has not yet reached Browns air yet is not surprising, but that doesn't make him a fringe AA candidate. He's a solid AA candidate.

Agree with you. Was hopeful that Cutch had closed the gap on Brown, but hasn't -- that is no knock on Cutch imo because Brown is a damn good wrestler and looks to be a finalist imo. It does mean the B1Gs are going to be much more telling as to exactly where Cutch is at. Cutch needs to make it to the Championship Bracket finals where he will likely face Abounader - if he does, he should be a very solid seed and have a decent route to the podium. However, if he slips at B1Gs and finishes well back, it could be a much more difficult route for Cutch to the podium. I think B1Gs is going to be very, very telling as to precisely where Cutch is at and where he's headed at nationals.

 

[hlstone]

I forgot about Morgan and the clock-watching his freshman year. He was so close to beating those upper ranked guys. To look back at it, it is comical.

 

[Lion-around]

Agree with you. Was hopeful that Cutch had closed the gap on Brown, but hasn't -- that is no knock on Cutch imo because Brown is a damn good wrestler and looks to be a finalist imo. It does mean the B1Gs are going to be much more telling as to exactly where Cutch is at. Cutch needs to make it to the Championship Bracket finals where he will likely face Abounader - if he does, he should be a very solid seed and have a decent route to the podium. However, if he slips at B1Gs and finishes well back, it could be a much more difficult route for Cutch to the podium. I think B1Gs is going to be very, very telling as to precisely where Cutch is at and where he's headed at nationals.

My bigger concern reference McCutcheon is whether his body will hold up during an entire tournament. He is 0 for 2 (NLO and the Scuffle) in making it thru a tournament and the remaining two tournaments (B1G and nationals) are the toughest. If he stays healthy, he'll do very well.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Fringe? If that means 4-8th place AA, that's hardware. If Fringe means in a group that is barely AA I don't follow. He's earned a current 6 ranking by beating pretty much everyone below him. He's not at Dean's level....but really, who is? Brown will place 2nd and despite a loss to Dudley early in the year, Brown is better than the rest of the field. It would have been nice to see Mouse closer to Brown, but Brown's lateral movement is swift and he's a powerful accomplished wrestler who has had the misfortune of a Dean and Ruth in his weight class. That Mouse has not yet reached Browns air yet is not surprising, but that doesn't make him a fringe AA candidate. He's a solid AA candidate.

What I meant by "fringe" is a low AA candidate (say 6th to 8th), which IMO is about the best case scenario. However, missing AA is a realistic possibility. Hence use of the term "fringe", but perhaps it was not the optimal terminology. I have no argument with "low AA candidate".

And yeah, I didn't expect Cutch to beat Brown, but I didn't expect such a one-sided bout, either.

 

[jschrantz]

What I meant by "fringe" is a low AA candidate (say 6th to 8th), which IMO is about the best case scenario. However, missing AA is a realistic possibility. Hence use of the term "fringe", but perhaps it was not the optimal terminology. I have no argument with "low AA candidate".

And yeah, I didn't expect Cutch to beat Brown, but I didn't expect such a one-sided bout, either.

When they meet before Brown controlled the match, not sure what you were expecting?

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

What I meant by "fringe" is a low AA candidate (say 6th to 8th), which IMO is about the best case scenario. However, missing AA is a realistic possibility. Hence use of the term "fringe", but perhaps it was not the optimal terminology. I have no argument with "low AA candidate".

And yeah, I didn't expect Cutch to beat Brown, but I didn't expect such a one-sided bout, either.

Pretty ridiculous that you think 6th is his best case scenario. Who other than Brown/Dean/Abounader can't he beat?

 

[Ankle Pick]

Have to agree... Didn't expect Cutch to win last night, but that wasn't good no matter how hard I can "homerize" it.. - I'd be happy with a top-5 finish.. After the first 3, (and maybe a sneaky Boyd?) I think he's right there... .. Health-pending..

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Pretty ridiculous that you think 6th is his best case scenario. Who other than Brown/Dean/Abounader can't he beat?

I'm not convinced that Mouse can't beat Abounader. Abounader barely beat Zavatsky 5-4 in the Semis of the CKLV. Mouse recorded an 18-4 MD against Zavatsky in the PSU-VT dual. Brown is at a different level than Abounader imho - Dean is at level by himself, but Brown at least gave him a competitive match (lost 8-2 in the finals of SS), Abounader lost by MD (15-6) in the finals of the CKLV.

If Mouse wins B1Gs, he has a very realistic shot at making the Championship Semi's and Consi Finals at Nationals.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Pretty ridiculous that you think 6th is his best case scenario. Who other than Brown/Dean/Abounader can't he beat?

Fine, change best case to 4th if you like. It's unlikely IMO, but sure, it could happen (lots of things can, both good and bad). We're also starting to split hairs a bit, but I won't quibble with the revised characterization. However, I'll still say "low AA candidate" and not sweat the exact details.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

When they meet before Brown controlled the match, not sure what you were expecting?

Simple - I was expecting a closer match, thinking that Cutch had improved and closed the gap some since their previous match-up. I was clearly incorrect.

 

[nitlion6]

Just a thought or two.
1. People are entitled to their opinons, and it is fair for others to judge those opinions.

My opinion is for a Nittany Lion fan to whine about Morgan McIntosh is so beyond silly or ridiculous that it steps into uneducated, unknowing or just moronic. Roar, sometimes you say it too nicely.

Jimmy Gulibon. I have to admit I was somewhat surprised we did not see a higher level of energy from Jim last night. I expected after the last two matches to see Jimmy physically attack Cruz and wear him out.
Jimmy is the answer at 141, but.

Lehigh fans, emotionally stoked in a packed gym sound like similarly charged Penn State or Iowa fans in a packed gym or arena - the one thing a true wrestling fan knows is that the other team's guy is blatantly stalling and the ref needs help knowing it.

With that said, Santoro and the Lehigh bench have higher standards. I think matter7172 pointed out Lehigh scored 34 match points. The thing that bugs the living snot out of me is Lehigh, with Brown the noted exception when he is not wrestling Dean, wrestles like a Rande Stottlemeyer coached team. Always moving in reverse, hoping the other guy shoots from too far out, becomes extended and allows Lehigh the opportunity to score defensively. It is irritating as all get out to watch a kid wrestle almost non stop in reverse and have to listen to his coach whine for a stalling call the first time, and every time his kid even leans forward. It is fairly easy to understand why Lehigh is stuck behind Cornell. Do not want to hear anything about this year's dual result.

165 is an issue. I have no idea if true or not, but I was told Rasheed has been allowed to carry more weight during the week to see if his energy stores improves. If so that is a mistake. From a physiological stand point the kid's body needs to be training very near his competition weight.

As far as whether or not Bo was a little tired. He was very tired at the end of the Nebraska match and the Wisconsin match. He looked a bit sluggish. Thing is, even tired Bo is full throttle.

 

[El-Jefe]

Most men would feel sluggish after this. Note the position of Wolf's left knee.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Most men would feel sluggish after this. Note the position of Wolf's left knee.

he is going to have to get one of those 'soft cups' that some baseball players wear....

 

[El-Jefe]

he is going to have to get one of those 'soft cups' that some baseball players wear....

Plus he might still be a little tender after The Brunson.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Plus he might still be a little tender after The Brunson.

Too funny, that's the new term.....like, "I think she likes me, she gave me a Brunson during the movie at the movie theater.".

 

[Brian LB-U]

Nevills highlights, courtesy of True Wrestling (Note: He has several other videos up from the match)

 

[NittanyLion84]

Nevills highlights, courtesy of True Wrestling (Note: He has several other videos up from the match)

Brian

Thanks for posting, Nick looks like he's put on some muscle from the last video I saw of him.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Brian

Thanks for posting, Nick looks like he's put on some muscle from the last video I saw of him.

Agree. According to Ironhead, he weighed in at 261 last night. He'll be a full-size "jumbo" HWT this time next year.

 

[Ja1339]

Cost for three PSU - Lehigh dual tickets $16.50
Gas to drive from Harrisburg area to Lehigh Valley, $17
Dinner for three at Pete's Hot Dog King in Bethlehem, $20.55
Opportunity to see PSU spank Lehigh, and see Nevills in his inagural match with PSU, Priceless

 

[nitlion6]

Past inconsistency? Maybe we've been watching different Morgan's?

The one I've been watching was thrown into the starting role as a true freshman, way undersized at that point, and still finished 18-10.

Since then, he's gone 84-8, losing to Gadsen, Penny, Heflin, Cox 3x, Hartmann, and Snyder...some pretty good names in that bunch. Among his wins are 30 against top-20 guys at the time, including 3 #1's, and 11 top-10's . He's beaten Cox and Snyder, and Schiller, a pretty good wrestler for Minnesota, was 1-4 against Morgan, winning only in Morgan's true freshman year. Oh, and until this year, he was wrestling through injuries that marginalized his effectiveness.

Morgan is 23rd all-time in career bonus win %, 14th in career bonus wins, and 24th in career wins during a time when our guys only wrestle 3/4 of the matches as a couple decades ago.

Yep, he lost 2 or 3 heartbreakers as a true freshman in 2011-12...but hardly the thing that defines inconsistency.

I can't find a single negative word to say about Morgan. My preference would be leader, mentor, role model, ambassador, etc.

And sometimes Roar, you say it perfectly!!!!!