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PSU @ Nebraska: Dual meet thread.

Really impressed with Nickal's approach to Dudley today. A year ago Nickal would've tried to throw when he had the double overs but perhaps this year realizes there's no need to risk getting rolled through when you can just run a takedown clinic and risk nothing. Interesting that Dudley was in good position to attempt a throw himself a few times in the second but declined.

Also really impressed with Suriano making it through Lizak and Lambert on the road. But not surprised. He's the same guy every time out. Good that both he and the the coaches got a look at some areas where he can improve. I still don't pick him over Gilman, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him win either.

And Nevills had a great weekend too. He's got the instincts of a wrestler a few weight classes down and HWTs can't keep up; really great reactions in close against Jensen. Beating guys with quickness he didn't have last year. Medberry and Walz might be tough outs and I can't imagine Snyder losing to anyone but Nevills seems not far behind that upper tier if he's not already in it.
Seeing Bo at the MN dual, it's obvious he's added low level attacks to the arsenal. The product development team of Cael & Co. have done it again and cranked out a better mousetrap! To me it looked like a David Taylor low-level offense to go with his Bo Nickal upper-body stuff. I think it puts him and Dean in the finals...
 
Well, that's enough proof for me.

Cael should step down immediately and let LemonPie, 21 Guns & Spyker take over the program.

It's amazing Cael luckboxed into his previous 5 NCs without listening to those three beforehand.

Hahaha. 21 Guns really teed that up. I almost took it myself.
 
Mike Hagerty was the head official, he's one of the best in the sport. Mike Allen was also sitting at the end of the scorers table. Cropduster's "head taps" were illegal eye pokes, but no call from the ref because the hand is quicker than the eye.
are you related to Mark Manning? You sure do whine a lot.
 
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Really says something about Nolf that he majors the #3 guy at the weight and the prevailing attitude seems to be, 'Meh. Wasn't a tech.'

Getting back to Eggum's excuses, regardless of what he should or shouldn't have said, there's definitely truth to the notion that Wrestler A has an edge when Wrestler B had a shorter rest or had to make weight a few days before. Penn State probably benefited a little from Minnesota being at the Scuffle but were then disadvantaged b/c they had to weigh in twice over a 40-something hour span. Anyway, the Nebraska dual was an opportunity for a bit of a letdown and the team, as a whole, passed a lot of tests; the most important ones anyway. Have to feel good about Iowa two Fridays from now.
 
Really says something about Nolf that he majors the #3 guy at the weight and the prevailing attitude seems to be, 'Meh. Wasn't a tech.'

Getting back to Eggum's excuses, regardless of what he should or shouldn't have said, there's definitely truth to the notion that Wrestler A has an edge when Wrestler B had a shorter rest or had to make weight a few days before. Penn State probably benefited a little from Minnesota being at the Scuffle but were then disadvantaged b/c they had to weigh in twice over a 40-something hour span. Anyway, the Nebraska dual was an opportunity for a bit of a letdown and the team, as a whole, passed a lot of tests; the most important ones anyway. Have to feel good about Iowa two Fridays from now.

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Before Saturday? ;D

Just because you aren't nervous doesn't mean everyone isn't nervous....
does Nolf look nervous to you?

(EDIT: for clarification since the sarcasm was missed, this is Nolf prematch relaxing to his opponents rap intro) NOT Nervous.
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sorry about quality. shot my touchscreen from my phone, lol

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Terrible positioning ..... LOL
Asap ferg makes great music only natural to bob your head
 
I think it's time to see what Kade can do, and give him a couple starts.
I like your spirit 21!! Kade had a decent chance at the scuffle. Also, everyone has heard your opinion on Hall. You don't need to remind us.
 
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Thing that concerns me most with Mouse is his susceptibility to length and "funk"....we saw it twice this w/e - the 2nd time being lethal.

Byers called "Split Scissors" which again is a move name i've heard applied to something called a "banana split" where I grew up (essentially going across to leg rather than arm with opposite "boot in" - we called it a "grapevine" when you took opposing arm and wrapped behind your head and rolled back.....and a "banana split" when you locked on opposing leg with any of various ties and rolled back). Someone else in string called it as a "spladle" which is slightly different than a Banana Split / Split Scissors - the leg lock in a spladle is over the leg, not a "figure 4" on the leg after getting a boot in. You will typically see a spladle off a "Head-Outside Single Shot" where the defending wrestle reaches over top of shooting wrestler and latches onto the shooting wrestler's outside leg at knee (and extends leg that has been shot on deeper behind shooting wrestler's leg)....then defending wrestler who is draped over top rolls either forward or back although I would say back more common to guard against opponent popping his head out.

From the sound of Byers call, it sounded like a Banana Split (or "Split Scissors" as Byers called it) - a move that wrestlers with length advantage and a preference for funk like to use....and conversely wrestlers susceptible to length and funk fall victim to....
split-eagle
 
"The sky is falling" criticism is a classic Straw Man argument. Just because some posters express some concern that we are not a huge favorite to beat a deep (though with much less top side talent) Ok St team, does not indicate panic. I think we win it without Hall. That said, being uncertain about the outcome is far more realistic than those who think the title is a given, without Hall.
The question for me is the definition of "panic". In my opinion, puling Halls redshirt right now, assuming it was not part of the plan, is a panic move. 48 hours ago Jimmy and MM were looking like 50-50 shots to be AA. Today, because they both lost to similarly ranked wrestlers (and looked kinda lousy doing it), we are back to "pull Hall's shirt we need the points". In my opinion, that would be a panic move right now.
 
split-eagle

Yes, have heard it called that as well (have also heard "Spread Eagle") - again, have also heard it called "Split Scissors", but was generally called a "Banana Split" where I was from.

Regardless of what you call it, somewhat disappointing that Cutch seemed to have no answer whatsoever for this hip-ride and to some degree, it sounded like he played right into it trying to escape.
 
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Regardless of what you call it, somewhat disappointing that Cutch seemed to have no answer whatsoever for this hip-ride and to some degree, it sounded like he played right into it trying to escape.
This.
The first thing I thought of before he tried to stand was, " No way, he has rolled around with Q" . Then he tried to stand and it was over. Not sure there is a way out of it once you are in it, but just can't get in that spot.
 
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... regardless of what he should or shouldn't have said, there's definitely truth to the notion that Wrestler A has an edge when ...
On the other hand, there's a lot to be said for merciless trash talk, of the "we want to murder those Hun bastards by the bushel" variety. Otherwise we might be sitting here admitting that, yes, a long bus ride does not help a wrestler perform his best. :)
 
Is that what you want, Tikk? To take "long bus ride" away from us?? ;)
I will rent a Zipcar thank you.
What I was suggesting is that there's a distinction (and this applies to all sports really) between making excuses--which the wrestlers and coaches have to be careful of doing publicly because their mental toughness will be questioned---and acknowledging, as a fan and observer, numerous realities, statistical and otherwise. I mean, as a random message board guy and fan I don't feel the need to pretend for anyone else's sake that every match is met on equal terms. If that were true why wait two weeks after the conference tourneys to hold the NCAAs? They do that because they want to level the baseline--allow them to meet on as equal terms as possible.

Coaches have to say things like, "if he's well enough to be out there, he has no excuses if he loses," but we all know that if a guy's sick, the margin of error in this sport at this level greatly increases his chances to lose. Look at Zain vs BJ Clagon last year; we know Zain was sick because Cael eventually mentioned it--was that an excuse? Zain can't cite it as a reason the match was close, but I'm certainly going to factor it into my expectations for the rematch (which sadly never occurred), because the sickness explanation comported with everything we saw and knew previously. Same with Conaway in his last match. But sometimes coaches have to manage egos, and that's what I think Eggum was doing--preserving his team's perhaps fragile psyche for the sake of the season.

That's not to say all excuse-making is equal, sometimes it's just eye-rolling nonsense, like Ryan's "long bus ride" and "average officials." But even in the same example, citing Stieber's sickness was legitimately noteworthy because it probably did factor in, even if Zain was still probably the only one capable of beating a sick Logan Stieber that day.

Uh oh, just read back and realized I've contributed far too much ink to this topic. I'm a bit under the weather though, I figure you'll all understand ;)
 
I will rent a Zipcar thank you.
What I was suggesting is that there's a distinction (and this applies to all sports really) between making excuses--which the wrestlers and coaches have to be careful of doing publicly because their mental toughness will be questioned---and acknowledging, as a fan and observer, numerous realities, statistical and otherwise. I mean, as a random message board guy and fan I don't feel the need to pretend for anyone else's sake that every match is met on equal terms. If that were true why wait two weeks after the conference tourneys to hold the NCAAs? They do that because they want to level the baseline--allow them to meet on as equal terms as possible.

Coaches have to say things like, "if he's well enough to be out there, he has no excuses if he loses," but we all know that if a guy's sick, the margin of error in this sport at this level greatly increases his chances to lose. Look at Zain vs BJ Clagon last year; we know Zain was sick because Cael eventually mentioned it--was that an excuse? Zain can't cite it as a reason the match was close, but I'm certainly going to factor it into my expectations for the rematch (which sadly never occurred), because the sickness explanation comported with everything we saw and knew previously. Same with Conaway in his last match. But sometimes coaches have to manage egos, and that's what I think Eggum was doing--preserving his team's perhaps fragile psyche for the sake of the season.

That's not to say all excuse-making is equal, sometimes it's just eye-rolling nonsense, like Ryan's "long bus ride" and "average officials." But even in the same example, citing Stieber's sickness was legitimately noteworthy because it probably did factor in, even if Zain was still probably the only one capable of beating a sick Logan Stieber that day.

Uh oh, just read back and realized I've contributed far too much ink to this topic. I'm a bit under the weather though, I figure you'll all understand ;)
In all seriousness, fans' acceptance or lack thereof is fascinating to me.

For example, a lot of people think Dean is vulnerable because of his loss to Boyd last year. It was his first match after being out for a month with the flu, and he very clearly wasn't right. He could barely stand after the first period, and corpses thought he was stiff. He gave up back points for possibly the only time since Ed Ruth pinned him -- on a tilt of all things. Despite all that, he hit a cement mixer at the buzzer and was about 5-6 sec from winning the match. Oh, and he dominated Boyd at nationals.

But, yeah, Dean can be beaten because Boyd.
 
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In all seriousness, fans' acceptance or lack thereof is fascinating to me.

For example, a lot of people think Dean is vulnerable because of his loss to Boyd last year. It was his first match after being out for a month with the flu, and he very clearly wasn't right. He could barely stand after the first period, and corpses thought he was stiff. He gave up back points for possibly the only time since Ed Ruth pinned him -- on a tilt of all things. Despite all that, he hit a cement mixer at the buzzer and was about 5-6 sec from winning the match. Oh, and he dominated Boyd at nationals.

But, yeah, Dean can be beaten because Boyd.

True, but Boyd made Dean look human both times he's faced him this year (in early season Dual and in Southern Scuffle Finals) - lost both times 7-2. And Boyd has looked less than dominating against a couple unranked wrestlers.
 
In all seriousness, fans' acceptance or lack thereof is fascinating to me.

For example, a lot of people think Dean is vulnerable because of his loss to Boyd last year. It was his first match after being out for a month with the flu, and he very clearly wasn't right. He could barely stand after the first period, and corpses thought he was stiff. He gave up back points for possibly the only time since Ed Ruth pinned him -- on a tilt of all things. Despite all that, he hit a cement mixer at the buzzer and was about 5-6 sec from winning the match. Oh, and he dominated Boyd at nationals.

But, yeah, Dean can be beaten because Boyd.
Well....I would say Dean can be beaten because it's Bo. ;)
 
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