PSU - Oklahoma State Dual Thread
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Eff yeah Morgan!!!! After the cheapo shiite at 184. Glad Mac came out with a vengeance!!! We Are!
Interesting point raised briefly regarding Cael.....what exactly can explain the difference in records between Cael's coaching record at Iowa State and Penn State other than precisely what Cael said at the time he made the decision to go to PSU and during his Introductory Press Conference (e.g., PSU's historic tradition combined with it being located in the heart of Pennsylvania, the absolute best local recruiting ground in the nation). Cael had a very good record while at ISU - among the better records in the country, but not the best - , but since coming to PSU Cael has the absolute best record in the nation and has absolutely dominated the nation since coming to PSU. So what, other than what Cael gave as his rationale for the move, could really explain Cael going from having a good record at ISU, but nowhere near the best record, to having the absolute best record in the nation since coming to PSU and no one else is even close.....just absolutely dominating the rest of the nation with no let-up in sight???
With this victory, PSU has their 1st undefeated season under CS.
His injury isn't going to get any better until the offseason, most likely gonna need surgery
Wow, Cutch having to wrestle on that knee in b1g's is somewhat frightening. Hate to say it, but other b1g wrestlers are going to go after Cutch's knee after watching that Boyd match and I'm not sure Cutch can make it all the way through a tournament without an INJ Default....PSU would lose the spot at 84 for nationals if Cutch ends up not being able to make it all the way through b1g's.
285: Jan Johnson vs. #5 Austin Marsden
1st
TD at 2:31 -- Johnson stopped thinking they were OOB, 0-2. Marsden nearly got a tilt. OOB with 2:05. Johnson up, and thrown back down. Near the edge. OOB with 1:48. Johnson to his base, then Marsden puts his weight on him. Johnson up, but OOB at 59 sec. Caution on Johnson. Option start, and an esc, 1-2. Johnson shoots, but Marsden with a counter spin around for teh TD, 1-4. 30 sec left. Johnson gets tilted, and 4 NF, 1-8. End. RT at 2:20 for Marsden.
2nd
Marsden takes down. Johnson with an option start and Marsden is out in 9 sec, 1-9. Johnson in on a single, has Marsden dancing, but Marsden ends up spinning around behind him at the end of the sequence for a TD, 1-11. Johnson got sloppy and didn't finish. OOB with 1:04. Johnson to his base, but worked back down. Johnson to his base again, and driven back down. Johsnon up, and gets a reversal on the edge, 3-11. LOL OOB with 12 sec. Marsden up and out in 3 sec, 3-12. End. Marsden has 3:13 in RT.
3rd
Johnson took neutral. Marsden in on a single, and gets the TD, 5-12. OOB with 1:20. The crowd is giving him a standing O. Option start, and a cut at 1:16, 5-13. RT is locked. Johnson shoots, but gets counters for the TD, 15-5. OOB with 18 sec. Option start. Johnson out, 6-16. Marsden in on a single for the TD, 6-17. With RT, it's a 6-18 victory for Marsden.
29-18, PSU is the final.
Nico is the Cliff Keen Wrestler of the Match, from BTN
PSU wins the Dual Championship
1st
TD at 2:31 -- Johnson stopped thinking they were OOB, 0-2. Marsden nearly got a tilt. OOB with 2:05. Johnson up, and thrown back down. Near the edge. OOB with 1:48. Johnson to his base, then Marsden puts his weight on him. Johnson up, but OOB at 59 sec. Caution on Johnson. Option start, and an esc, 1-2. Johnson shoots, but Marsden with a counter spin around for teh TD, 1-4. 30 sec left. Johnson gets tilted, and 4 NF, 1-8. End. RT at 2:20 for Marsden.
2nd
Marsden takes down. Johnson with an option start and Marsden is out in 9 sec, 1-9. Johnson in on a single, has Marsden dancing, but Marsden ends up spinning around behind him at the end of the sequence for a TD, 1-11. Johnson got sloppy and didn't finish. OOB with 1:04. Johnson to his base, but worked back down. Johnson to his base again, and driven back down. Johsnon up, and gets a reversal on the edge, 3-11. LOL OOB with 12 sec. Marsden up and out in 3 sec, 3-12. End. Marsden has 3:13 in RT.
3rd
Johnson took neutral. Marsden in on a single, and gets the TD, 5-12. OOB with 1:20. The crowd is giving him a standing O. Option start, and a cut at 1:16, 5-13. RT is locked. Johnson shoots, but gets counters for the TD, 15-5. OOB with 18 sec. Option start. Johnson out, 6-16. Marsden in on a single for the TD, 6-17. With RT, it's a 6-18 victory for Marsden.
29-18, PSU is the final.
Nico is the Cliff Keen Wrestler of the Match, from BTN
PSU wins the Dual Championship
t-shirts for the National Dual, and a plaque for the National Duals Championship, presented by Mike Moyer of the NWCA.
Nico is the Ridge Riley award winner
Nico is the Ridge Riley award winner
Congrats to Penn St ! Great match up ! But seriously, they need to re think how they run this tourny. Do it somewhat like the CollegeFootball Playoff. 4 (or 8 team) dual mini tourny in 1 or 2 days.
This season, it wouldn't matter what the format was/is.... PSU way above the field.
This season, it wouldn't matter what the format was/is.... PSU way above the field.
McIntosh is looking better all the time. Don't think he's going to be denied this year. He's on a mission!
In only three seasons at ISU Cael had a 2nd place finish at NCAAs and won three straight Big 12 titles. He clearly was building something special there, let's not forget that part of his legacy.
Not happening, man, the coaches don't want it. The season is a meat grinder as it is without packing in an extra meaningless mini-tournament before BIGs and Nationals.
Nico interview with JB
- talk about your final time at Rec Hall and the emotions
No, I looked at the crowd, let it all soak it. I looked around twice because it was the last time. It's unbelievable
- how special to be undefeated and un-tied this year
I didn't realize the undefeated part. This team is special. Everyone in the lineup; it's unbelievable. they just go and go and go. Even Jan, he keeps fighting. I can't wait to win Big Tens and NCAAs
- talk about Klimara and stacking him
I didn't know I had the pin. I was trying to wear him out. It was surprising, in a good way
- 2 weeks before Big Tens
I'm going to be my best there, and even better at NCAAs
- talk about Jordan Conaway
if you tell him to jump off a bridge, he'll do it. He has a really big heart. My dad is the one that called up Mr. Conaway, and told him that Penn State might be a good place when Liberty shut down their program. I can't say enough good things about him
- talk about Morgan McIntosh
he's pretty low maintenance. He mellows some of us out. I told him after the pin it was crazy. It's been awesome to be here with him for 5 years
- you guys excited about Big Tens
I'm just so happy to have the opportunity to compete there again. A lot of these guys are freshmen. We're going to take full advantage of it.
- talk about your final time at Rec Hall and the emotions
No, I looked at the crowd, let it all soak it. I looked around twice because it was the last time. It's unbelievable
- how special to be undefeated and un-tied this year
I didn't realize the undefeated part. This team is special. Everyone in the lineup; it's unbelievable. they just go and go and go. Even Jan, he keeps fighting. I can't wait to win Big Tens and NCAAs
- talk about Klimara and stacking him
I didn't know I had the pin. I was trying to wear him out. It was surprising, in a good way
- 2 weeks before Big Tens
I'm going to be my best there, and even better at NCAAs
- talk about Jordan Conaway
if you tell him to jump off a bridge, he'll do it. He has a really big heart. My dad is the one that called up Mr. Conaway, and told him that Penn State might be a good place when Liberty shut down their program. I can't say enough good things about him
- talk about Morgan McIntosh
he's pretty low maintenance. He mellows some of us out. I told him after the pin it was crazy. It's been awesome to be here with him for 5 years
- you guys excited about Big Tens
I'm just so happy to have the opportunity to compete there again. A lot of these guys are freshmen. We're going to take full advantage of it.
Beyond that, what's the point of wrestling the #1 Seeded Conference Champion against the bottom seed....and forcing them to wrestle 4 matches when everybody knows that the first 3 duals are completely meaningless (for instance, why are you going to have PSU wrestle UT-Chattanooga and another meaningless couple duals just to get to the finals where everybody knows they belonged in the first place??? What incentive does PSU have to wrestle all these meaningless duals right before b1g's (winning this title is absolutely meaningless - it is just a fun event to participate in and wrestle for pride and bragging rights). What happened with Mouse today is a good reason why you don't wrestle this type of event, let alone wrestle an "Advancement Dual Tournament" where you need to wrestle 4 meaningless duals to win the thing. What incentive does PSU have to participate in such an event? Why should they want to do such a thing over a meaningless title - it's stupid.
PSU was 16-0 on the season, 9-0 in the B1G
23-14 TD advantage for PSU
1st undefeated, untied season for PSU in 44 years
23-14 TD advantage for PSU
1st undefeated, untied season for PSU in 44 years
Nowhere else does a true freshman football player emergency backup face a returning All-American, gives up 40+ lb, and cuts him to have some fun on feet and get some takedowns -- twice in the same match.
Kinda like how an injury-plagued walk-on chemical engineering grad student reached the podium at nationals, and beat a returning national champ along the way.
Now if only Cael could coach ...
Pretty good match-ups all the way around. Next year we know we will be travelling. I bet they made way more money than they did last year.
I was surprised to hear that OSU just flew in today. Even with all that happened on their team, just seems like a lot for the course of 1 day.
I am all PSU but i did not see where Matt got hurt at all. I watched it 3 times now. When the crowd yelled he was all of a sudden hurt. I am not sure what's going on with Clutch...I have seen his knee a lot more bent in the room and was fine.
The National Duals are about the fans and helping drive the sport forward in the lower level conferences (i.e., everyone outside the BIG). Mouse's injury, while unfortunate, could have happened in any match. Here's hoping he can bounce back over the next two weeks. He's a tough hombre.
What is the injury exactly ? I don't not see any reason why he should have quiet. When the crowd yelled he quiet. Maybe there is something i am missing ? Boyd did not do a thing wrong to hurt his knee. He did have it bent but i see that in every wrestling match. I must be missing something but it's very frustrating cause as soon as the guy was scoring he called for injury time. I wish i knew exactly what the injury was. 3 weeks ago it was just a bruise.
My response was not saying that PSU should not have participated in this event, the response was to a poster saying that National Duals should be expanded to a 2-Day Tournament held at a single location and featuring the need to win 4 Duals to win the Championship. No thanks, what is the point? BTW, forget about the fans because only a small portion would travel, etc... It is pointless to attempt to make a meaning, "fun" event into something it isn't especially when many coaches have no desire to participate in such a format.....and again, why would they want to participate in such an expanded event, what would they get from it? The negatives are significant and the positives are nonexistent.
Abro is another in the long line of losers from Rutgers. A school which does not belong in the B1G.
BTW, it's only on this board that he calls us "Penn State". Go to other boards and he uses more vile names for our school.
Suck it Abro.
The point is to determine the best Dual Match Team (a true team win) instead of the highest scoring team in a TOURNY based scoring format. This year it's easy to see Penn St is head and shoulders above the rest in either format, but most years it is not. A team with 3 or 4 high placed All Americans will always outscore a team of 10 guys who are in the 10-25 range in the tourny based format, but in a Dual Match, maybe not. Actually, probably not.
Like having a baseball game decided by home run derby , OR/AND total strikeouts vs a real baseball game.
What you don't seem to understand is, nobody really cares about the "Dual Championship" all that much. This isn't hoops or football. Am I happy Penn State won? Of course, but it'll be meaningless if we don't deliver next month when it counts. Ask some Minnesota fans, they'll tell you.
Dumbest statement in a post that I have read. At least in a while. Heil was sucking air in the second and was literally dragging his rear off the mat after the match. What he did well was continue to fight off Jimmy's attacks even though he was fatigued.
Pretty sure Zain did not look tired. Frustrated with lack of engagement, but not very tired.
Not really doodles, even in a dual tournament, not every team faces each other and given that duals often come down to match-ups between each teams strengths and weaknesses lie. IOW, you could have a situation where #1 loses to #4 and #2 loses to #3 and two teams that lost to the other two during the conference dual season end up wrestling for the championship, but nobody believes they are truly the best teams, etc... Beyond that, many teams will elect not to wrestle at all or withhold their best wrestlers if this is a multi-day, multi-dual tournament that potentially threatens a team's success at the conference and national post-season tournaments. Winning this event regardless of structure is utterly meaningless relative to determining the "National Champion". A fun event that finds matchu-ups that don't happen often and nice to win, but utterly meaningless in the whole scheme of things.
If Jimmy would wrestle every second of every match with the urgency that he had during the last 130 seconds of that bout, he would be an AA at 141. When he is active and working hard, he can go with anyone but he just doesn't feel the need to do that at the beginning of his matches and it costs him every single time.
I like Abro the little I have seen from our duals from Rutgers. Today wasn't his finest day over on HR
Again, if they didn't bother to match up Penn St vs Iowa, then what was the point of this whole weekend?
Got to like the way Jan keeps wrestling.
You watch or even come to a few practices and you would understand. Wow i am excited about BIG TENS and NATIONALS. Not crazy about them being in Iowa though. Hope we get all 10 through to Nationals. Already have my tickets.
Jan put 100X more effort into trying to win his match than the 149 Oklahoma State kid did. Or I guess a different way of looking at it is Jan's effort trying to win was equal to Collica's (sp?) effort to just keep it close.
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