recent recruits - shows JF has a plan
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I promised myself that I wouldn’t acknowledge your stupidity by replying. So I guess you won that one. Bye the way it’s “ STRATEGY “. And yes it’s great recruiting STRATEGY to get smoked yearly by your biggest rival. Plus I guess it’s brilliant recruiting STRATEGY to get clobbered annually in whatever bowl game in which you happen to play. If it weren’t so sad it would be truly hilarious.
It takes more than a coach to get a school to the level of Bama or Clemson....it takes an administration and a mindset of the entire university. Most schools don’t have that mindset and therefore won’t sink the necessary funds and do the other things necessary, so 9 or 10 wins is about the best you can hope for. There’s a reason a coach like Spurrier could win a NC at Florida but not at SC....hell, Spurrier couldn’t even make SC good until he got the administration to lighten up on the entry requirements to get some of his players into the school. That’s why Bama, Clemson and Oklahoma are there every year and OSU wins the Big almost every year.
This year is the start of a new era. Jim has everything in place for a dominant run !
I'll be blunt. You don't deserve the ranking you're receiving. You've literally done nothing to deserve it. Nothing. Your last bowl win? B1G Championship? B1G East Championship? Just what have you done and you have had tons of talent?
Do you think the grand experiment is dead?
Joe won 11 games in 2005, 2008, and 2009. Franklin won 11 games in 2016 and 2017.
I think it’s more relentless recruiting by CJF and his entire staff. When they miss on a five star kid, they come back and get two four stars at the same position. They are uncanny at identifying under the radar kids and always address areas of need. There have been some misses on five star kids, but there always seems to be another talented kid to take their spot. The perfect example is our LB group that went from razor thin depth with converted S and WRs to one that currently has three 5 stars.
Good catch. But it's also "by the way", not "bye the way"....
Probably why i didn’t get that editing gig at Penn Live.
No, I think there will be a year here and there where we get into the CFP (like ND and Washington did), but I don’t see us ever being a perennial CFP/Big 10 championship team. I don’t think the administration is willing to do what it takes to get to that level. And it’s not just us, I think it’s that way for most schools.
Please stop as you’re being way too hard and logical on Wolve. After all, there are many seasons where UM is the second best team in their state. Doesn’t that count for anything?
I totally agree. I love Franklin. I believe Franklin is a great fit for us. And I believe with all things considered, and how much investment Penn State is willing to make, he & this staff are doing a great job. But, all that being said, unless we begin to get the true big time great players, then we will not be in that "elite" group. I am not knocking it, just stating a fact.
I'll give you an even better example than Spurrier & Florida/South Carolina ..... How about Nick Saban at Mich State. We all forget that Saban was at MSU because his time at MSU was a rather un-remarkable. When Saban was at MSU, they were no better (maybe even worse) than what they are now under Dantoni. Move Saban to an SEC program like LSU which is willing to spend it's very last $$ on football, and allow it's coaching staff to recruit any football player who can fog a mirror, and all of a sudden he's a great coach..... then, put Saban at Bama, where they will spend un-limited resources on it's football program, and they have an unlimited recruiting budget and Saban goes from genius to 'greatest ever'. It was the same Nick Saban at Michigan State.
Michigan State is our tiny little brother and is about to turn into a dumpster fire when Jim - UM starts their incredible run this year. Bye bye Dumbtonio !
Saban was unremarkable any place he coached until he got to the the anti-student, stretch the rules SEC. That's why, in spite of his recent record, I do not consider him a top 10 coach.
Even Jimmy might be able to actually win something in the SEC.
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And I don'r have to stand up and cheer every time Franklin takes a piss. Maybe you do, so I suggest you see a urologist.
Saban was unremarkable any place he coached until he got to the the anti-student, stretch the rules SEC. That's why, in spite of his recent record, I do not consider him a top 10 coach.
Even Jimmy might be able to actually win something in the SEC.
I'm curious. Of your top ten coaches, how many work for schools that are not "anti-student" and don't "stretch the rules?"
Saban was unremarkable any place he coached until he got to the the anti-student, stretch the rules SEC. That's why, in spite of his recent record, I do not consider him a top 10 coach.
Even Jimmy might be able to actually win something in the SEC.
Let's not go crazy. Saban is an excellent coach. Probably one off the top 5 coaches in college football history (Paterno, Saban, Bud Wilkinson...). There is a reason Bill Belichick tabbed Saban to be on his staff with the Cleveland Browns and until today respects him as an excellent coach. And even though LSU and Bama are "easier" places to win than some other schools, there are many coaches who were not successful at either place. LSU & Bama give you every opportunity to win ... and win big ... but you still have to be good enough to take advantage of those opportunities.
But fact is, college football is just not played on equal grounds OUTSIDE of the football field. I remember about 20-years ago when Lou Holtz was on ESPN they were debating the struggles of Notre Dame, and how long it's been since ND won a NC. Lou responded with something like : "Fact is that about half the players on the LSU roster would not even be allowed to be admitted into Notre Dame"........ and Lou was absolutely correct. The un-balance of college football is that some schools are simply allowed to recruit certain players that other schools can not recruit.
Gushing over Saban, who underachieved at every coaching stop he had until he got to the SEC and was allowed to oversign and cut down his roster after Spring practice, by calling him a top 5 coach, is the definition of "going crazy".......
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How many coaches have been at LSU .... How many could not win NCs at LSU??
How many coaches have been at Bama ... How many could not win NCs at Bama ??
These places "set you up" to be successful, but you still have to be good enough to do it.
Luke Fickell was given the reigns of Ohio State. He barely went .500. One would think with the resources & roster at Ohio State a Chimpanzee could win 9-10 games as their Head Coach. Urban Meyer came in to replace Luke Fickell and within a year they were a NC contender.
LSU was a consistent under-achiever winning 7-9 games per year until Saban arrived and within a couple years they were winning a NC.
Bama was willing to pay Saban a zillion dollars to pull him away from the Dolphins.... because Bama was struggling and NOT winning NCs. Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa and Bama began a reign of power.
Let's give these guys some credit. Next you'll be saying that Bill Belichick is not a good coach, he's only won SBs because he was lucky to get Tom Brady.
"Lets..."
Go ahead and give them credit for oversigning and cutting down in order to run 20+% more players through their programs and then end up with a much stronger roster. But I do not, no matter how far you branch out into subjects that had nothing to do with the post you responded to such as trying relate Saban to Belichick.
No, "lets not".
But other coaches who coached at Bama & LSU had the exact same abilities. They do not win NCs. You think Saban is the only coach who "processes" players off his roster?? Jimmy Hairball up in Ann Arbor has been doing it and how many championships is he winning at Michigan? You honestly think that all of these guys who decided to try the transfer portal at Penn State did it on their own.... or do you think that maybe they had a 'heart-to-heart' conversation with the coaching staff, and were "persuaded" that if they want to play college football, they might be better off transferring.....
Your logic is that Nick Saban is the only coach who over-signs and only coach who "processes" players off his roster.
My "logic" is the FACT that Sabin never won anything before he got to the SEC, where he could oversign and cut players giving him an advantage over the non-SEC conference schools. In fact he under-achieved at many of his previous jobs, including the NFL.
Period.
Let's put that FACT into perspective. Saban was a college head coach for six years before his NFL stint. His first was at Toledo, where he wasn't going to "win anything," but he went 9-2. In 1995, he took over at Michigan State where he inherited a team under NCAA sanctions that hadn't had a winning season since 1990. In his first four seasons, his teams hovered just over .500 and finished 9-2 in the games he coached in his last one.
Moving to Miami (which is an apples-oranges comparison) he took over a team that finished 4-12 the previous year. Was 9-7 in his first year and 6-10 in the other.
"Underachieved?" Maybe, but I'd like to know that basis for that conclusion.
So, by your logic that Saban is not a good coach because "he never won anything before he got to the SEC" .... By your logic, Bill Belichick's previous Head Coaching stint with the Cleveland Browns, "he never won anything", so by using your FACTUAL comments & FACTUAL logic, therefore Bill Belichick is not a good coach because he never won anything prior to getting Tom Brady.
Urban Meyer was not a good coach because he never won anything prior to getting to Florida. Urban Meyer never was able to win while he was at Utah. So therefore, FACT Urban Meyer is not a good coach either.
Not sure about Michigan fading, but agree that OSU will have the #1 class in B1G. They are loading up this cycle.
Most of OSU's recruit are overrated. Losing to Iowa and Purdue - I repeat - Iowa and Purdue in consecutive years is a JOKE. That program doesn't deserve all of the high rankings they receive.
Which rent-a-QB free agent is he going to bring in next year?
Go back and read what I posted before making up something to respond to (obviously I never said Saban was not a "good coach", and Urban won more at Utah than anyone ever did which is why he got a chance at FL), as well as your seemingly infatuation with Belichick which also has nothing to do with my factual comment that "Saban never won anything before he got to the SEC, where he could oversign and cut players giving him an advantage over the non-SEC conference schools. In fact he under-achieved at many of his previous jobs, including the NFL. "
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This post is a parody of wacky college football board posts. OSU won a NC in 2014, and it has become shocking when they don't win the Big 10, especially this decade. They are one of the ultimate football factories, and for good reason. Conversely, I can't remember the last time that Michigan even won the Big 10 East. Michigan fans are beginning to sound like many PSU fans between 1995 and 2005 when we rarely sniffed a conference championship.
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wolve1972 said:
In just a few recruiting rankings, yes, OSU has won but what many are not taking into account is STRATEGY. Jim and his staff has carefully selected the players he wants and now has the roster stacked 4 and 5 deep. It's all over for OSU and even the preseason polls agree ! Release the Wolverine in Michigan football !
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Well, not to defend him, but he does have a point...Clemson "carefully selected" #1 overall recruit Trevor Lawrence and look where it got them...how many schools are kicking themselves now for not "selecting" the #1 overall recruit in that cycle?!
wolve1972 said:
In just a few recruiting rankings, yes, OSU has won but what many are not taking into account is STRATEGY. Jim and his staff has carefully selected the players he wants and now has the roster stacked 4 and 5 deep. It's all over for OSU and even the preseason polls agree ! Release the Wolverine in Michigan football !
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Well, not to defend him, but he does have a point...Clemson "carefully selected" #1 overall recruit Trevor Lawrence and look where it got them...how many schools are kicking themselves now for not "selecting" the #1 overall recruit in that cycle?!
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