Regarding officiating!

[kijana]

So, Ohio State fans are crying about PSU only getting flagged once the whole game. It got me wondering, did the refs ever call a holding penalty on OSU? OSU had 8 penalties but those 8 penalties went for only 45 yards so most of them were the obvious illegal procedure type calls. But, I don't remember them getting called for holding which seems strange given the dominant 2nd half performance of Sickels. I find it hard to believe that a DL that had 2.5 sacks and 3.5 total TFLs in one half of play did not get held not once at all during the whole 2nd half.

 

[Limestone_Lion]

I sat in the corner of the north end zone 9 rows off the field (all the touchdowns except for Haley's return were right in front of me), and i know for a fact that i watched (at a minimum), 10 different holding calls that the referee stared right at and did not call. our section went nuts after each one. it worked out in the end because for the first time in a long time, it seemed like the refs let the kids play (see the PI no call for both teams).

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

It's not holding if it is OSU.....the B1G 'politsiya' call it legal offensive tackling. Page 12 in the B1G referees handbook clearly states "Offensive players from UM and tOSU though not permitted to hold, may, unlike offensive players from other B1G programs tackle or grab facemasks or horse collar or clip or chop block or roll up the opposing teams legs as these techniques are apt to injure the opposing teams players and in a more long term manner preserve the desires of the B1G hierarchy."

 

[PSU Soupy]

There was at least one holding call on tOSU and I swear that we had the QB already in the grasp for a 6 or so yard loss when the flag was thrown. It was a holding call that would be declined.

There may have been another....but that one stood out to me.

 

[Madsol]

I think it was the possession where we blocked the field goal but on the third down scramble, there was a blatant hold on Givens as Barret was escaping the pocket to his right. The hold had to have occurred right in front of the referee and was out in the open. Nothing. We would have declined it because Barret only gained a few yards but it should have been called nevertheless.

 

[marshall23]

I can't speak for the whole game. However, the way I was brought up in sports, officials tried hard to let the kids determine the outcome of the game. So, in other words...the obvious and impactful had to be called. But otherwise let them play, ESPECIALLY in the final moments. I like what the officials did in the end.

 

[bplionfan]

Last drive penalties not called
Givens held
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlJImzoW1a08R1K/source.gif

False start
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtgU0lTzJtGw90s/source.gif

Hands to the face
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlRofltXa1Qk8Te/source.gif

 

[joeparules]

O$U was called once for holding, but it was on a play with a 3 yard loss so PSU declined the penalty. This is the one that got me since it was on a third down play where JT scrambled for a first down. I think this falls under the category of "obvious"!?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Last drive penalties not called
Givens held
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlJImzoW1a08R1K/source.gif

False start
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtgU0lTzJtGw90s/source.gif

Hands to the face
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlRofltXa1Qk8Te/source.gif

The last one you list, the uncalled, clear "Hands to the Face" penalty is particularly interesting because it occurred on the play the daO$U faithful are whining about uncalled PI.....and it is way easier to see, before, and far more blatant than the uncalled PI penalty (PSU had two uncalled PI penalties in the game - Thompkins deep down middle of field and Barkley in corner of endzone). IOW amusing that this officiating is being characterized as one-sided and in PSU's favor??? The bad officiating went both ways in this game and had no direct impact on the outcome of the game unlike 2014 which was blatantly one-sided and in daO$U's favor.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

1 flag the entire game and you guys still complain about the officiating?

(Great win by the way, just surprised by this thread)

 

[Madsol]

1 flag the entire game and you guys still complain about the officiating?

(Great win by the way, just surprised by this thread)

Sorry, but I get really tired of stupid posts like this. Fan bases of every sports team at any level, from pee wee soccer to the NFL, complain about officiating, win or lose. Every single one. Yet we get dingleberries to come here and label us as complainers. Tell me, are you going to the boards of every other team, where I'm sure you'll find posts complaining about the officiating, and chastising them as well? Or are we just lucky to have you?

 

[The Spin Meister]

1 flag the entire game and you guys still complain about the officiating?

(Great win by the way, just surprised by this thread)

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This thread is about O-whine -ya complaints about officiating. Posters are posting about how the officiating was bad both ways, the long history of incredibly blatant miscalls in the past, and pointing out calls that were missed in this game. Sorry you couldn't discern the difference.

 

[joeparules]

1 flag the entire game and you guys still complain about the officiating?

(Great win by the way, just surprised by this thread)

Not complaining at all ... just find it funny that one bang-bang non-PI call is being bitched about by O$U fans. Herby even stated he thought it was the correct (non) call. Even if it was blatant PI and not called, PSU would have to get at least a dozen more in their favor to even start making it close since joining the B1G.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

1 flag the entire game and you guys still complain about the officiating?

(Great win by the way, just surprised by this thread)

Wrong dip$hit Shizholian moron - it is the daO$U fans COMPLAINING about the officiating, that it was one-sided in PSU's favor and using it as an excuse for the loss! PSU posters have merely pointed out that the game had bad officiating go both ways and the notion it was as game-impacting and one-sided as the 2014 daO$U-PSU game is laughable. So go back to your own board loser and STFU!

 

[Judge Smails]

http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/Featured-Topics/Penn-State/Report-Card-Buckeyes-vs-Penn-State

Report Card: Buckeyes vs. Penn State
By Tony Gerdeman

Offensive Line: F
J.T. Barrett was sacked six times, but could have been sacked six more. The refs could have called holding on right tackle Isaiah Prince repeatedly. There were penalties. It was the most disappointing pass blocking effort since the national title game against Florida. The running game wasn’t any better. Taking away Curtis Samuel’s 74-yard touchdown run, the Buckeyes averaged 2.4 yards per carry on their other 39 carries.

 

[burghBuck]

I can't speak for the whole game. However, the way I was brought up in sports, officials tried hard to let the kids determine the outcome of the game. So, in other words...the obvious and impactful had to be called. But otherwise let them play, ESPECIALLY in the final moments. I like what the officials did in the end.

Seriously, where is all this "crying by OSU fans" that's talked about in thread upon thread on this board?? I've been on the Ozone and Eleven Warriors and haven't seen anything. I'm sure there were a lot of tweets (like LeBron's) in the moment calling out the PI, but I haven't seen any of those that said it (or any of the other calls/non-calls) robbed OSU of a win. Your team won the game by playing hard, gritty, determined defense and making the most of its opportunities and OSU executed poorly at critical times (in particular on special teams). The officials (as usual) made some frustrating calls and non-calls on both sides, but none of them decided the game. Great win and good luck the rest of the way.

 

[interrobang]

The flag for OSU's holding was thrown when it became obvious Barrett was going to be sacked.

 

[interrobang]

http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Foot...Penn-State/Report-Card-Buckeyes-vs-Penn-State

Report Card: Buckeyes vs. Penn State
By Tony Gerdeman

Offensive Line: F
J.T. Barrett was sacked six times, but could have been sacked six more. The refs could have called holding on right tackle Isaiah Prince repeatedly. There were penalties. It was the most disappointing pass blocking effort since the national title game against Florida. The running game wasn’t any better. Taking away Curtis Samuel’s 74-yard touchdown run, the Buckeyes averaged 2.4 yards per carry on their other 39 carries.

I'd be livid as an OSU fan with their OL performance. Six sacks in one game when you had given up only five all season.

 

[Judge Smails]

Count the holds on this play.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Count the holds on this play.

Actually, is that Samuel's TD run??? Let's see #74 - blatant hold and takedown of Bell...#73 blatantly holds Windsor....#66 holds onto Cothran's jersey from behind and ALL THREE are directly at the "point of attack" that free up the runner, but not one flag on any of them - UNREAL.....

 

[lionroar88]

Last drive penalties not called
Givens held
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlJImzoW1a08R1K/source.gif

False start
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtgU0lTzJtGw90s/source.gif

Hands to the face
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlRofltXa1Qk8Te/source.gif

In the last GIF it looks like Givens (#30) was also held?

Count the holds on this play.

I got 4 on their OLine - The entire right side of their OLine and the LG. And the Umpire was staring at them the whole time! Also looks like a hold on the WR on Halley at the bottom of the screen near the end.

 

[psulion2001]

BIG Shizolian REFS!!!!!!

 

[lionroar88]

Seriously, where is all this "crying by OSU fans" that's talked about in thread upon thread on this board?? I've been on the Ozone and Eleven Warriors and haven't seen anything. I'm sure there were a lot of tweets (like LeBron's) in the moment calling out the PI, but I haven't seen any of those that said it (or any of the other calls/non-calls) robbed OSU of a win. Your team won the game by playing hard, gritty, determined defense and making the most of its opportunities and OSU executed poorly at critical times (in particular on special teams). The officials (as usual) made some frustrating calls and non-calls on both sides, but none of them decided the game. Great win and good luck the rest of the way.

It is called being CRITICAL, not whining... dip shit.

 

[jwinslow]

Seriously, where is all this "crying by OSU fans" that's talked about in thread upon thread on this board?? I've been on the Ozone and Eleven Warriors and haven't seen anything. I'm sure there were a lot of tweets (like LeBron's) in the moment calling out the PI, but I haven't seen any of those that said it (or any of the other calls/non-calls) robbed OSU of a win. Your team won the game by playing hard, gritty, determined defense and making the most of its opportunities and OSU executed poorly at critical times (in particular on special teams). The officials (as usual) made some frustrating calls and non-calls on both sides, but none of them decided the game. Great win and good luck the rest of the way.

Yeah, I haven't really seen much of this. Naturally some folks were salty about that call but I haven't heard much about it at all. Have I heard some talk about the penalty? Sure, but it was grossly dwarfed by about a dozen other bigger reasons they lost and most of the flag complaints included qualifiers that said it wasn't why they lost anyway.

Things that OSU fans have actually griped about heavily:

Passing scheme
Route running
WR talent
Special teams decisions (rushing out FG, PR Wilson continuing to be a fumble waiting to happen) and blunders (OSU's middle blocker inexplicably running upfield to let your blocker have a free alley).
Misuse of Curtis Samuel
OL getting abused
OL talent (stupid but common gripe)
OL coaching (former stud coach Warinner switched to OC/TE, new guy this year)
Protection schemes (rarely leaving a TE or RB in to help, even to chip)


There were plenty of bad calls in that game and plenty of holds and clips as both QBs ran for their lives frequently. If they call that as interference (which it clearly was yet you have the "you can't make that call in that situation" complexity muddying the waters), maybe OSU escapes with a win in a game they should have lost with so many mistakes. Maybe they get sacked again after that play or make another special teams blunder. JT had a ton of unreal plays to escape danger. In the end he stopped beating the odds of PSU obliterating the OSU OL.

 

[Tweedbear]

Marshal 23 get serious. Too many officials think they are the game.

 

[CDLionFL]

I was jumping off my couch at the **TWO STRAIGHT** false starts by the left tackle on the final drive that somehow no one caught. I even think Herbie may have mentioned it on the replay of the first one.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Seriously, where is all this "crying by OSU fans" that's talked about in thread upon thread on this board?? I've been on the Ozone and Eleven Warriors and haven't seen anything. I'm sure there were a lot of tweets (like LeBron's) in the moment calling out the PI, but I haven't seen any of those that said it (or any of the other calls/non-calls) robbed OSU of a win. Your team won the game by playing hard, gritty, determined defense and making the most of its opportunities and OSU executed poorly at critical times (in particular on special teams). The officials (as usual) made some frustrating calls and non-calls on both sides, but none of them decided the game. Great win and good luck the rest of the way.

Because there's no internet beyond these boards.

 

[irncty]

I thought the officiating was overall very good. They allowed the play on the field to decide the outcome. I don't mind the missed hands to the face and holding calls provided the same leniency is going both ways. Although the number of penalties was unbalanced 8-1, the majority of the calls were the non judgement call type like false start type stuff. Ohio St got away with several calls as did Penn State. In the end, the referees pretty much stayed out of the way. People should be relieved of this....not bitching about wanting more penalties and stoppages. As long as it's fair and consistent, everyone should be happy.