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I was at Rec Hall in 1969 to see the Schalles-Chatman match. As oldcougar noted, Chatman was cruising easily with something like a 5-2 lead, riding Schalles tough, and all of a sudden Schalles pulled off that elevator and it was over in seconds. Rec Hall went wild! I went to SCHS, and Schalles's last loss in HS was to a SC wrestler. Don Rockey beat Schalles at Districts in 1968. Two funky wrestlers went at it, and Rockey won something like 10-8 (not sure of exact score). Schalles was transformed between his junior and senior years of HS (reportedly by a Russian coach, although I'm not positive about that).
Here's an interesting article about Chatman:

https://observer-reporter.com/colum...cle_a578dd76-4b97-11ea-885c-c7d368205d37.html
 
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I see Iowa has 17 scheduled so far assuming Sacred Heart and Buffalo is considered 1 meet. Am I remembering any of this right?
There is a limit on competition dates (not meets) before conference and nationals. Buffalo and Sacred heart is considered one (your assumption is correct). NWCA has only Cassiopi from Iowa, so that one doesn't count for the team. So I count 16. Couldn't find the limit.
 
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There is a limit on competition dates (not meets) before conference and nationals. Buffalo and Sacred heart is considered one (your assumption is correct). NWCA has only Cassiopi from Iowa, so that one doesn't count for the team. So I count 16. Couldn't find the limit.
The limit used to be 16 dates. Unless that's changed in the last year or two, that would be the number. I believe that they also allow once a season to have a 2-day tournament count as 1 date or 2 duals on successive days count as 1 date. I could be wrong on that, but that's what I recall.
 
I still remember the '69 states. John Chatman of Trinity was a returning state champ and considered invincible by some. The match was going according to plan when Schalles threw that elevator in the 3rd period and decked Chatman. Even after that, I thought I'd never hear of Shalles again. Shows how much I knew. Strangely, one of the other state champs that year practiced with my team just before states. Bill Luckenbaugh dislocated my ankle in that practice. Pissed me off, too -- the next day I was scheduled to wrestle that year's national champ and was psyched.
You have me a little curious here. If you were going against Luckenbaugh in practice, I assume you guys were about the same weight. That means you were scheduled to wrestle either Dwayne Keller or Wayne Boyd depending on which year's national champ you were talking about. Am I correct?
 
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There is a limit on competition dates (not meets) before conference and nationals. Buffalo and Sacred heart is considered one (your assumption is correct). NWCA has only Cassiopi from Iowa, so that one doesn't count for the team. So I count 16. Couldn't find the limit.
NWCA doesn't count no matter what as it is not an NCAA event. I think the limit is 17, but cannot confirm that.
 
I still remember the '69 states. John Chatman of Trinity was a returning state champ and considered invincible by some. The match was going according to plan when Schalles threw that elevator in the 3rd period and decked Chatman. Even after that, I thought I'd never hear of Shalles again. Shows how much I knew. Strangely, one of the other state champs that year practiced with my team just before states. Bill Luckenbaugh dislocated my ankle in that practice. Pissed me off, too -- the next day I was scheduled to wrestle that year's national champ and was psyched.
True story: Schalles was in the tunnel at Rec Hall talking to Jerry White, just minutes before White was about to wrestle, and showed him a move that would work, and moments later White went out, used the move and pinned his opponent. Schalles, to me, is the 2nd greatest of all time, just ahead of Gable and just behind Cael.
 
I was at Rec Hall in 1969 to see the Schalles-Chatman match. As oldcougar noted, Chatman was cruising easily with something like a 5-2 lead, riding Schalles tough, and all of a sudden Schalles pulled off that elevator and it was over in seconds. Rec Hall went wild! I went to SCHS, and Schalles's last loss in HS was to a SC wrestler. Don Rockey beat Schalles at Districts in 1968. Two funky wrestlers went at it, and Rockey won something like 10-8 (not sure of exact score). Schalles was transformed between his junior and senior years of HS (reportedly by a Russian coach, although I'm not positive about that).
Back then they only took the winners to States. It was absolutely crushing for everyone. It's a fact that Nate Carr won a freaking OLYMPIC BRONZE medal then later that year in Regionals he lost to Henry Green of Huntington 8-6 in probably the biggest upset in PIAA history and didn't make Hershey...making it the first and last time almost certainly ever that an Olympic medalist actually lost at the state level.
 
Back then they only took the winners to States. It was absolutely crushing for everyone. It's a fact that Nate Carr won a freaking OLYMPIC BRONZE medal then later that year in Regionals he lost to Henry Green of Huntington 8-6 in probably the biggest upset in PIAA history and didn't make Hershey...making it the first and last time almost certainly ever that an Olympic medalist actually lost at the state level.
I think you’re getting your Carrs confused. That’s understandable because it’s a big family of great wrestlers and people. It was Jimmy Carr who lost to Green if I remember correctly.
 
NWCA doesn't count no matter what as it is not an NCAA event. I think the limit is 17, but cannot confirm that.
It’s 16, but two instances of up to two duals or one tournament in a three-day span counts only once towards that limit. So a Friday/Sunday dual weekend counts once, or a two-day tournament (the Collegiate Wrestling Duals applies here)

Note: The language actually allows for any of the major two-day tournaments to stretch to three days and count as one date of competition, but no tournament has actually tried this yet.

Note 2: the rule mentioned also applies towards the five dates allowed for true freshmen before their redshirts get torched.

Edit to add: As mentioned, the NWCA All-Star Classic is exempt from a date of competition. If it ever comes back, NWC* N*t**n*l D**ls (censored in case a Sanderson ever reads this post…LOL) would be exempt as well.
 
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picked up my upenn season tickets today. not a banger schedule, but they are advertising preferred access to ncaa championship tickets. that may be an added benefit if i can convince my wife to take care of our kids by herself on our anniversary so i can go to oklahoma.
 
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Note 2: the rule mentioned also applies towards the five dates allowed for true freshmen before their redshirts get torched.
So if the dates are picked judiciously (say, CKLV and a couple of other tournaments/duals), some of these "redshirt freshmen" could have more matches than Spencer Lee this season?
 
I think you’re getting your Carrs confused. That’s understandable because it’s a big family of great wrestlers and people. It was Jimmy Carr who lost to Green if I remember correctly.
correct Nate didnt win the bronze till after college!
 
picked up my upenn season tickets today. not a banger schedule, but they are advertising preferred access to ncaa championship tickets. that may be an added benefit if i can convince my wife to take care of our kids by herself on our anniversary so i can go to oklahoma.
So you’re a Quaker fan. Do you by any chance know Dr Benz (aka Dr Benzene) who is a big supporter of the program?
 
It’s 16, but two instances of up to two duals or one tournament in a three-day span counts only once towards that limit. So a Friday/Sunday dual weekend counts once, or a two-day tournament (the Collegiate Wrestling Duals applies here)

Note: The language actually allows for any of the major two-day tournaments to stretch to three days and count as one date of competition, but no tournament has actually tried this yet.

Note 2: the rule mentioned also applies towards the five dates allowed for true freshmen before their redshirts get torched.

Edit to add: As mentioned, the NWCA All-Star Classic is exempt from a date of competition. If it ever comes back, NWC* N*t**n*l D**ls (censored in case a Sanderson ever reads this post…LOL) would be exempt as well.
Thank you. SHP to the rescue as always. :)
 
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So you’re a Quaker fan. Do you by any chance know Dr Benz (aka Dr Benzene) who is a big supporter of the program?

wouldn't call myself a huge quaker fan at this point, but i had a good enough time at the psu dual at the palestra last year that i figured it was a good deal for the price
 
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You have me a little curious here. If you were going against Luckenbaugh in practice, I assume you guys were about the same weight. That means you were scheduled to wrestle either Dwayne Keller or Wayne Boyd depending on which year's national champ you were talking about. Am I correct?
You win the washer and dryer. It was Wayne Boyd.
 
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A lot of guys are going to have more matches than Spencer Lee this season. Nearly all of em.
I would actually not be surprised if true freshmen wrestled less this season than they had been in past years in a majority of cases. Remember that they aren’t allowed to wrestle unattached during the first semester at all, which will likely more than counteract the five-day allowance…
 
I would actually not be surprised if true freshmen wrestled less this season than they had been in past years in a majority of cases. Remember that they aren’t allowed to wrestle unattached during the first semester at all, which will likely more than counteract the five-day allowance…
Refresh my memory: is NCAA defining this as after fall finals week, or first day of spring classes, or some fixed calendar date such as Dec 31?

Because unless it's end of finals, we will see no true freshmen competing at New Orleans Collegiate Duals.
 
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Refresh my memory: is NCAA defining this as after fall finals week, or first day of spring classes, or some fixed calendar date such as Dec 31?

Because unless it's end of finals, we will see no true freshmen competing at New Orleans Collegiate Duals.
The article below says this:
The rules state that the “period that occurs during the student-athlete's first academic term of full-time enrollment” is subject to eligibility rules for men’s wrestling.

PSU Finals end Dec 16 and graduation is Dec 17. Taking the above statement literally (yes, I know, that's gotten me into trouble before) freshmen could compete after that at, say the Wilkes Open on Dec 22. If the purpose of the rule is to encourage better academic performance of freshmen in the first semester, then it follows that once finals are over, they may compete. Hopefully this is clarified a little better before the season begins.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling...ollege-wrestling-rules-ahead-2022-2023-season
 
My memory is a bit hazy, but I thought I remembered a discussion on this board a year or so ago concerning the number of meets that a team could schedule in a season. It seemed like the figure was 12-15 and was set by the Big 10 conference.. I see Iowa has 17 scheduled so far assuming Sacred Heart and Buffalo is considered 1 meet. Am I remembering any of this right?
There is a limit on competition dates. I believe a date is considered a 24 hour period. Since Iowa's meet at Army is at 6:00 and the next meet starts at 5:30 the following day, that is considered one competition date. So with two consecutive meets on Nov 18, three meets can be squeezed into one competition date. We did something similar a few years ago against Michigan & MSU as one competition date over two days in less that 24 hours.
 
I would actually not be surprised if true freshmen wrestled less this season than they had been in past years in a majority of cases. Remember that they aren’t allowed to wrestle unattached during the first semester at all, which will likely more than counteract the five-day allowance…
Probably. What I'm saying is, Lee is wrestling on not one but two surgically repaired a.c.l.s
 
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October 4. No schedule.

Did Cody go to Vegas, have a bender with hookers & blow and get stuck on the rooftop of Caesars?
 
There is a limit on competition dates. I believe a date is considered a 24 hour period. Since Iowa's meet at Army is at 6:00 and the next meet starts at 5:30 the following day, that is considered one competition date. So with two consecutive meets on Nov 18, three meets can be squeezed into one competition date. We did something similar a few years ago against Michigan & MSU as one competition date over two days in less that 24 hours.
False. That said, the rule you are looking for is that twice a year, a school can count up to two duals (ie. Friday at Michigan/Sunday at Michigan State in your example, there are hundreds of such cases in a given season) or a tournament (CKLV, Collegiate Wrestling Duals, Midlands, Southern Scuffle, Virginia Duals) within a three-day period as a date of competition.
 
October 4. No schedule.

Did Cody go to Vegas, have a bender with hookers & blow and get stuck on the rooftop of Caesars?
That shuffling of papers you hear is the ticket office doing their thing. I leave it to you to say exactly what it is that they do, but, I think it reasonable to say that we will have a schedule by late today or tomorrow.
 
Refresh my memory: is NCAA defining this as after fall finals week, or first day of spring classes, or some fixed calendar date such as Dec 31?

Because unless it's end of finals, we will see no true freshmen competing at New Orleans Collegiate Duals.
End of finals, but the first semester only applies to the no-competing-unattached portion of the rule, the dates of competition can be used anytime during the season.
 
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