And Levis and M
Yet he developed McSorley, Levi
It won’t feel better to a majority of fans. The complaints will just be different.
So if Franklin leaves, does Yurcich leave too and then Allar decommits?
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One definitely under-performed while at PSU (Oweh), the other is hard to argue developed at PSU since he obviously trained and got ready for the draft without PSU.
There are numerous lists that have been provided. I suggest we start the behind the scenes conversations and get one lined up.
Most have acknowledged Franklin’s job early in his tenure….but that was 5 seasons ago and we are regressing. Appears clear a ceiling has been reached.
How about a list of coaches that could lose that game Saturday, how it was lost, and with a large talent differential. The list would be might small.
It is time.
I don't recall too much complaining about the coaching in the OSU losses. I do recall people remarking that their line just pushes our line around.
It's the losses to Indiana and Illinois that are tough to accept.
Losing to a team that you should beat because of talent is infinitely worse than just being beaten. I think 95% of the fans would agree with that.
Agreed. But even occasional losing to teams we should beat (easily) would be tolerable if it were somewhat balanced by wins against teams we should lose to…where is that list? It is mighty small.
Yes Illinois was bad. It’s one game. We shut out Indiana.
95% would agree today. After we lose no way. People would be clamoring for a coach who is a better recruiter.
Not to mention the fact that he has his name tied to every coaching job out there. Jimbo didn't mince words, shut down the GD rumors instantly....the week after he beat BAMA and had leverage. I get he wants more, but holding the school, fans, players, and recruits hostage each year is a BS move. You can do it when you're on top, not when you go 4-5 and then lose to Illinois at home. Sorry, but that game is over.
You have no idea what he says to the school, players and recruits . They all seem satisfied every year.
Well there are a number of them who post here regularly.
I’m sure he is talking about last year’s Indiana fiasco.
It is one thing to lose on the road to Iowa when the QB gets hurt (and a smidgen of a capable backup still likely wins the game), it is another with the Ill and Ind games.
I would hope nobody is suggesting fans should expect an annual occurrence of these types of games.
Grow up. I mean seriously grow up. How the hell is Franklin holding the school hostage? By not responding to every rumor made up by some nose-picking dweeb sitting at a computer. If he did, he wouldn’t have time for much else. Franklin said after the USC rumors first surfaced that he was making sure the coaches, players and recruits knew how things stand. A few days later a recruit who previously de-committed, re-committed.
Devin Brown - who's ranked right around where Allar's ranked - is now taking an official visit and seriously giving OSU a look. He's currently committed to USC (a train wreck right now).
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I have to agree with @LaJollaLion. While I can see your point about him not responding to every rumor, he has of yet to come straight out and say "No. I am NOT going anywhere. I am here for the long haul" a la Jimbo. Instead he talks without talking. Leaves A LOT of room for ambiguity. He isn't a dumb person. he knows exactly what he's doing.
THAT SAID, I listened to Josh Pate and he had a great take on this which kind of ties them together. He said PSU doesn't have the players with the skill level to let the helmet win the game for them. By that, he meant PSU isn't Alabama or tOSU or UGA where they can just show up after a bye week against a 2-5 team at home and play guys in the 2-3 deep and the name on the helmet will get you the win. PSU still needs GAF. PSU still needs great coaching. Now.... maybe this is why CJF continues to "hold the program hostage" because he knows better facilities means higher end recruits. Maybe he continues to "hold the program hostage" because he knows keeping higher end coaches around longer than 2-3 years is key to getting those higher end recruits. But I honestly think we're at a critical juncture. Does the product on the field mean he no longer holds the power to be able to leverage these open jobs for more $$ to pay for facilities and keep his coaches to attract higher end recruits? Or are we at a point where, I think we all can say, that clearly the BOT does not prioritize football the way those other schools (tOSU, UGA, Bama.... etc) do, which means we are what we are and save for the planets all aligning, we're a perennial top 10-15 team that'll continue to lose to tOSU 90% of the time?
Wake up....I mean seriously wake the f--k up. At what point do you realize he is playing both sides of the fence here and has for years? I assume you didn't see Jimbo emphatically deny any interest at all.....James sure as sh!t hasn't done that.
Yes. If there was any concern a recruit or player would leave and say they think it might leave. Has never happened
You have no idea of the conversations he is having with his agent or why he isn't coming out with a hard denial. He believes he has leverage, well he's got about 5 games left to keep it. It's not hard to say you're all in and he doesn't do it on purpose. There are only so many times you can drink from that well and this last weekend took a huge chunk out of that well. If he loses again this weekend he'll be on a 3 game losing streak after going 4-5 the year before, but he wants to shop himself around every year. Sorry, I'm not the thank you sir may I have another.
Parsons switched positions out of high school and you're saying he didn't develop at PSU? GTFOOH with that nonsense. Oweh was seen as a project with not much football played in HS then was drafted in the first round and is starting on one of the best defenses in the NFL. You can't be serious with this nonsense.
All of the Franklin-era NFL guys sucked at PSU. They only learned to play football after PSU.
Dani Davis Sutton, a 2022 5 star number 1 DE according to Rivals, said he's choosing PSU because they develop and put players in the NFL at his position. If he wants to talk about questionable game day coaching, I won't argue. Player development? GTFOOHAll of the Franklin-era NFL guys sucked at PSU. They only learned to play football after PSU.
I would say that Parsons was going to be good, no matter what. It's clear that HE thought he didn't need an extra year at PSU to continue to develop. For right or wrong. Now if Parsons were a 2 star out of high school, and went in first round after 4 or 5 years, you'd have a much better case.
Didn't Oweh have zero sacks for us? Just saying that isn't very good. Perhaps he really was that talented, and we just misused him?
question - what will losing 5 games in a row do to the recruiting class? This is very likely scenario and it could be worse with Maryland and Rutgers chomping to run on us.
Problem is PSU base, fans are doing their part. Whiteout, stripe outs and creating great environment for recruiting. When does Franklin bring some stability to staff? Trautwein is not answer obviously. MY is not a long term play. This is Moorhead 2, auditioning for HC gig except IL loss set that back. In reality, if they leave, immediately offer Dave Clawson. Wake Forest scored 70 points on Army with little recruiting stars. Consistently wins the close ones and very competive agaisnt tough teams. He is from upstate NY, coached Fordham and no allegiance to Big Ten. Fickell would not stay. It would be speculation all the time, waiting on SEC, OSU to come calling.
I’m guessing a coaching change will be much more disruptive to recruiting than five straight losses. Every recruit cites Franklin as one of the reasons they are coming to PSU
Ok so Alabama sucks at player development too because they are all 5 stars and would be good no matter what?
It means that it's hard to assign the success of a 5 star player to "development" because there is so much natural talent.
How many 2 and 3 star players did you develop? That's probably a better measure.
That's actually a pretty good question - which 2 or 3 stars did we develop into NFL caliber players. Maybe Nassib is a good example.
Sorry but PSU won 4 straight to close out 2020 after disastrous start. He had 2019 Cotton bowl to showcase strong season and set-up 2021 and tout 2020 was anomaly. We got alot of press love after UW win..alot. They even gave us a pass on IA but now IL took shine off. We lose 5 straight, you will see decoms. Mark it down.
Well we aren’t going to lose five straight so it will be hard to prove. I do know if Franklin goes so will most of the top recruits
Since you're the one that's curious, here's the list.
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Where is the next win? They couldn't beat 2-5 ILL at home with 2 weeks to prepare. Maybe Maryland? Rutgers?
This team relies on 1 person for its success, Clifford. He got the shit knocked out of him and was completely ineffective against ILL. You think he's going to heal up against OSU? Mich? MSU?
The only shot at another win is to sit him against OSU and pray he's effective against MD. Then sit against Mich and pray again against Rutgers. And if MD or Rutgers can get penetration up the middle against this swinging gate OL, PSU will lose those games also.
Nice try. It was reported last week he was taking visits. Nothing to do with Saturday
It was reported this morning that he has decommitted:
Louisiana DB Jordan Allen decommits from Penn State
106 minutes ago2022 Lafayette Christian Academy (La.) defensive back Jordan Allen announced early Monday morning on Twitter that he's decommitting from Penn State, where he committed to in July, and is reopening his recruitment.
Not a huge deal in isolation. But when the top end talent starts to leave, it will get ugly quickly. Kids can read the tea leaves better than most of us give them credit.
This was on the board before the game. Don't cream your pants just yet.
He has been predicting decommits after every loss for years. Broken record
