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So if Franklin leaves, does Yurcich leave too and then Allar decommits?

I don't recall too much complaining about the coaching in the OSU losses. I do recall people remarking that their line just pushes our line around.

It's the losses to Indiana and Illinois that are tough to accept.

Losing to a team that you should beat because of talent is infinitely worse than just being beaten. I think 95% of the fans would agree with that.
You don’t have a very good memory then. Go back and read the threads.
 
Where is the next win? They couldn't beat 2-5 ILL at home with 2 weeks to prepare. Maybe Maryland? Rutgers?

This team relies on 1 person for its success, Clifford. He got the shit knocked out of him and was completely ineffective against ILL. You think he's going to heal up against OSU? Mich? MSU?

The only shot at another win is to sit him against OSU and pray he's effective against MD. Then sit against Mich and pray again against Rutgers. And if MD or Rutgers can get penetration up the middle against this swinging gate OL, PSU will lose those games also.
So Clifford has the only injury in the world that doesn’t get better with time…got it.
 
So Clifford has the only injury in the world that doesn’t get better with time…got it.
Did you watch the God damn game Saturday? He had 2 weeks to heal and try to play against a lousy ILL team. He got hit and looked terrible the rest of the game. And you think it's going to get better for OSU? Think he will make it through the OSU game?

Maybe your brain is starved for oxygen from kissing Franklin's ass so much.
 
If, if, if :rolleyes:

If Franklin leaves...
If Franklin gets fired...
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon
If I correctly pick all 5 numbers and the Powerball I will be a millionaire
If we score more points than the other team we will win

If a song by Bread

 
Did you watch the God damn game Saturday? He had 2 weeks to heal and try to play against a lousy ILL team. He got hit and looked terrible the rest of the game. And you think it's going to get better for OSU? Think he will make it through the OSU game?

Maybe your brain is starved for oxygen from kissing Franklin's ass so much.
Where did I say he would be better by OSU, Einstein? Posters are acting like he’s going to be hurt the whole year which is why we won’t beat Maryland or Rutgers. His injury will heal….that’s what injuries do. Maybe you over exerted your brain trying to read and understand at the same time.
 
I will way in on this. I do not want Franklin to go, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see how bad Saturday was. There is a wide area in between stating the game plan Saturday was awful and wanting him fired. But for some that isn’t possible.
 
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Where did I say he would be better by OSU, Einstein? Posters are acting like he’s going to be hurt the whole year which is why we won’t beat Maryland or Rutgers. His injury will heal….that’s what injuries do. Maybe you over exerted your brain trying to read and understand at the same time.
It will heal if he rests. If he plays, O$U will beat him senseless. In all seriousness, I am concerned for the kid’s health…he should not have played this week and he most certainly should not play next.

Actually the smart play is to sit him. This game is not going our way or even close. It will be a name the score type of showing by O$U. Perhaps Franklin and his apologists will finally realize just where we are at as a program . And the negative trajectory.
 
I will way in on this. I do not want Franklin to go, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see how bad Saturday was. There is a wide area in between stating the game plan Saturday was awful and wanting him fired. But for some that isn’t possible.
Exactly, it is all or nothing with some. Why can't it be both. Nobody likes to lose.
 
Of course all of this is speculation, but it's worth considering. I'm guessing Yurcich is a big part of why Allar is committing to PSU and if the HC and OC are gone, why would the #1 QB in the Nation go to such a chaotic situation?
Yes, indeed, it is speculation. Thank goodness.
 
It will heal if he rests. If he plays, O$U will beat him senseless. In all seriousness, I am concerned for the kid’s health…he should not have played this week and he most certainly should not play next.

Actually the smart play is to sit him. This game is not going our way or even close. It will be a name the score type of showing by O$U. Perhaps Franklin and his apologists will finally realize just where we are at as a program . And the negative trajectory.
If he’s medically cleared to play, every coach in the country would play him, but keep finding ways to blame Franklin. And you already know it will be a blow out, so save yourself some misery and don’t watch it. That’s what a normal person would do.
 
If he’s medically cleared to play, every coach in the country would play him, but keep finding ways to blame Franklin. And you already know it will be a blow out, so save yourself some misery and don’t watch it. That’s what a normal person would do.
You have to take a little bit of a longer term view with Cliff. We should have been able to handle Illinois with a back-up. But alas, we were not ready for the mighty Fighting Illini.
 
It means that it's hard to assign the success of a 5 star player to "development" because there is so much natural talent.

How many 2 and 3 star players did you develop? That's probably a better measure.

That's actually a pretty good question - which 2 or 3 stars did we develop into NFL caliber players. Maybe Nassib is a good example.
I would have to go back and look at their ratings but what about Nick Scott, Armani O, Marcus Allen, Adrian Amos, Kevin Givens. Probably not 2* but I bet most of those were in the 3* range.
 
I would have to go back and look at their ratings but what about Nick Scott, Armani O, Marcus Allen, Adrian Amos, Kevin Givens. Probably not 2* but I bet most of those were in the 3* range.
How about a guy named McSorley?
 
The question is if Franklin leaves, how long til the jackals turn on the next guy? Two games? Three? Maybe five if they’re generous?
 
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If he’s medically cleared to play, every coach in the country would play him, but keep finding ways to blame Franklin. And you already know it will be a blow out, so save yourself some misery and don’t watch it. That’s what a normal person would do.
Agree with you on most things Penn State football (and Collies), AWS. And, this is exactly what this "normal person" is going to do. Never done it, but too old for, and tired of, the misery.
 
I don't know. I must say, I'm not getting any younger. And I'm sick and tired of saying, "Well, maybe next year...", only to be disappointed yet again.

Hey, even if we could act like we're having a little fun out there. You know, some enthusiasm? How about Franklin chews someone a new ass once in awhile? Instead, when things look like they're going south he slips deeper into the sideline.

Look, I genuinely like the guy. I think he's a solid recruiter. But he's severely lacking as a game day coach.
 
JEEBUS,
Just shut this thread down.
James is not going anywhere and it is disgusting that alumni of this university are advocating the removal of James in football. As an engineering student of this university, also my son, my grandson graduating in PSU LAW, another granddaughter finishing her BS and acceptance into PSU LAW SCHOOL, and my granddaughter Lilli who is going to make a tremendous impact teaching children and involved with high school field hockey.....
Success in Football should not be the main goal of this university, although the family I mentioned above and a few other grandkids that are attending other universities seem to believe that Penn State football is a revalient part of their education.
GO FIGURE, the kids like James
 
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Does that include three 11 win seasons? Or is that not enough for the next guy either? And the jackals were turning on Franklin in year two.
I am a late comer to this party…evidence obvious now in that a ceiling was reached in 2016 and we are in decline…that should be quite apparent now (if heads are out of sand)…I left the bandwagon after the 2020 Indiana travesty…
 
JEEBUS,
Just shut this thread down.
James is not going anywhere and it is disgusting that alumni of this university are advocating the removal of James in football. As an engineering student of this university, also my son, my grandson graduating in PSU LAW, another granddaughter finishing her BS and acceptance into PSU LAW SCHOOL, and my granddaughter Lilli who is going to make a tremendous impact teaching children and involved with high school field hockey.....
Success in Football should not be the main goal of this university, although the family I mentioned above and a few other grandkids that are attending other universities seem to believe that Penn State football is a revalient part of their education.
GO FIGURE, the kids like James
Maybe just shut down the program then? What about the will to compete? Why do you think PSU produces so many CEOs? Competitors all. Give us a competitor and he will be supported to the hilt.
 
Maybe just shut down the program then? What about the will to compete? Why do you think PSU produces so many CEOs? Competitors all. Give us a competitor and he will be supported to the hilt.
Why don't you give it a rest?

You've stated your position. But it's speculation and opinion.
 
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Maybe just shut down the program then? What about the will to compete? Why do you think PSU produces so many CEOs? Competitors all. Give us a competitor and he will be supported to the hilt.
Well, Entering the Penn State University in 1967 and being involved with athletic programs since that time, if your assessment of the athletic program is "the program is floundering"
...shut the athletics down. I'm assuming that you have donated as much as Kar and I to the Levi Lamb Foundation then you should have a say in the direction of the athletics program.
If not, shut the **** up ...good night this 72 yr old has work tomorrow.
 
Well, Entering the Penn State University in 1967 and being involved with athletic programs since that time, if your assessment of the athletic program is "the program is floundering"
...shut the athletics down. I'm assuming that you have donated as much as Kar and I to the Levi Lamb Foundation then you should have a say in the direction of the athletics program.
If not, shut the **** up ...good night this 72 yr old has work tomorrow.
Well pardon me…I hope you don’t insult and use vulgar language with people you disagree with like that all the time? Not a good look.

And you have no idea of my background - both as an alum and a supporter of the Athletic program.

Sleep well working class hero.
 
Well pardon me…I hope you don’t insult and use vulgar language with people you disagree with like that all the time? Not a good look.

And you have no idea of my background - both as an alum and a supporter of the Athletic program.

Sleep well working class hero.
We know that you go on endlessly and have a high opinion of yourself.

The little "sleep well working class hero" is a nasty close that reflects your character. Whatever points you have are being lost with your endless repetition and disdain for other opinions.
 
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