The 15

[tikk10]

Here are the 8 OSU guys going
125 Daton Fix
133 Gary Wayne Harding
141 Kaden Gfeller
141 Mike Magaldo
149 Tristan Moran
165 Joe Smith
184 Austin Marsden
HWT Blake Andrews

Not a bad JV squad

 

[Used2BEerie]

There is at least one person listed as unattached. I saw Colby Smith listed as unattached, didn't think to look for Okie State guys though.

After further review, I found 2 persons listed as Unattached, still doesn't change the point about Lee and his redshirt being intact.

 

[burnsie1983]

Fix is a title threat....and a fully healthy JoJo would be too.

 

[tabenn]

Fix is a title threat....and a fully healthy JoJo would be too.

I agree with you on Fix, But JoJo I dont think so--even if 100% healthy- not this year anyway.

 

[NoVa Lion]

I agree with you on Fix, But JoJo I dont think so--even if 100% healthy- not this year anyway.

Also agree on Fix, but not JoJo even next year with Cenzo and Massa, although you never know how much any given wrestler may improve. This tournament will probably tell us a lot about how good he will be up at 165.

 

[1AA]

Here are the 8 OSU guys going
125 Daton Fix
133 Gary Wayne Harding
141 Kaden Gfeller
141 Mike Magaldo
149 Tristan Moran
165 Joe Smith
184 Austin Marsden
HWT Blake Andrews

Not a bad JV squad

Second place team?

 

[a_mshaffer]

Just remember that Professional Wrestling is a viable enterprise. With that sobering thought in mind, I think it’s incumbent on each and every one of us to make sure our sport maintains its integrity and isn’t morphed into something that “sells”.

long way away from that...

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

Confirmation from whom? Unless they're serious, "bumps and bruises" is about all you can expect from our staff when it comes to injury disclosures. Needless to say, if a starter isn't in the lineup for some reason, this doesn't automatically mean he's struggling making weight.

exactly right. we didn't know the details of why Cenzo was not wrestling. could be an injury. could be weight. could be both! or could be something else. FRL is a talk show so they're going to talk about what it could be. I don't know for sure what it was so I took out any reference to what it could have been out of the article.

can't please everyone all the time but I think that's the about best we can do for now!

 

[tabenn]

exactly right. we didn't know the details of why Cenzo was not wrestling. could be an injury. could be weight. could be both! or could be something else. FRL is a talk show so they're going to talk about what it could be. I don't know for sure what it was so I took out any reference to what it could have been out of the article.

can't please everyone all the time but I think that's the about best we can do for now!

could be a combination--like his shoulder popped out during the Bing match, so he sat the Classic out, he came back from Thanksgiving heavy and did not wrestle Lehigh--- or something like that--either way the coaches will not show their hand until they have to.

 

[nitlion6]

Fix is a title threat....and a fully healthy JoJo would be too.

JoJo isn't beating Joseph, healthy or not.

 

[NoVa Lion]

exactly right. we didn't know the details of why Cenzo was not wrestling. could be an injury. could be weight. could be both! or could be something else. FRL is a talk show so they're going to talk about what it could be. I don't know for sure what it was so I took out any reference to what it could have been out of the article.

can't please everyone all the time but I think that's the about best we can do for now!

I don't remember the exact words used on the FRL show, but my memory is it was not speculation. They said something like the rumor was reason Cenzo was out was he couldn't make weight. They never stated the source of said rumor and it was not reported anywhere else which is why many were down of Flo. They either fed a rumor without verifying it or worse they just made it up. You can understand why some might take exception to that.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

I don't remember the exact words used on the FRL show, but my memory is it was not speculation. They said something like the rumor was reason Cenzo was out was he couldn't make weight. They never stated the source of said rumor and it was not reported anywhere else which is why many were down of Flo. They either fed a rumor without verifying it or worse they just made it up. You can understand why some might take exception to that.

well I can guarantee you they didn't make the rumor up.

but otherwise yes it is perfectly okay to take exception with the rumors what they choose to discuss, encouraged even! that's how talk shows work. the best way to avoid those discussions is to not listen, but I would never actually encourage anyone to do that!

 

[dropster45]

long way away from that...

Only a pile-driver or atomic knee-drop away. I’m guessing you’re a big fan

 

[CropDuster507]

I like the Flo guys because they say what we all don't want to diplomatically say, and therefore they piss off a fan base, weekly.

I remember talking shit about Midlands one year at the Clash. Just going in on it. Little did I know, Brandon Precin's mom was sitting next to me, taking it personally. She was cool about it.
Point is, when they say some sly shit about another team or individual, we don't care. When it has to deal with PSU, we get pissy. Don't be like that. Take the coverage, or don't click onto their website. It's pretty simple.

 

[dropster45]

Well just as they so brashly say “what we all don’t want to diplomatically say”, so can we do the same in providing feedback for their show. I think they’re big enough to be able to handle the feedback and hopefully can use it to make their program better. If they don’t like what we say about them, they don’t have to visit here.

 

[El-Jefe]

I don't remember the exact words used on the FRL show, but my memory is it was not speculation. They said something like the rumor was reason Cenzo was out was he couldn't make weight. They never stated the source of said rumor and it was not reported anywhere else which is why many were down of Flo. They either fed a rumor without verifying it or worse they just made it up. You can understand why some might take exception to that.

Rumor = somebody else's speculation.

 

[CropDuster507]

Well just as they so brashly say “what we all don’t want to diplomatically say”, so can we do the same in providing feedback for their show. I think they’re big enough to be able to handle the feedback and hopefully can use it to make their program better. If they don’t like what we say about them, they don’t have to visit here.

touche.

 

[funkisfun12]

I'm a big fan of Flo. They send a ton of wrestling info and coverage right to our living rooms, phones, workplaces (I'll just speak for myself on that one). They would be better served to simply speak of the facts that they can confirm. In CP's defense, if I remember right, he said "I'm hearing weight" on the FRL show in regards to Cenzo. I can live with that, apparently that's what he's hearing. But to edit an article stating that a wrestler has missed time due to injury because you don't know that there was an injury? Just leave it out, right? Your content is good enough without it.

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

But to edit an article stating that a wrestler has missed time due to injury because you don't know that there was an injury?

I don't know what that sentence means but here's what happened: I wrote the article about the PSU Scuffle entries. When I got to Cenzo I wanted to mention that he's been out of action for a while. I remembered reading that the local radio announcer said Cael said Cenzo got injured at the Binghamton match, but not the specifics. So I wrote in the article that Vincenzo has been out since Bingo with an injury. Then the article got published.

Then I read this thread and remembered the rumors about the weight issues, and then tried to look up more on Vincenzo's injury and couldn't find anything, so I edited the article to remove any reference to the injury.

I thought about leaving it in, since I think it's a safe bet that Vincenzo suffered some kind of injury. After all, who is ever absolutely 100% completely free of any injuries, bumps or bruising during a wrestling season? But then I took it out anyway.

It would be cool if had an official injury report so I wouldn't have to rely on usually totally excellent and braggable memory but I'm not expecting that anytime soon.

This is already way more explanation than any of this is worth but I'm taking a break from Scuffle previews so I figure I'd take the time to give you a peak behind the curtain at our process.

 

[jrd23psu]

It's like the View or Fox and Friends.

By the way, I see Willie as Rosie, and CP as Barbara Walters.

Two of the worst and almost universally despised shows on cable. Why would we want anything wrestling related to feel like either of those worthless things?

 

[nerfstate]

All about those demographics? If Whoopi or Barbara talked about 141 rankings, or PD3 shenanigans, there's a chance I might tune in.

 

[funkisfun12]

I was wrote the article about the PSU Scuffle entries.

As I don't know what this sentence means.

If Cael claimed that Cenzo was out due to an injury at Binghamton, I missed it, and I apologize. I haven't seen any talk of that here on the board. If Cael did say it, well that's a damn good source I guess. But you were still compelled to edit?
You are right in that this discussion has gone too far. I appreciate what you guys do, and am looking forward to your Scuffle coverage.

 

[dunkej01]

I don't know what that sentence means but here's what happened: I wrote the article about the PSU Scuffle entries. When I got to Cenzo I wanted to mention that he's been out of action for a while. I remembered reading that the local radio announcer said Cael said Cenzo got injured at the Binghamton match, but not the specifics. So I wrote in the article that Vincenzo has been out since Bingo with an injury. Then the article got published.

Then I read this thread and remembered the rumors about the weight issues, and then tried to look up more on Vincenzo's injury and couldn't find anything, so I edited the article to remove any reference to the injury.

I thought about leaving it in, since I think it's a safe bet that Vincenzo suffered some kind of injury. After all, who is ever absolutely 100% completely free of any injuries, bumps or bruising during a wrestling season? But then I took it out anyway.

It would be cool if had an official injury report so I wouldn't have to rely on usually totally excellent and braggable memory but I'm not expecting that anytime soon.

This is already way more explanation than any of this is worth but I'm taking a break from Scuffle previews so I figure I'd take the time to give you a peak behind the curtain at our process.

You could also say/add he took the mat against IU albeit they forfeited to him but he was ready to rock.....

For those not knowing the situation could leave a reader thinking he could still be hurt

 

[Jaroslav Hasek]

As I don't know what this sentence means.

Pretty obviously a typo, no?

But yeah that's the whole point. We don't have a clear cut comment from Cael. So I felt "compelled" to remove a reference to a "reasonably" assumed injury in absence of said confirmation. Stuff like this happens all the time. We include everything we can to make the articles as informative as possible. Sometimes we edit them after they've been published for clarity. Other times we don't catch those little things or we do and we leave the articles unedited anyway.

Appreciate the attention to detail from you guys though. Keeps us on our toes!

 

[TangSoo]

Here are the 8 OSU guys going
125 Daton Fix
133 Gary Wayne Harding
141 Kaden Gfeller
141 Mike Magaldo
149 Tristan Moran
165 Joe Smith
184 Austin Marsden
HWT Blake Andrews

Not a bad JV squad

Did Harding once kill a man for snoring? Or am I thinking of someone else?

 

[LemonPie]

Here are the 8 OSU guys going
125 Daton Fix
133 Gary Wayne Harding
141 Kaden Gfeller
141 Mike Magaldo
149 Tristan Moran
165 Joe Smith
184 Austin Marsden
HWT Blake Andrews

Not a bad JV squad

Andrew Marsden

 

[findtheStrength]

Are expectations too high to say Nick Lee finishes top 2?

 

[tikk10]

Andrew Marsden

Good catch. I just pasted Flo's mistake without noticing. I imagine they'd give the same excuse, wherever they got this list from.

 

[LemonPie]

Are expectations too high to say Nick Lee finishes top 2?

No. I'd be bummed with anything less. There's a goo chance there won't be an AA at this weight.

 

[RoarLions1]

Always good to see the PSU redshirts at this tourney. With the NLO not happening for the past couple years, and the Keystone Classic not an open tournament, the Scuffle is among the best, if not THE best, place to hit top talent. I know it's down a little this year, but it's still challenging, and win or lose, the guys (and the coaches) see how they stack up under the lights.

With a good number going, looks to be a fun time.

 

[Used2BEerie]

No. I'd be bummed with anything less. There's a goo chance there won't be an AA at this weight.

141 looks to be a relatively weak weight at the scuffle, top 3 IMO are Karam, Cortez, and Lee.

 

[RoarLions1]

Fyi...only ranked guys going right now at 141 are No. 7 Josh Alber, #17 Luke Karam, and #19 Russ Rohlfing. Alber recently beat Red, Thorn, and Rohlfing at Cliff Keen, and his only 2 losses on the year are to Diakomihalis.

 

[burnsie1983]

JoJo isn't beating Joseph, healthy or not.

I may be a little too high on JoJo....but i think he gave Nolf the toughest match of his career,other than Imar, 2 years ago at the scuffle...twas one of the few times I was even remotely concerned during a Nolf match. I guess that match just left an impression on me.

I'd certainly favor Cenzo over JoJo.

 

[LemonPie]

141 looks to be a relatively weak weight at the scuffle, top 3 IMO are Karam, Cortez, and Lee.

I might put Gfeller and Prince ahead of Cortez. Not sure if Prince is healthy, however.

 

[El-Jefe]

Prince has beaten Meredith in his career, so he'll be a real handful if healthy.

 

[billrag]

I may be a little too high on JoJo....but i think he gave Nolf the toughest match of his career,other than Imar, 2 years ago at the scuffle...twas one of the few times I was even remotely concerned during a Nolf match. I guess that match just left an impression on me.

I'd certainly favor Cenzo over JoJo.

In fairness, JoJo kept the score relatively close, but I never felt like Nolf was in any sort of trouble and I'd agree that he's highly unlikely to beat a healthy Joseph.

 

[nitlion6]

Did Harding once kill a man for snoring? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Back in the 70s and 80s, if you were working on a gulf of Mexico oil platform and you snored someone was eventually going to kick your ass. Some of those rumbles looked like someone was hoing to kill someone for snoring.

 

[nitlion6]

I may be a little too high on JoJo....but i think he gave Nolf the toughest match of his career,other than Imar, 2 years ago at the scuffle...twas one of the few times I was even remotely concerned during a Nolf match. I guess that match just left an impression on me.

I'd certainly favor Cenzo over JoJo.

Smith did keep it close and of course some were convinced he would close the gap at nationals. Good Lord, Jason has extracted a price from JoJo everytime since.

 

[El-Jefe]

Smith did keep it close and of course some were convinced he would close the gap at nationals. Good Lord, Jason has extracted a price from JoJo everytime since.

"Close the gap on Jason." Funny how people thought that was possible. Easier to close the gap on Michael Strahan.

 

[tabenn]

Cenzo and Marsteller at Scuffle---should be interesting! 1 vs 11 shouldnt be that close, but I believe that it will be!