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The Big 12 has put forth a proposal to overhaul the NCAA’s transfer rules

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Saw the article this morning..

If the NCAA Tweaked Its Transfer Rules, Would a Recuiting Rules Tweak Follow?


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If players are free to transfer when a coach leaves, how likely is it that the incoming coach would get a chance to make up for that attrition right away? Plus, Florida State's intriguing quarterback situation and the rest of this week's .

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Andy Staples
January 31, 2018


I’m sorry if this is getting posted a little later than I’d like. Some schools proposed rule changes that are actually sensible, and I fainted…

From Shane: [If the NCAA adopts the transfer rule idea the Big 12 proposed, it] has to effect signing totals. If a team loses tons of players due to coaching change, then the coach replacing him will have to be given opportunity to oversign and replace them. Or is that too logical for the NCAA to implement?

The Big 12 has put forth an excellent proposal to overhaul the NCAA’s transfer rules, and it addresses nearly every criticism of the current transfer restrictions placed on athletes.
Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports broke the news on Tuesday, and the public response to the idea—which would have to get support from other leagues and then be voted on later by the schools—has been overwhelmingly positive. Before I address Shane’s specific question, let’s look at the broad strokes for an idea that would apply to all sports under the NCAA’s purview.

• The graduate transfer rule—which allows graduates to transfer and play immediately—would remain unchanged.

• Coaches and athletic directors would no longer be allowed to block an athlete from transferring on scholarship to a specific school.

• Undergraduates who transfer would have to sit out a year with three key exceptions:

1. An undergraduate could transfer and play immediately if that player’s head coach leaves the school or gets fired. A player would not be allowed to follow a coach to that coach’s new school without sitting out a year.

2. An undergraduate could transfer and play immediately if that player’s program is sanctioned by the NCAA.

3. An undergraduate could transfer and play immediately if that player is a walk-on.

This idea contains more common sense than the entire NCAA Division I manual, and the cynical among us remain skeptical that the schools would exercise so much common sense while overhauling some of the NCAA’s most athlete-unfriendly rules. But this might come to pass. At the very least, the new rules are going to ban coaches and ADs from blocking players from transferring where they choose on scholarship. While everything else seems up for debate, this seems non-negotiable. That by itself is proof the people who run college athletics have been paying attention and know they need to do something before a court steps in and forces something more drastic.

As for letting players leave when their coach leaves, this would address concerns about millionaire coaches having freedom of movement while players—whose compensation is capped by a bunch of colluding schools—can’t move freely between institutions. The players whose coaches move would be free to move. This would give players whose coaches leave a chance to reassess their options without completely opening up transfers—which probably wouldn’t be manageable

That piece, if enacted, wouldn’t cause a mass exodus every time a coach left or got fired. Some players certainly would leave. But most players wouldn’t want to leave their teammates or their campus or their major. It’s hard to transfer as an undergraduate independent of sports. Most players would stay.

The NCAA sanction piece might cause waves of players to leave a program depending on the situation, but consider when this actually happened a few years ago. When the NCAA punished Penn State over the Jerry Sandusky scandal—the sanctions were later repealed—all of Penn State’s football players were free to transfer and play elsewhere immediately. Only a handful actually left.

That was a long preamble to answer Shane’s question, but yes, I think such a rule change would need to include some language to allow schools to replenish a roster if a huge chunk of a team left. Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard said as much to Dodd. I don’t know how often that scholarship limit flexibility would need to be used, but it would need to be included for extreme cases.

As to whether it’s too logical to be implemented, I never thought I’d see the day when schools proposed rule changes this sensible. So I’m pretty optimistic that logic would be employed to deal with potential consequences.

 
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If transfer restrictions were eliminated, I think that one of the first things we would discover is:

The "kids" - in whole - are a hell of a lot less greedy, more loyal, and of higher character than a lot of their coaches.



Look at it from the other perspective: coach gets fired. Usual reason is a less than stellar record. Kids on those types of teams would be more prone to transfer.

As far as "tweaking" recruiting rules, probably not necessary. Not uncommon for a team to be 2-3 bodies short under normal circumstance. If and when it gets to double digits,,,,well, a school could always petition the NCAA to allow it to carry-forward initial signers as USC did to accommodate Silas Redd.

And while we're at it, what about the impact on basketball?
 
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Those are not bad guidelines.

Give it time. The morons who run college sports have a proclivity to shoot themselves in the foot.

Methinks the NCAA is taking some prophylactic action in anticipation of Kessler. Got news for them assholes: it ain't gonna help.
 
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Pandora's box anyone?

I'll bet most coaches will absolutely love this idea. And G-5 schools will hate it. Talk about letting the rich get richer.

Lousy coaches would have exponentially better job security, and guys like Scott Frost could cherry pick anyone on his current UCF roster and recruiting class, bring them to Nebraska, and just let them redshirt for a year.
 
As far as the impact on a program, need to look at who almost more than how many transfers/transfer. Lose a starting QB and top RB and you are screwed. And if the framework extends to the NLI, which may be likely but is no means a given, it just gets better and better.

ADs who plan to fire coaches would do well to have successors in line to minimize damage. But then imagine all of the turmoil those sorts of actions would create. My guess is that most schools would be able to weather it, but some are going to fvck it up royally.
 
Pandora's box anyone?

I'll bet most coaches will absolutely love this idea. And G-5 schools will hate it. Talk about letting the rich get richer.

Lousy coaches would have exponentially better job security, and guys like Scott Frost could cherry pick anyone on his current UCF roster and recruiting class, bring them to Nebraska, and just let them redshirt for a year.

This is the biggest problem. Any small school that reaches a certain level of success can be completely looted by a big school. Coach & roster. Virtual death sentence for the smaller school.
 
As far as the impact on a program, need to look at who almost more than how many transfers/transfer. Lose a starting QB and top RB and you are screwed. And if the framework extends to the NLI, which may be likely but is no means a given, it just gets better and better.

ADs who plan to fire coaches would do well to have successors in line to minimize damage. But then imagine all of the turmoil those sorts of actions would create. My guess is that most schools would be able to weather it, but some are going to fvck it up royally.

It further makes it stupid to promote from within to head coach. It will always be better to hire from outside and get some players along with a coach.
 
This is the biggest problem. Any small school that reaches a certain level of success can be completely looted by a big school. Coach & roster. Virtual death sentence for the smaller school.
This is what happens, for example, in international soccer--where you can sign players to advance contracts to a new team even before the season ends. One season my Gladbach team finish 4th--and before that season had finished, their best three players had already signed for the next season with the three teams above them. One even missed a deciding penalty kick vs his new team in a Cup match (and yes, he probably just missed it, but the optics of the whole thing...).

Can you see a kid refusing to play in a bowl game because he knows he's going to transfer...

I'm not sure it makes a big difference in football--but basketball?? It could, especially if they get rid of "one and done", as is possible. One player can make a huge difference.
 
This is what happens, for example, in international soccer--where you can sign players to advance contracts to a new team even before the season ends. One season my Gladbach team finish 4th--and before that season had finished, their best three players had already signed for the next season with the three teams above them. One even missed a deciding penalty kick vs his new team in a Cup match (and yes, he probably just missed it, but the optics of the whole thing...).

Can you see a kid refusing to play in a bowl game because he knows he's going to transfer...

I'm not sure it makes a big difference in football--but basketball?? It could, especially if they get rid of "one and done", as is possible. One player can make a huge difference.
Could see redshirt shenanigans also. A coach that knows he will leave & bring players along could burn their redshirts like crazy knowing they have to sit a year anyway if they follow him. (Allowing that year to be a redshirt)
 
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