Sandusky has claimed to love all kids and young people. This makes it even stranger that he started his charity for only boys at first. Hmmm
The Second Mile was ONLY for BOYS
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Also telling that his State Licensed Adoption and Foster-Parenting Activities which started in the early 1970s was basically focused only on boys - 6 of the 7 adopted kids were boys and 100% of the Foster Children assigned to Sandusky (which numbers well into double digits I believe via his group homes, etc....) was focused only on boys. His initial Group homes organized through the State in the very early 1970s were even called "Group Homes for Wayward Boys".....
Also telling that it was all done with the approval and imprimatur of the State of Pennsylvania and it's Agencies and Childcare Entities from the very GET GO, including the dual-regulators of Children-Dedicated Charities, the OAG and DPW!
FWIW, everybody should read that article.
Abused boys before they even got there.
Referrals from the court. Etc.
These are elephants in the room that so many people seem to not be able to see. (There are other elephants crowding the room. IDK why all that anybody can see is JVP.)
Abused boys before they even got there.
Referrals from the court. Etc.
These are elephants in the room that so many people seem to not be able to see. (There are other elephants crowding the room. IDK why all that anybody can see is JVP.)
Sandusky had 6 kids, not 7. And he did have female foster kids - his daughter was actually a foster kid before he adopted her.
Geez, some people here are so eager to call out the media for not getting the facts straight but can't do the same thing themselves. I guess some people are too eager to buy into conspiracies about The Second Mile because it gives them some sort of comfort. Maybe they think shifting blame onto The Second Mile (with zero evidence) will make the media shift blame away from Penn State and Paterno. People who hate Penn State will always hate Penn State, no matter what you say about the Second Mile.
I wouldn't read too much into that. People would have thought it creepy if he had said he was starting a charity for young girls, don't you think?
Sadly, cases like this make people question the motives of anyone who wants to get involved with youth, whether it be Little League, Scouts, church groups, or anything.
Sadly, cases like this make people question the motives of anyone who wants to get involved with youth, whether it be Little League, Scouts, church groups, or anything.
This was a TSM issue long long before it became a PSU issue.
"....shifting blame to TSM (with zero evidence)....."????!!!!
I just have to say ----- WTH are you talking about ??
This whole thing was about shifting the blame TO PSU WITH ZERO EVIDENCE
all trails should have lead to TSM in the first place
C'mon man - you really need to understand by taking the position you are only harms more children !
Get it thru your head please - shifting the blame to PSU only harms more children!
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Well, 'ol Rayko said, "Are you trying to tell me that Jerry Sandusky is a pedophile? Because if you are, you're out of your mind".
That's good enough for me, right there.
Well, 'ol Rayko said, "Are you trying to tell me that Jerry Sandusky is a pedophile? Because if you are, you're out of your mind".
That's good enough for me, right there.
That's right. They said it was a "non-incident." So hey, they know what they're talking about, they're the professionals.
Was it "unusual" that he would start a "foundation" that was focused only on boys? Or that someone else might start one focused only on girls?
In and of itself.....no IMO
I imagine similar "one gender focused" organizations are not uncommon today.
I imagine many folks think that the specific issues - and the most effective programming - might be somewhat different for the "boy" vs "girl" demographic.....which would make focusing on one gender a sensible and logical pathway.
Now, obviously - in HINDSIGHT - it raises red flags.
But contemporaneously? I doubt it.
Did you really claim "zero evidence" for The Second Mile?
We've got to recruit better........trolls around here.
does this get to the heart of it or what? sub in "little boy" for "little girl"... and this is exactly the end result we should be getting.... a bomb up this professional's tailpipe.
Even if Raykovitz and other Second Mile leaders never received one complaint about Sandusky's behavior (doubtful), the EVIDENCE shows that Sandusky was gaining access to his victims through The Second Mile. The people in charge of The Second Mile had an obligation to ensure the safety of the children in THEIR CARE and they failed miserably.
I don't see how anyone can deny that.
I see that you have some free time now that all the documents are shredded, Dr Jack.
More earth shattering, late breaking news from John. Living up to your twitter nickname again I see.
I'm not a troll, but believe what you want to believe. I believe Penn State was falsely accused, but I also believe that people here are engaging in the same kind of behavior they accuse the media of....
I'm not shifting blame to Penn State OR The Second Mile. I think Sandusky is to blame for Sandusky's actions.
Oh my God... the Vienna Boys Choir.... Keep digging.... Boy Scouts...too,,,,and we all know about Alter Boys! Go Figure.
On that point we agree........however, being experienced in this field as I am it disheartens me when someone accuses others about shifting the blame from the agency who was legally mandated to care for the children to a football coach, program (and alumni) to settle petty personal and political jealousies.
You insinuated that you have a problem with those who "shift the blame to TSM"......
My point is simply this-after the perpetrator himself, TSM should have always been the MAJOR FOCUS of everyone involved - therefore, anyone who diminishes that focus enables children to be harmed
What about Sir Denis Eton-Hogg? He was knighted for founding Hoggwood, a summer camp for pale young boys. What was that about?
Baaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhhaaahaaaa! LMFAO, so this is your idea of sticking to "facts"? You might want to try reading the DPW's 2008 "Indicated" Report of CSA upon V1, Aaron Fisher, that was turned over to Law Enforcement in the first months of 2009 (or Corrupt Corbutt's mis-plead SWIGJ Application 2 months later on 5/1/2009) BECAUSE ALL OF THE DPW & LE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE THAT SANDUSKY HAD ILLICITLY USED THE CHARITY TO ACCESS AND VICTIMIZE V1 and LIKELY used the same "modus apperandi" of using his own personal charity (where he was founder and the most powerful regulatory-listed "Control Person) to access OTHER VICTIMS, past & present, to groom and sexual abuse them which is specifically why the DPW/CYS BANNED The Second Mile and their programs from their jurisdiction (all of Clinton County) as a result of the "Indicated Report of CSA" in regards to V1. Yea, other than those DOCUMENTED FACT, there's no evidence TSM was involved.....LMFAO "Mr. Facts"!!! And that would be laughing at you and your bull$hit, not with you!
All great and correct if AF was actually victimized. Of ALL the V's, I wouldn't bet a thin dime on him telling the truth.
If you're not a troll, you might as well pick a new screen name and start over. No way to recover from:
"Maybe they think shifting blame onto The Second Mile (with zero evidence) will make the media shift blame away from Penn State and Paterno. People who hate Penn State will always hate Penn State, no matter what you say about the Second Mile."
We should always question the motives of those who want to get close to kids. Not accuse, but definitely keep an eye on. We have LL coach in my hometown who has no children and can’t coach to save his life, but he is out there every year running a team and umpiring games. I not saying the dude is doing anything wrong, but I find it a bit odd. So yes, I’m keeping an eye on him.
Sure at the time it likely didn't raise red flags Barry. However the point of highlighting this is that in the interviews he has given Jerry stated how much he loved all children, boys and girls, his whole life. This point seems to question exactly how true that is. It's not a smoking gun by any means, just something I found interesting in paging the archives.
I am not sure I would have become a youth soccer coach had it been after 2011. And I'm not currently one. I know I was very careful around the kid (now a soph at college) I did big brother stuff with--like always contacting through his mom, etc.
As you should. Still, I love kids--it's just my wife and I were not able to have them and were then too old to adopt when this became clear. I suspect I'm not at all alone in that. That said, I was happy in a number of cases that they got to go home to their own families after the game/practice/etc.
I had never considered this as a possibility. Thanks for coaching. Without volunteers coaching teams, these leagues are doomed.
At the very least TSM should have been a huge part of the investigation. That is where Jerry got to hand pick his victims and the charity was worth millions of dollars. It should have been the primary place to start the real investigation.
I think some here exaggerate the witch hunt mentality. I coached U6 boys and somehow I never once had to be alone with any child nor would I allow it. The parents were expected to be there and it was there responsibility to have someone else present if they couldn't attend. The days of drop and go away for an hour are pretty much over. Everyone brings out their chairs and then they all leave together. Even with the older kids the parents coordinate rides with each other and good parents don't allow their kids alone with grown adults they don't know. Jerry hand picked kids that he could get alone and were troubled. It's sad that some sick SOB's will prey on kids, but good people that can use common sense should be able to avoid a witch hunt. Jerry wasn't a victim of a witch hunt, he created one that took down quite a few innocent people.
I think some here exaggerate the witch hunt mentality. I coached U6 boys and somehow I never once had to be alone with any child nor would I allow it. The parents were expected to be there and it was there responsibility to have someone else present if they couldn't attend. The days of drop and go away for an hour are pretty much over. Everyone brings out their chairs and then they all leave together. Even with the older kids the parents coordinate rides with each other and good parents don't allow their kids alone with grown adults they don't know. Jerry hand picked kids that he could get alone and were troubled. It's sad that some sick SOB's will prey on kids, but good people that can use common sense should be able to avoid a witch hunt. Jerry wasn't a victim of a witch hunt, he created one that took down quite a few innocent people.
Yup. Boys Town...and the rest you listed....each and every one of those organizations has had to deal with it.
People IGNORED it because he played the humanitarian card via his charity. He wasn't coaching a kids baseball team and picking the kids from solid homes. I would hope normal people are not afraid to coach as it only takes common sense as to avoid any misconceptions. That was my only point.
Yes, boys from broken homes. Is the answer to ignore them, not give them 1 on 1 attention from male role models? Big Brother is founded on that principle and incidents have been extremely rare. Why would Big Brother or TSM need to help kids from solid homes?
There's a direct conflict between "wanting to protect kids" and "wanting to help kids, " isnt there?
There's a direct conflict between "wanting to protect kids" and "wanting to help kids, " isnt there?
