We clearly have more issues than Clifford, but Clifford is clearly awful. It's more than obvious at this point. We need more than a "game manager" who can't even make simple throws.
Time to play Allar here on out
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After Ohio State not before. Allar's going to struggle some (he didn't look good today) so you wait until Minnesota (who still has a decent D) and Ohio State are done so you set him up to build confidence going into 2023.
With Allar it was start him at Purdue or after Ohio State--no in between
With Allar it was start him at Purdue or after Ohio State--no in between
Yeah, why aren't you okay with that?
Allar's not beating Ohio State--you put him in the best position to develop
It's like the Steelers with Pickett and Tomlin was an idiot for allowing his first start to be against Bills--followed by Tampa, Miami and Philly. You put him in the best position to succeed as he's the key to the future.
Come on--you know this season is shot regardless of who's playing QB
No he's not. Have you watched the new OSU defense this year. I posted this on another thread
I went over to the OSU - Eleven Warriors and found an article that said they fired their whole defensive staff (minus Larry Johnson) and brought in DC Nowles (sp?) whose defenses are strictly designed to plug up the middle for runs and harass the QB. They play a lot of man on man in the secondary and he was hired because of the way Michigan ran the ball down OSU's throat last year. Nowles even said to expect 3 or 4 big plays against them every game but in his eyes that's the price for stacking the line. You can bet that they're going to make that Michigan QB beat them in November
In other words, if you think your QBs faced pressure today, wait until you play OSU and that's not the best situation for a true freshman QB
Clifford won't be any better. Give Allar the experience. it will help him and us in the long run.
I agree. No better way to learn than to play the best and take your lumps. This team isn’t beating OSU any way.
It's not losing on purpose. We're not beating Ohio State regardless and truthfully Clifford likely gives us the better chance to win that game. We aren't making the playoff or winning the conference this year--you know it and I know it. So you develop the young guys while still trying to win but you do it at the right time. That's after Ohio State
Clifford is horrendous. No he doesnt give us the best chance to win. Hes getting worse.
Allar isn't ready--that was obvious today and throwing him to the wolves only hinders his development. Clifford really wasn't the problem today. If he was "a problem" it was way down on the list.
And Cliffords ready????? He cant throw a 10 yard hitch. Worst PSU QB game in years.
Exactly. All these people saying don’t put him in vs OSU are crazy. Play him
You did watch Roberson last year, right?
Listen--if you say you're just excited to see Allar and want him to start even though you realize the best thing for his development to play the last 4 I'd be cool with that but there's no logic in thinking it's best for Allar to start him the next two weeks.
You never put a young QB in a position where he's going to fail--never.
I'm not--you said Clifford played the worst game in years--that's not factual or even a reasonable statement.
You've watched football before in your life, right?
Development of QBs is critical. His first 2 start should not be Minnesota and Ohio State
He should have 4 starts this year plus a meaningless bowl game (aka scrimmage) before WVU and Delaware next year prior to Big Ten play.
This isn't complicated or about being a pussy. He's our future--you plan accordingly.
Losing today ended our season since we all know we aren't beating Ohio State--no one here is that delusional...no one.
That’s nonsense. Play the game. Get out there. I mean do you think every QB in the history of football started in the ideal situation? At some point you have to play. Minnesota is the time to do it ( actually Purdue was the time to do it as I would have told Clifford not to come back)
But there's no need not to give him an ideal situation
It doesn't even make sense not to
We agree that Purdue was the time to do it--now it's after Ohio State
Just like Pickett should have started against Cincinnati then since Tomlin's an idiot he needed to wait until after the bye week
You never put a QB in a position to fail.
It's all moot anyway--there's no chance barring injury Allar starts the next two games
You didn't say start
I don't understand why you're mad about this. Hope Allar starts because you dislike Clifford and want to see him. I'm focused on the big picture.
No. After ohio state. Give Allar some time next week. Clifford is thrown to the wolves against OSU. Allar finishes the season as a tune up for next year. No need to ruin his confidence or get him hurt against OSU.
Starting Allar against OSU is probably a disservice to the young man as it would not help his confidence and is a recipe for disaster.
Besides, I’m not convinced he is the answer to the QBs issue. He seems to lack mobility, though his mechanics are better than SC.
Besides, I’m not convinced he is the answer to the QBs issue. He seems to lack mobility, though his mechanics are better than SC.
He's not being thrown to the wolves--he has a ton of career starts
Here's where I think the disconnect is...you want Allar because you want to see Allar and hate Clifford, right?
The rest of us want to prepare Allar for next year and that means waiting until after the Ohio State game. We aren't winning anything meaningful this year so why would we subject Allar to that game? What's the benefit other than fans want to see him?
Long term--we aren't winning this year
Honestly, starting Allar doesn't fix any of our biggest issues with is the OL and LB core. It's just subjecting him to getting destroyed and hindering his development.
Respectfully, you don't know what 'sense' is. You don't start a freshman QB with 0 or 1 starts against OSU. 2022 is done. Allar isn't beating OSU. He gets 5 games under center to build on for next year.
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It seems the OL, DL and LBs are the weakest positions, less so the QB.
If you watched OSU this year, they just flat out bring it and a lot of times leave their DBs one on one. They rotate 10 to 12 DL - they're extremely deep. The QB they are most vulnerable to are the QBs with legs that can get away from the pressure - like that Toledo QB who ran few a few 1st downs. Completely different philosophy than they had last year. Not an ideal situation for Allar who could get killed back there. Seriously, if you thought Michigan brought pressure, wait til OSU - Allar will have to make quick decisions
Don't make Allar a sacrificial lamb against OSU - bring the kid along slowly. His time will come but don't get him killed against OSU
QB is not your biggest problem. Your OL, and especially DL and LBs are - it was obvious today. Go back and watch Michigan's games against Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana and concentrate on the LOS. You'll see they stacked up OK against Michigan
