You mean like jj McCarthy this year in Columbus at the shoe? Go back to your Michigan board troll.You never put a young QB in a position where he's going to fail--never.
You mean like jj McCarthy this year in Columbus at the shoe? Go back to your Michigan board troll.You never put a young QB in a position where he's going to fail--never.
No, Michigan was smart and went to their stud young QB during their cupcake schedule to start the season to prepare him for today and future big games.You mean like jj McCarthy this year in Columbus at the shoe? Go back to your Michigan board troll.
In all fairness, JJ McCarthy played some last year and is a redshirt freshman.You mean like jj McCarthy this year in Columbus at the shoe? Go back to your Michigan board troll.
Why do you assume there is an ideal situation? There isn’t. Get on the fieldBut there's no need not to give him an ideal situation
It doesn't even make sense not to
We agree that Purdue was the time to do it--now it's after Ohio State
Just like Pickett should have started against Cincinnati then since Tomlin's an idiot he needed to wait until after the bye week
You never put a QB in a position to fail.
It's all moot anyway--there's no chance barring injury Allar starts the next two games
There is an ideal situation--the next two weeks are not thatWhy do you assume there is an ideal situation? There isn’t. Get on the field
A wrinkle - Clifford may be hurtThere is an ideal situation--the next two weeks are not that
I don’t think Allar is the type of kid who will lose confidence regardless.No. After ohio state. Give Allar some time next week. Clifford is thrown to the wolves against OSU. Allar finishes the season as a tune up for next year. No need to ruin his confidence or get him hurt against OSU.
I don’t think Allar is the type of kid who will lose confidence regardless.
And if that is the case, Allar will play of course. Otherwise, this thread is a moot point because I don’t see CJF playing Allar over Clifford.A wrinkle - Clifford may be hurt
Tons of QBs have--even in the NFL. Why don't you think a true freshman could or would?I don’t think Allar is the type of kid who will lose confidence regardless.
Yes just give up on the season. You guys are pathetic. Did we give up in 2016 vs OSU at home despite being huge underdogs?Don't make Allar a sacrificial lamb against OSU - bring the kid along slowly. His time will come but don't get him killed against OSU
Hmmm...are Trace McSorely, Chris Godwin, Mike Gesicki, Brandon Bell, and Ryan Bates walking through that door next week?Yes just give up on the season. You guys are pathetic. Did we give up in 2016 vs OSU at home despite being huge underdogs?
What I'm saying is play Clifford against OSU - if he's healthy. He will have to make quick decisions with the way OSU brings it against the QB and that does not suit a true freshman QB wellYes just give up on the season. You guys are pathetic. Did we give up in 2016 vs OSU at home despite being huge underdogs?
Why do you think Allar gives us a better chance to win though?Yes just give up on the season. You guys are pathetic. Did we give up in 2016 vs OSU at home despite being huge underdogs?
Did that team suck to start the season? YesHmmm...are Trace McSorely, Chris Godwin, Mike Gesicki, Brandon Bell, and Ryan Bates walking through that door next week?
Its amazing how you guys dont see how ****ing awful Clifford is. Hes absolutely a horrific QB.What I'm saying is play Clifford against OSU - if he's healthy. He will have to make quick decisions with the way OSU brings it against the QB and that does not suit a true freshman QB well
Did we suck to start the season or did we suck when we played someone with a pulse?Did that team suck to start the season? Yes
Hes part of the problem. The defense can just play Cover 0 or 1 and jam the receivers which in turn makes it hard to run, bc they know Clifford sucks.Why do you think Allar gives us a better chance to win though?
QB is not our biggest issue--let's be real.
Why would you say that?I don’t think Allar is the type of kid who will lose confidence regardless.
I like Allar's arm and physical tools over Clifford. What I'm saying - and listen close here - is that OSU makes the QB make super quick decisions and would - more than likely - confuse a youngster like Allar. Clifford has seen a lot more than Allar. IT'S NOT THAT HARDIts amazing how you guys dont see how ****ing awful Clifford is. Hes absolutely a horrific QB.
Did you watch Allar today? He was playing in slow motion and was nowhere near his receivers with the ball. You are correct.I like Allar's arm and physical tools over Clifford. What I'm saying - and listen close here - is that OSU makes the QB make super quick decisions and would - more than likely - confuse a youngster like Allar. Clifford has seen a lot more than Allar. IT'S NOT THAT HARD
No argument here. My comments are not shots against Allar but like you said, his protection. And believe me - I've seen them play multiple times - OSU will flat out bring it against him every play. That's a totally different OSU defense than 2020 and 2021.Did you watch Allar today? He was playing in slow motion and was nowhere near his receivers with the ball. You are correct.
It's about the lines, not qb.
Bc hes not a pussy. You can tell he has moxy out there.Why would you say that?
43 and 0 are terrible. 23 and 11 are good and would be better under a competent coach.QB is not your biggest problem. Your OL, and especially DL and LBs are - it was obvious today. Go back and watch Michigan's games against Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana and concentrate on the LOS. You'll see they stacked up OK against Michigan
The linebacker play is the worst I've seen since 2001...and those of us who remember Dave Benfatti and Tom Williams will testify.43 and 0 are terrible. 23 and 11 are good and would be better under a competent coach.
Your defense reminds me of those horrible OSU defenses of 2020 and 2021. The problem - OSU could really move the ball on offense which would cover up their defensive shortcomings in most games43 and 0 are terrible. 23 and 11 are good and would be better under a competent coach.
It's worse.Your defense reminds me of those horrible OSU defenses of 2020 and 2021. The problem - OSU could really move the ball on offense which would cover up their defensive shortcomings in most games
THIS ^^^^. Clifford is never gonna make anyone forget McSorley, much less Blackledge, but he played decently today. Particularly for a QB who was under pretty continual pressure. The Lions' OL got punked. The Lions' DL was a bit better, but not much, and the LB's either got blocked or were out of position (whether from biting on misdirection or picking bad angles) on a lot of plays.QB is not your biggest problem. Your OL, and especially DL and LBs are - it was obvious today. Go back and watch Michigan's games against Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana and concentrate on the LOS. You'll see they stacked up OK against Michigan
Yes 7/19, great #s.THIS ^^^^. Clifford is never gonna make anyone forget McSorley, much less Blackledge, but he played decently today. Particularly for a QB who was under pretty continual pressure. The Lions' OL got punked. The Lions' DL was a bit better, but not much, and the LB's either got blocked or were out of position (whether from biting on misdirection or picking bad angles) on a lot of plays.
The trajectory of this team has gotten a lot worse since then.Yes just give up on the season. You guys are pathetic. Did we give up in 2016 vs OSU at home despite being huge underdogs?
I'm not going to just give up vs Ohio State no matter how low our odds are.Honestly, this thread is like discussing the QB with the Steelers--people are just so excited believing the backup is going to fix things that they're ignoring the long term impact.
Morgan is out for Minnesota. We should win that game if I was playing QB.
We aren't beating Ohio State if Peyton Manning in his prime was our QB
Allar can start 4 games and a bowl game after our second loss and Franklin can stop pretending we're contenders.
I'm not going to just give up vs Ohio State no matter how low our odds are.
Have you not been watching. Clifford cannot be any worse.But Allar doesn't give us a better chance to win this year. It's illogical. It's just fantasy
I can't want to see Allar either but I'm also aware of the big picture
I just don't know what you think Allar changes at all