There's no game and you can be done if you want but the Giants are better than you're giving them credit for and there's no benefit to Barkley sitting out. Not ne for him or his career.
Too bad for Saquon
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Don't cut off your nose to spite your face Say Say...play football.
Don't ruin your career like Bell.
Don't ruin your career like Bell.
He didn't cave. He did the right thing for himself. Kudos to him. Now they can work on a deal before the gets tagged again.
Honestly, Barkley probably sat in that Zoom call on Saturday and realized he was being used. This was what best for his career. Glad he finally was convinced of that.
Barkley and Jacobs are probably two best HR threats at position but simply the way it is. It is 'grind em up and throw them away' type position. You can only hope to find a team/OL where don't get abused and can survive for a several years. SB was not so lucky. He did everything possible his first two seasons to get extra yard for NYG and the toll on his body was severe. Total team leader and pro but just not valued
I haven't seen the whole thing but there is some speculation that he can go full free agent after this year without a tag. So maybe he took the low $11m for 2023 with the hopes of getting a much larger contract in 2024. Big year for Saquon!
Saquon Barkley incentives tied to individual performance, Giants making playoffs
Running back Saquon Barkley will be joining the Giants at training camp after agreeing to a one-year deal that can pay him a bit more than the $10.091 million he would have made if he signed the franchise tag the team used on him early in the offseason.
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No such language according to this.
The incentives are pretty high too. 1350 rushing yards (career high 1302), 11 TDs, 65 receptions.
He got $2 mil for signing.
The bottom line is he got a new and better deal.Saquon Barkley incentives tied to individual performance, Giants making playoffs
Running back Saquon Barkley will be joining the Giants at training camp after agreeing to a one-year deal that can pay him a bit more than the $10.091 million he would have made if he signed the franchise tag the team used on him early in the offseason.
No such language according to this.
The incentives are pretty high too. 1350 rushing yards (career high 1302), 11 TDs, 65 receptions.
He got $2 mil for signing.
If the dim bulb OC, or QB would pass to Barkley the receiver corps would benefit as would the QB and the offense in total.
The OL short comings aside...
The Giants outside of Barkley is like watching paint stay wet forever.
The OL short comings aside...
The Giants outside of Barkley is like watching paint stay wet forever.
The key is--he gets a year to work out a long term deal. If the Giants tag him again and he wants to take a firmer stance I get it but that's going to be about 12.7M which is probably going to be tough to get on the open market. I like the realistic incentives for receptions and TDs--those are doable. Rushing yards will be tough.Saquon Barkley incentives tied to individual performance, Giants making playoffs
Running back Saquon Barkley will be joining the Giants at training camp after agreeing to a one-year deal that can pay him a bit more than the $10.091 million he would have made if he signed the franchise tag the team used on him early in the offseason.
No such language according to this.
The incentives are pretty high too. 1350 rushing yards (career high 1302), 11 TDs, 65 receptions.
He got $2 mil for signing.
He's undervalued by most fans. People here talk about how rough Saquon had it playing behind a line but ignore that Jones played behind the same line. We saw Jones take a gigantic step forward last year. He's highly intelligent, accurate and mobile. He's not an elite QB but can be a second tier guy. There's a ton of QBs I'd take Jones over.
The Giants OL has improved greatly since he and Jones first arrived. It's not elite but it's nowhere near as bad as you claim.
Also, pretending Jones is boring is illogical--it's bias. He completed over 67% of his passes, had over 3k yards, a QB rating of 92.5 to go along with 700 yards rushing and 22 TDs. While only throwing 5 picks. The inability of some here to acknowledge his growth is terrifying.
It's new. I'm not sure that it's better. Saquon signed it.
How can he take a firmer stance?
Rushing yards would be 40+ yards over his career high. TDs would tie career high (it's listed as rushing, not total where I read). Receptions would require his 2nd best output. And another playoff berth.
The incentives are reachable, but it requires him to be 40% or more of the offense again.
Hold out until the season starts and skip camp.
Incentives shouldn't be easy--they should be for exceeding expectations. I think 1250-1300 would have been better for the rushing yards but i think the other numbers. 65 receptions in that offense should be something he hits if he stays healthy. Looking at less than 4 a game.
Also, for those saying the Giants aren't providing help. They took Thomas 4th overall and Neal 7th overall to start at tackle. The took debatably the best IOL in the draft this year in JM Schmitz in the 2nd. They signed Glowinski via free agency. They've done everything a RB (or QB) would want an organization to do to build an OL. You can debate the guys they took but they effort has been there and they're growing into those roles nicely.
You have said he should sign the tag all along. You never once said he should hold out until the season starts and skip camp. Why are you saying that now?
My point about the incentives is that they are counterproductive. He's gotta be the man to get them and hope 52 others hold up their end of the bargain. What if they are 12-2 with 3 games left and he's shy on receptions and rushing yards. They will start resting him and limiting his touches. Then if he gripes, he's labeled selfish.
This year--he needed to sign the tag immediately once they couldn't reach a long term deal. Next year--if he waits until a week before the season starts that would be acceptable. He still can't miss games or sit out a season.
To be fair, if they are 12-2 they should be limiting his touches to save him for the playoffs and ideally that's something he would want as well. Incentives can cause issues--we all know that and I won't disagree--but the Giants are likely a 9-11 win team that will rely on him and Jones to carry them into the playoffs. If he stays healthy he'll have a shot at it.
Pretty simple, he was wrong as usual so now he needs to make it seem like he was right all along.
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