Fear not, fellow PSU fans! The B1G officials will screw over Minnesota with a blatantly bad call when we play them, and that will show the world that there's no bias against PSU in the B1G, and it's all just simple incompetence.
Too funny - here is the "play-by-play" entry on cheating b1g Officials fabricated Iowa 1st Down
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I also think it was the right call, he clearly hit him shoulder to shoulder, and any helmet contact was incidental. It was night and day when compared to the Paris Ford temper tantrum hit, that was such blatant targeting that they should use it to teach what targeting is.
On the spot on the play in question, if you watch the broadcast, as the official is placing the ball on the ground, you can briefly see the yellow line for the first down marker is 1 yard up the field. Then O'Neill comes in and points for the first down. Haha. Reminds me of the good old days. One of my favorites was an official going to spot the ball and looking back at the sideline for the first down marker so he could give the other team a first down. 25+ years of this horseshit. Amazing.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
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Perfect still shot. That’s not incompetence folks. If he was that incompetent, he’d be living under a bridge with a mangy dog and his possessions in a shopping cartOn the spot on the play in question, if you watch the broadcast, as the official is placing the ball on the ground, you can briefly see the yellow line for the first down marker is 1 yard up the field. Then O'Neill comes in and points for the first down. Haha. Reminds me of the good old days. One of my favorites was an official going to spot the ball and looking back at the sideline for the first down marker so he could give the other team a first down. 25+ years of this horseshit. Amazing.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
First was Christian Hackenberg’s admittedly poor pass that was “picked off” by Ohio State’s Vonn Bell. You can see the ball clearly hitting the ground — this is not in question. This play was reviewed and the call inexplicably stood. That gave the Buckeyes the ball in great field position at Penn State’s 39 yard-line, which resulted in an easy touchdown (only one of two Ohio State would score on the day).
To screw up the call is one thing; to screw it up after looking at video like this is grounds for losing your job.
O’Neill and Fiedler answered questions to a pool reporter after the game yesterday which was distributed to the media. The answers don’t make much sense, nor do the officials take any responsibility for screwing up calls that helped Ohio State score 10 of its 17 points.
Q: The Ohio State Interception in the first quarter, was there a problem with the two replay feeds on that?
O’Neill: The play technically was not thoroughly reviewed due to some technical difficulties with the equipment.
Q: In a case like that when the main feed and the back-up feed are not available, is there any provision that can you look at the in-house feed to get a back-up to get a look at that?
O’Neill: The feeds that the replay team looks at are the feeds you get at home. We can’t create our own rules. The replay rules are clear that we have to use the equipment provided. So, Tom (Fiedler) and the team reviewed what they had.
Q: Then there’s no provision to look at the in-house feed then?
O’Neill: Right.
UPDATE: As astute reader Jason points out, O’Neill’s explanation: “The feeds that the replay team looks at are the feeds you get at home. We can’t create our own rules. The replay rules are clear that we have to use the equipment provided. So, Tom (Fiedler) and the team reviewed what they had,” is just plain wrong. The crew could have used the in-house feed, which also showed a clear incompletion, to make the call.
To screw up the call is one thing; to screw it up after looking at video like this is grounds for losing your job.
O’Neill and Fiedler answered questions to a pool reporter after the game yesterday which was distributed to the media. The answers don’t make much sense, nor do the officials take any responsibility for screwing up calls that helped Ohio State score 10 of its 17 points.
Q: The Ohio State Interception in the first quarter, was there a problem with the two replay feeds on that?
O’Neill: The play technically was not thoroughly reviewed due to some technical difficulties with the equipment.
Q: In a case like that when the main feed and the back-up feed are not available, is there any provision that can you look at the in-house feed to get a back-up to get a look at that?
O’Neill: The feeds that the replay team looks at are the feeds you get at home. We can’t create our own rules. The replay rules are clear that we have to use the equipment provided. So, Tom (Fiedler) and the team reviewed what they had.
Q: Then there’s no provision to look at the in-house feed then?
O’Neill: Right.
UPDATE: As astute reader Jason points out, O’Neill’s explanation: “The feeds that the replay team looks at are the feeds you get at home. We can’t create our own rules. The replay rules are clear that we have to use the equipment provided. So, Tom (Fiedler) and the team reviewed what they had,” is just plain wrong. The crew could have used the in-house feed, which also showed a clear incompletion, to make the call.
On the spot on the play in question, if you watch the broadcast, as the official is placing the ball on the ground, you can briefly see the yellow line for the first down marker is 1 yard up the field. Then O'Neill comes in and points for the first down. Haha. Reminds me of the good old days. One of my favorites was an official going to spot the ball and looking back at the sideline for the first down marker so he could give the other team a first down. 25+ years of this horseshit. Amazing.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
You're correct that the horseshit made up mark in the picture is clearly short of the 1st Down mark as O'Neill does his clown routine. But what is truly amazing is that the replay shown on the broadcast immediately after play very clearly showed the ball was loose from the moment it was snapped and never possed by Stanley at any point during the play! The video shows the ball squirt directly through Stanley's legs from the snap and is rolling free on the ground straight backwards away from the LOS at between the PSU 36 & 37 yard lines on the far side of the thick 35 yard line stripe! How anyone can wstch that play and not realize how corrupt the b1g scumbags are is rather baffling - they gave Iowa a 1st Down, a fresh set of downs and stopped the clock which was ticking at 2:37 on a 3rd-&-1 play that clearly resulted in significant negative yardage and a 4th and 2 to 3 yards!
Lol...classic Bushwood. The refs make a bad call, and you exaggerate it so much that now the spot was off by 3-4 yards (there is no way in hell it should have been behind the 35).
I didn’t even think the spot itself was awful, it was the terrible to decision to not bring in the chains on a play that seemed to be clearly short of the first down.
And what the **** were Blackledge and McDonough doing then? Hitting the buffet one last time? It was a huge decision and they didn’t say anything. At least they called out the terrible TD reversal
Sorry but you're full of shit as per usual - the video u questionably shows the ball on the ground rolling straight backwards away from LOS toward the PSU 36 yard line! LOL that it wasn't beyond the 35 yard line - you're such a clown. The ball was snapped from the ball was snapped from the 34 yard line 3rd-&-1. Video clearly shows it going straight backwards through Stanley's legs (Stanley never has possession of the ball at any time diring play - it is a fumbled snap from the get go). When the ball hits the ground it begins rolling straight backwards and you can see it rolling on ground beyond Stanley's feet on the video. The Officials marked the ball where Stanley's head was despite the fact that Stanley never possessed the ball EVER during the play and the ball was in fact beyond his feet behind him. Stanley is something like 6' 5" but now according to your laughable, nitwit self he's less than a foot tall since the ball was BEHIND his feet and somehow according to you it was spotted within a foot of where the ball actually was???
Should have been about a foot inside of the 34 (ie, still short of the first, but about 2-3 yards in front of your blue and white beer goggles view).
FYI...Stanley recovers the fumble, not an OL like you keep stating...
You're quite mistaken Zippy - that image you're showing doesn't even show the ball and the replay they showed on telecast quite clearly shows the ball going directy from the snap through Stanley's legs...to the ground and starts rolling backwards away from Stanley who had dove into the srum but never had possession of the ball which absolutely went behind him through his legs. You're full of shit that this picture you've posted (which doesn't even show the ball which was on the ground behind Stanley as the replay during telecast quite clearly confirms) proves any of the bullshit you're trying to sell. LMFAO. BTW, you're full of shit that Stanley recovered the loose ball - it was behind him (video shows it going through his legs genius) and rolling on the ground away from him and the LOS as Stanley was stuck in the pile he had dove into.
The ball is in the picture, in Stanley’s right arm just in front of the 34 (the ball is the brown thing with a white stripe). The ball also never rolled between Stanley’s legs or behind him, regardless of how many times you state that it did.
That would explain why O'Neill shows up with rushing yards on the Iowa stats!On the spot on the play in question, if you watch the broadcast, as the official is placing the ball on the ground, you can briefly see the yellow line for the first down marker is 1 yard up the field. Then O'Neill comes in and points for the first down. Haha. Reminds me of the good old days. One of my favorites was an official going to spot the ball and looking back at the sideline for the first down marker so he could give the other team a first down. 25+ years of this horseshit. Amazing.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
For the record, the yellow stripe is meaningless in terms of what the officials see and do. I haven't rewatched this play closely, but I do know that sometimes the yellow stripe is off a bit from where the actual first down marker is at.On the spot on the play in question, if you watch the broadcast, as the official is placing the ball on the ground, you can briefly see the yellow line for the first down marker is 1 yard up the field. Then O'Neill comes in and points for the first down. Haha. Reminds me of the good old days. One of my favorites was an official going to spot the ball and looking back at the sideline for the first down marker so he could give the other team a first down. 25+ years of this horseshit. Amazing.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
First down was snapped just inside the 43, so the yellow stripe was pretty much spot on in this instance.
You're full of shit as per usual - I have no idea where you got the picture you're using or if it's showing well after what the video clearly showed (i.e., the Iowa player who recovered rolling ball while laying on ground handed the ball forward to Stanley illegally....) or what. But you're utterly full of shit that the ball was not immediately loose at the snap and went through Stanley's legs and was rolling backwards away from the LOS as unquestionably confirmed by the replay shown by telecast directly after play as multiple other posters saw and have commented upon.
I think the meds are impacting your eyes. The ball is clearly in the picture he posted. LMFAO LOL ROFL or whatever other dumb acronyms you care to use.
The ball was fumbled at the snap, went straight down, and Stanley fell on it. The ball was never rolling away from the line, was never picked up by an O-lineman and “illegally” handed to Stanley, was never close to the 36 or 37 yard line (let alone the 35). Stanley fell on it, and in the pile, probably reached it forward thus why they gave him an extra half yard on the spot (regardless, the new spot was still short had they measured).
Not sure why you can’t just see that, and instead come up with these ridiculous observations that have no basis whatsoever in fact or reality.
You're full of shit, the replay played directly after play by ABC in slow motion very clearly and unmistakably shows the ball being fumbled at the snap with Stanley already committed to lunging forward into the pile. The ball withou question is shown squirting through his hands and going directly through his legs.... then hitting the ground and then rolling away from the LOS and behind Stanley who had lunged into the 1 hole right at the snap. The slow motion video replay shows the ball on the ground rolling freely in the open directly behind Stanley's feet...there is an Iowa player, not Stanley (who I'm pretty sure was an OL or a FB) crawling over to get ball... this is where the video cut out. Several other posters have commented on these exact same circumstances which were absolutely confirmed on the slow-motion replay contrary to your bullshit claims. The ball was absolutely laying on the ground BEHIND Stanley rolling freely away from LOS and plainly viewable when they cut out of replay - you're utterly full of shit that the replay shows Stanley falling on ball underneath him.
The only other player that was in the area was the RB. But it’s obvious that Stanley came up with the ball and not the RB (can tell from the initial video, as the RB stopped before he got all the way into the pile and never really dove). The video cut away with the ball in Stanley’s right hand, not “rolling freely” or “behind Stanley’s feet”.
so in the screen shot the ball is under stanley. Are you saying that it got there by a teammate putting it there?
Wrong, video cuts away after clearly showing the ball go through Stanley's legs and on the ground, in the open BEHIND Stanley (you claim the replay never shows the ball going through Stanley's legs or going behind him which is complete and utterly false rubbish as per your usual bullshit! Now you're modifying your claims as per usual and the ball no longer "fell directly below Stanley and he fell on it...", but instead he reached back with his right hand and dragged it in...blah, blah, blah.). Even your new modified claims prove I am right about the spot - Stanley is down in the replay, if he reaches back and downs the ball, you don't spot the ball the length of his body as he reaches it forward from a DOWNED POSITION! Stanley's body is 2 and a half yards long so even under your new modified ever-changing bullshit claims, the corrupt b1g Officials missed the correct spot by far, far, far more than a foot Mr Spinmeister defender of cheating scumbag b1g douchebags.
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Not sure how it got there - the slow-motion replay ABC showed right after play cuts out right as ball is about to be recovered by an Iowa player. But the ball us absolutely shown to be fumbled and loose directly from the snap. The replay also clearly shows the ball go through Stanley's hands as he's lunging forward....with the ball continuing directly backwards through his legs and on the ground in the wide-open BEHIND Stanley's feet. There is an Iowa player scrambling towards it on his knees... This is where the replay cut out, but you could hear the whistles sounding to end play, so there's absolutely no question whatsoever that the ball was moved forward from the position it was in when play was blown dead. BTW, Stanley had 3 or 4 QB sneaks in this game into 1 hole being pushed forward by his teammates - there is zero evidence that this is the picture from play in question.
No idea, but the ball is absolutely well forward of where it was on ground when blown dead. By the way, the slow-motion replay clearly shows ball being fumbled at snap, going directly through Stanley's hands without him ever possessing it. The ball then clearly goes through Stanley's legs as he lunges forward into 1-hole and is on the ground loose in the open BEHIND Stanley. Your b1g scumbag defending boy initialy claimed none of these things happened contrary to what the replay unquestionably shows - go figure. LMFAO
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I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.[/QUOTE]
The 2 calls you reference were likely called by the same guy ... I don't know his "letter" designation, but he was always far back of the LOS. He is also the same guy who called the 15-yard UCP against Juwan Johnson in 2017 at Iowa following the game-winning TD. You can see him give the "Shhhhh" sign to the main ref. I have seen dozens of players make the "Shhh" sign to opposing fans, but only twice have I seen it penalized.
I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.[/QUOTE]
The 2 calls you reference were likely called by the same guy ... I don't know his "letter" designation, but he was always far back of the LOS. He is also the same guy who called the 15-yard UCP against Juwan Johnson in 2017 at Iowa following the game-winning TD. You can see him give the "Shhhhh" sign to the main ref. I have seen dozens of players make the "Shhh" sign to opposing fans, but only twice have I seen it penalized.
Yep, the ball "goes thru Stanley's legs", is "on the ground behind his feet when the replay cuts away", "was illegally handed to him by an offensive lineman", was "rolling backwards away from Stanley", and "should have been spotted at the 36 or 37 yard line". Great work Bushy.
I wish I could have just found it, but instead spent the 15 minutes to grab and post it.
He honestly makes the wolves72 troll account seem objective in comparison, but I think that Bushwood really is that irrational and that he’s not just trolling everyone.
Appreciate this thread and its implications. Specifically, it isn't always just the direct outcome of the penalty, it's the other things that can really wreck a team. Forced timeouts (or not having to take take a timeout as in the case of the Stanley farce). Maybe a team gets the "we're gonna get screwed" no matter what sense and tightens up... maybe the coach gets angry and takes a chance (or plays too safe and doesn't). Almost always, momentum suffers.
I'm sure one take on the number of calls against us will be this was the first time we played a quality opponent and you make mistakes like this when that happens. There's a pretty easy rebuttal to that in this.. as in, we were superior athletically, not the other way around.
In general, bad calls happen, but this crew in particular is especially awful and manages (like Witvoet's bunch) to make the calls at the worst possible time (momentum killers) while trading in make-up calls to keep the total flags appear even (and even that did not happen on Saturday). When a guy (O'Neil) makes a comment to our starting QB to shut up and 'just be happy to be playing'... well that guy should never ref a PSU game... period. He has a history that is undeniably biased and he should be shelved. Of course, whoever replaced him wouyld no doubt take it out on us lol.
So good to be back
I'm sure one take on the number of calls against us will be this was the first time we played a quality opponent and you make mistakes like this when that happens. There's a pretty easy rebuttal to that in this.. as in, we were superior athletically, not the other way around.
In general, bad calls happen, but this crew in particular is especially awful and manages (like Witvoet's bunch) to make the calls at the worst possible time (momentum killers) while trading in make-up calls to keep the total flags appear even (and even that did not happen on Saturday). When a guy (O'Neil) makes a comment to our starting QB to shut up and 'just be happy to be playing'... well that guy should never ref a PSU game... period. He has a history that is undeniably biased and he should be shelved. Of course, whoever replaced him wouyld no doubt take it out on us lol.
So good to be back
Too funny, you think this video supports your claim, lmao. You claim the ball is not going backwards away from Stanley (i.e., behind him) and toward RB behind Stanley... and that Stanley simply "fell on the ball" and recovered the loose ball. Freeze framing the video along the timeline shows how absolutely full of shit you are on 100% of these claims. Freeze framing the first second shows the ball loose from the snap. Freeze framing at the beginning of the 3 second mark shows the ball hitting the ground. Freeze framing the 4 and 5 second mark show the ball bouncing up in the air and backwards as a comparison to the 3 second mark when ball first contacts the ground clearly demonstrates. Freeze framing the very end of the 5 second mark shows the ball bounding backwards in the air behind Stanley (hanging in mid-air over the achilles area on back of Stanley's ankle. The video then cuts away with an advertising graphic cutting on to screen just as the 6th second of video starts and the ball is clearly still moving backward further behind Stanley and toward approaching Iowa RB! But you claim this proves your completely wrong claims when it proves the diametric opposite!
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I also would like to mention that it isn't just O'Neill on that crew. Whoever flagged the defensive holding and pass interference calls against Reid also is a mf'er. Completely made up calls after big Penn State plays. One of those games after every good play you're holding your breath waiting for that yellow "FLAG" notice to show up on the screen.
The 2 calls you reference were likely called by the same guy ... I don't know his "letter" designation, but he was always far back of the LOS. He is also the same guy who called the 15-yard UCP against Juwan Johnson in 2017 at Iowa following the game-winning TD. You can see him give the "Shhhhh" sign to the main ref. I have seen dozens of players make the "Shhh" sign to opposing fans, but only twice have I seen it penalized.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what they call for taunting or do not call rather
I watched a highlights video on YouTube of this game and in the first half an Iowa receiver made a catch and turned and mugged and said a few things directly at Castro Fields who was laying on the ground and the ref just kind of watched and said nothing
it was on the long pass where Castro Fields slipped during the double move
From my perspective the ball should have been placed at the line of scrimmage, perhaps even back a little further but we are talking inches. The ball drops straight down and is then knocked backwards by Stanley's arm (maybe a PSU leg as well). It doesn't appear like Stanley could recover it himself in the video but he may have. If had to guess I would say someone else recovered it.
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