Tyler Bowen going to NFL
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Beating the living shit out of every coach? This thread is about Bowen. Is he getting the shit kicked out of him? It seems like most posters believe he was a good coach and recruiter.
Someone has to take the blame for poor performance, Franklin sure isn't going to do that himself.
There will be some turnover. But, part of the problem is we pay our head coach too much, and our assistant coaches too little.
I'm a Franklin fan too but don't you get exhausted doing this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....?
Yep, the "problem" seems to be that he has too many great coaches doing outstanding work with the PSU football team and their position assignments and not enough head coaching and coordinator positions within his staff org chart, and that other organizations see how talented his coaches are and swoop in and hire them for positions of increased responsibility that are at that point in time not open within Franklin's staff.
What do you propose as a solution?
Hide his coaches so no one else interacts and recognizes their talent?
Pay everyone on his staff as a head coach? But most will still want to actually be the coordinator or head coach.
Saban does not need an excuse. He doesn't go 0-5 to start the season. When was the last time he fired an assistant? Seems like all his assistants leave for upgrades.
What has Saban done? They should have fired his ass after that field goal disaster against auburn. He’s an idiot.
I get exhausted reading all the posts finding every possible way to blame everything bad in the world on Franklin....doesn’t that get exhausting?
Our assistants leave for upgrades and the geniuses on this board spin it to Franklin firing them....maybe that’s what’s happening with Saban in a lot of cases too. And I don’t follow Bama football all that closely, but I’m quite certain not all those coaches left by their own choice.
Or fire the special teams coach....of course that would mean he was just finding an excuse to cover up his own failure.
I recommend we pay our good assistants more, so that they are less likely to make vertical moves.
Yeah, those in our fan base that do not recognize how great Franklin has been for PSU are truly morons. We had the most challenging situation to deal with in all of the history of college sports and were left for dead. This guy, along with BOB, rescued and subsequently improved the program from where it was prior to Sandusky.
What happened to last season's OC? I thought he was fired, did that not happen?
And I don't think Saban has fired many assistants lately. But he hasn't experienced failure on the level that Franklin has, so no need to blame anyone really.
Penn State's current players were in elementary school when the Sandusky scandal went down. It's seems obvious that the loss of good assistant coaches impacts recruiting and the development of players.
Yes the OC was fired, but we don’t know why, do we? And look at your wording, that’s the problem. Most coaches would kill to experience the “failure on the level that Franklin has”....nobody has equaled the level of success that Saban has, but to state that Franklin has failed at some epic level is just ridiculous.
I believe Franklin is ahead of you on that as it has been reported that he is paying the PSU assistant coaches much more than they were being paid in the past.
But believing that PSU can pay a TE coach enough to stay a TE coach at PSU when the NFL comes calling with the much greater financial resources the NFL has is not realistic. Believing that PSU can pay a position coach more than what that coach would be paid as a coordinator at another P5 school is unrealistic.
And coaches many times just want more responsibility after serving as a position coach for a number of years.
When Franklin, or any top college coach, assembles a great staff of individuals that show themselves to be great coaches other head coaches are going to try and hire then away and sometimes they will be successful in luring them away from PSU, for more money, location for family reasons, more responsibility or reasons we will never know.
Which coaches would kill to experience an 0-5 start that sets the record for the worst in program history? I'd consider that failure on an epic level. But you seem to be just fine with that lack of performance, good for you.
Harvard is the Gronk School of Tight Ends. Harvard HC and also the TE position coach Tim Murphy has had 5 TE play in the NFL over the past two seasons. Alabama has had four. Brate, Firsker, Braunecker, Ott(now a pro-bowl long snapper), and Kyle Juszczyk H- back role at Harvard).
Brate has been on the game's most productive TEs since entering the league in 2014. He will suit up along with Gronk in the Super Bowl. Only 3 other TE have more TD catches than him over the last five seasons. ---WSJ
We need to bring Murphy down to the Harvard of the Mid-Atlantic states.
Note- more a list of fun facts in today's article than a plea.
Brate has been on the game's most productive TEs since entering the league in 2014. He will suit up along with Gronk in the Super Bowl. Only 3 other TE have more TD catches than him over the last five seasons. ---WSJ
We need to bring Murphy down to the Harvard of the Mid-Atlantic states.
Note- more a list of fun facts in today's article than a plea.
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That's what Clemson does. They just re-upped their OC and they've held on to Venebles forever. I believe both are now among the highest paid coordinators in college football. But if we do that then we'll see the posts here about Sandy is mismanaging the finances. There really is no winning with some on this board. I just try to ignore the whining and scroll past it because it's the same stuff over and over.
Decommitting due to a position coach leaving and not waiting to see who will be the replacement tells me this kid committed too soon. Good luck to him.
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You act like Franklin’s whole tenure at Penn State is those 5 games and this season.
But, but, but....Seider was his secondary recruiter and he is a God at recruiting so....shouldn't we have held on to him.
Cville is right, kid committed to early. Saw an opening with the departure of Bowen and took it as a way out. Excuse is all it is for an out of region kid to decommit.
Cville is right, kid committed to early. Saw an opening with the departure of Bowen and took it as a way out. Excuse is all it is for an out of region kid to decommit.
Well recruiting is much about building trust and relationships. And that is critical to players in college or the NFL. And players play better when they are happy. Plus the modern NFL is just as much about free agency so a ‘recruiter’ is good to have.
"Excuse?" That's farfetched. A case can be made that Bowen, his future position coach, was a significant element in Staes's decision. With Bowen gone, he's reconsidering.
Unless you have something more definitive, I'll go with the obvious.
Thats fair. I guess my point was we get in early on the out of region kids and do a nice job of projecting them.
When they start to blow up a little bit they rethink everything, especially going to a program that isn't a tier 1 program that is far from home.
Of course this is 100% my opinion. I didn't think I had to say that but will put it in every post.
Did Seider steal your girlfriend or kick your dog? Because your SDS (Seider Derangement Syndrome) is off the charts.
It was one year and during a pandemic. One year does not erase everything else he’s done here. Yes, he had a bad year so I guess for all pandemic years we should have a different coach....but in non-pandemic years, Franklin is better than most.
This is 100% my opinion.
I think Bowen is a very good TE Coach. I think originally that is why he sparked interest in the first place. If you can't coach, you can't be in the NFL.
Do I think Urban is still a Suckeye, damn right.....so it didn't kill him when he took the best position coach on Penn State and the one with DMV ties.
This is 100% my opinion.
I read, and read, and read how great people on this board think Seider is while killing every OC we have and Pry on a daily basis. I am saying if you take a step back what really has Seider done? What accomplishments is/are he hanging his hat on?
I guess you can start with the RB room and go from there.
But I don't really think answers are what you are looking for are they?
This is 100% my opinion.
1st- I am not looking for answers, they are just opinions.
2nd-What has he done that is so impressive with the RB Room?
Did a nice job with Barkley and Sanders. I will give him credit on that while slowing down to think those guys were probably going to be good either way.
Cain: can't stay healthy enough to make a decision.
Ford & Slade: Lost their electricity. Slade munchied his way out of HV and Ford is not a difference maker a high 4 star should be.
Lee: Big & Slow
Holmes: Non Factor
We shall see what he does with Levitt. Kid has better film that anything we have in the room.
The hole you made is deep enough I'm not helping you dig any further, I've enabled you enough.
Read the post I was responding to. Then learn a lesson most did before age 5. Speak when you are spoken to. Everyone agreed Bowen was good. As I said, he was only OC for 1 game. That's the shelf life here for positive performance ratings.
