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Ut Oh….

This was a long read.

TLDR:
ADS points at parents and then runs into stands threatening to kill them, Brands submits ADS via rear naked choke (I'm assuming ADS tapped out again?)

Facebook posts appear and a fellow poster was at the event (I interpreted it that way also) with conflicting reports.

Iowa fan assures us that there is no way this took place.

Turns out fellow poster was not at the event. Pasted two Facebook posts and immediately cleared things up.

Sleuthing uncovers a video with some barely audible clips reinforcing that at least there was some type of confrontation.

Nope, again the Iowa fan assures us that if the parties were calm after the incident, then there was no incident.

Another Iowa fan is learning about how to use emojis.

Spencer is at risk of losing his 125 spot to a true freshman (Injury precaution)

Scientologists have a wacky belief system and think they are better than others (Not other religions though they are fine, just those wacky scientologists)

Iowa fan is back again, posting copyrighted material I'm guessing

New footage emerges which shows basically nothing. Desanto pointing and being an ass.

Irrational posters may now be known as wags (maybe mods could put yellow stars by their usernames just so we know who they are)

I learned a new word Micropenio

Somewhere in there was some Turkey talk. (Not WildTurk, I think he has dementia. He forgot most of this thread already)

Remember, this is the TLDR version
Everything seems to be in order except they are Wogs, not Wags.
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Read a couple pages just now and got the gist. Really don't need to read any more.

In this thread, there's supposition, innuendo, conjecture, speculation, lies, dang lies, humor, inferences, guesses, even a fact (audio evidence). Plus one poster that can't seem to admit being wrong about anything (normal behavior btw). This beats the scandal sheets any day! Moving on to another thread as I catch-up :) o_O:eek:🤪.
 
… In this thread, there's supposition, innuendo, conjecture, speculation, lies, dang lies, humor, inferences, guesses, even a fact (audio evidence). … :) o_O:eek:🤪.
Or, as Pat Mineo wrote all by himself, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” :)
 
Or, as Pat Mineo wrote all by himself, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” :)
Man......that's really good. You should write a book & I would lead with that :)
 
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Or, as Pat Mineo wrote all by himself, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” :)
“I think of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean Moriarty.”
 
Time for undeserved Hodge Trophy #3.

Before I get blasted, here is my reasoning. I think the Hodge should only go to wrestlers who go all season, but especially not to guys just on a pitch count.

2020.. I don’t think any Hodge Trophy should have been awarded with no NCAAs. There is a reason why Hodge voting happens after NCAAs and not before.

2021 should have been Gable only. I hate the sharing of awards. Hwt was a far superior weight and Gable toyed with all of them. If Spencer deserved to share, than so did Zain with Ringer. (Don’t even get me started on that one 🤪)
 
Time for undeserved Hodge Trophy #3.

Before I get blasted, here is my reasoning. I think the Hodge should only go to wrestlers who go all season, but especially not to guys just on a pitch count.

2020.. I don’t think any Hodge Trophy should have been awarded with no NCAAs. There is a reason why Hodge voting happens after NCAAs and not before.

2021 should have been Gable only. I hate the sharing of awards. Hwt was a far superior weight and Gable toyed with all of them. If Spencer deserved to share, than so did Zain with Ringer. (Don’t even get me started on that one 🤪)
Spencer gonna take a loss this year which will eliminate him anyway. Lol
 
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Time for undeserved Hodge Trophy #3.

Before I get blasted, here is my reasoning. I think the Hodge should only go to wrestlers who go all season, but especially not to guys just on a pitch count.

2020.. I don’t think any Hodge Trophy should have been awarded with no NCAAs. There is a reason why Hodge voting happens after NCAAs and not before.

2021 should have been Gable only. I hate the sharing of awards. Hwt was a far superior weight and Gable toyed with all of them. If Spencer deserved to share, than so did Zain with Ringer. (Don’t even get me started on that one 🤪)
You will get blasted, but shouldn’t. Snyder didn’t win due to an abbreviated schedule despite winning EVERYTHING, so I don’t think it will happen if Lee has, say, 12 matches.

I strongly believe they gamed the vote last year to have a tie - the whole thing seemed fishy. 125 was a garbage dump last year
 
Just in case you fell asleep for a few days....I will recap the Desanto crisis. After several more FRL broadcast as well as a couple of Rokfin podcasts.......the number of references to Desanto's allegedly despicable behavior is all the way up to ZERO. That's right.......hours of podcasts and numerous articles on other sites detailing the Iowa performance at the Open.......still not a single reference or confirmation of any vile behavior. There is video evidence of Eierman and Brands calmly talking to a calm Desanto and walking with him out of the arena......so that "damaging" video does indeed exist :) This update brought to you by GAFL ( Get A Life) Tee Hee
 
Just in case you fell asleep for a few days....I will recap the Desanto crisis. After several more FRL broadcast as well as a couple of Rokfin podcasts.......the number of references to Desanto's allegedly despicable behavior is all the way up to ZERO. That's right.......hours of podcasts and numerous articles on other sites detailing the Iowa performance at the Open.......still not a single reference or confirmation of any vile behavior. There is video evidence of Eierman and Brands calmly talking to a calm Desanto and walking with him out of the arena......so that "damaging" video does indeed exist :) This update brought to you by GAFL ( Get A Life) Tee Hee
Because FRL will ever talk about that. Shit, unless you’re Russian, they won’t talk about guys sipping from dad’s “water” bottle either.

Hell, why do you think I made up the hashtag #flonerdthug for Pile - he loves that faux tough guy shit DeSanto and his ilk bring
 
Just in case you fell asleep for a few days....I will recap the Desanto crisis. After several more FRL broadcast as well as a couple of Rokfin podcasts.......the number of references to Desanto's allegedly despicable behavior is all the way up to ZERO. That's right.......hours of podcasts and numerous articles on other sites detailing the Iowa performance at the Open.......still not a single reference or confirmation of any vile behavior. There is video evidence of Eierman and Brands calmly talking to a calm Desanto and walking with him out of the arena......so that "damaging" video does indeed exist :) This update brought to you by GAFL ( Get A Life) Tee Hee

Crisis might have gone away if you stopped bringing it up.
 
Because FRL will ever talk about that. Shit, unless you’re Russian, they won’t talk about guys sipping from dad’s “water” bottle either.

Hell, why do you think I made up the hashtag #flonerdthug for Pile - he loves that faux tough guy shit DeSanto and his ilk bring
Now Now......Willie and Corby said not a single word and Willie is not afraid :). Nothing on Intermat, WIN magazine, Other Rokfin wrestling sites or any other mainstream wrestling sites. You are going to need a bunch of new hashtags :)
 
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I thought I brought up the fact that it hasn't been brought up? Please don't try to confuse me.....it's far too easy.....I am barely functioning on a brain stem :)
You guys are really too f'ing amusing at times. Like you've got to be an Iowa fan to know what's going on with Austin.

He wrestled here for 14 years and wasn't a nobody from about the sixth grade on. Many here have seen him wrestle from grade school to NCAAs. Heck, I've stayed in the same hotel at tournaments with the kid and breakfasted with him and his mom. Nice kid - off the mat.

He is what he is. He does some shit on and around the mat that he gets away with because he's really good and because its wrestling and because most realize he just can't help it. But its not right. Its been that way for a long long time.

What's funny as hell is you Iowa guys bending over backwards making excuses or ignoring crap or touting Iowa as the place that's the best for him in that regards (the extracurriculars). That type of self deception sure didn't happen at Drexel.

IMO the best Austin ever was in that regards was when he was with the Exeter HS staff. Those guys knew him, there was a level of accountability for that crap and also probably a level of comfort that helped out.

Some of you guys - Iowa fans - are a complete joke about this. And while I have great respect for the Brands and think they're well intended in this, I doubt that the temperament of at least one of them is good for trying to teach a powderkeg how not to blow. Not that I think he would do well at PSU either. At least at this age. And the results at Drexel speak for themselves.

Its not a tragedy and like I said he seems to be a great kid off and away from the mat. I don't like the antics but its really not much different than things you see all the time in this sport - it can be uplifting and it also can be base.

He's on your team so you've got to deal with the blowback from rival fanbases. Its part of the deal.
 
Now Now......Willie and Corby said not a single word and Willie is not afraid :). Nothing on Intermat, WIN magazine, Other Rokfin wrestling sites or any other mainstream wrestling sites. You are going to need a bunch of new hashtags :)
Are you understanding how things work out there? Those wrestling outlets you mention are already fighting tooth and nail for access and information. They walk a fine line with these coaching staffs and programs on what they should report on and what to leave alone. Brands already keeps a tight ship when it comes to media, how do you think he will react to any that reports in things that will make him, his brother and his wrestlers look bad?

You are dumb if you don’t think something happened at that tournament. To what degree is the question. Those caught mentioning it in background of the video didn’t just make it up. I suspect you know that yourself and just trolling but could be completely wrong there. Maybe you are just dumb….
 
Are you understanding how things work out there? Those wrestling outlets you mention are already fighting tooth and nail for access and information. They walk a fine line with these coaching staffs and programs on what they should report on and what to leave alone. Brands already keeps a tight ship when it comes to media, how do you think he will react to any that reports in things that will make him, his brother and his wrestlers look bad?

You are dumb if you don’t think something happened at that tournament. To what degree is the question. Those caught mentioning it in background of the video didn’t just make it up. I suspect you know that yourself and just trolling but could be completely wrong there. Maybe you are just dumb….
Agree on your points about not biting the hand that tosses your starving, emaciated, malnourished body a morsel every once in a while.

Another (lesser) factor is that Iowa is defending champ and consensus #1, which tends to bring even less criticism from those salivating for the next morsel. Gotta be extra nice now.

TnT never got over the traumatic experience of reading that 3” binder for the first time and are still fixated on the “robots” label. As much as they preach “moving forward”, they hold onto stuff, too. Questioning their handling of a habitual behavioral problem (esp. when it is clear to the world it is repeatedly forgiven only because of point-potential involved) would never be forgotten and could keep one in a perpetual doghouse.

And it’s not just them — there are other coaches that do not like others to pry into their operations or question their judgment. Ask Pyles.

They don’t like tough interviewing!!
 
Agree on your points about not biting the hand that tosses your starving, emaciated, malnourished body a morsel every once in a while.

Another (lesser) factor is that Iowa is defending champ and consensus #1, which tends to bring even less criticism from those salivating for the next morsel. Gotta be extra nice now.

TnT never got over the traumatic experience of reading that 3” binder for the first time and are still fixated on the “robots” label. As much as they preach “moving forward”, they hold onto stuff, too. Questioning their handling of a habitual behavioral problem (esp. when it is clear to the world it is repeatedly forgiven only because of point-potential involved) would never be forgotten and could keep one in a perpetual doghouse.

And it’s not just them — there are other coaches that do not like others to pry into their operations or question their judgment. Ask Pyles.

They don’t like tough interviewing!!
At what point does a coach cut the cord on a kid like that? How about the University? The kid threatened a woman coming off the mats last March for crying out loud. What happens if this year (being his last) that he just goes full beast mode and actually punches her or a child walking off the mat because of his inability to control his temper? Coach, the University and Austin could be facing huge lawsuits if God forbid it happens. None will have a leg to stand on considering the entire wrestling world has for years seen obvious hints that it could happen and they did nothing to prevent it. If I were Iowa I’d call Suriano and try to get him to Iowa. That or take one of their young studs out of redshirt. Being Austin’s last year, I think the chances increase he goes off again and if I were the coach or University I’d put an end to his possibly embarrassing them and costing them big money.
 
At what point does a coach cut the cord on a kid like that? How about the University? The kid threatened a woman coming off the mats last March for crying out loud. What happens if this year (being his last) that he just goes full beast mode and actually punches her or a child walking off the mat because of his inability to control his temper? Coach, the University and Austin could be facing huge lawsuits if God forbid it happens. None will have a leg to stand on considering the entire wrestling world has for years seen obvious hints that it could happen and they did nothing to prevent it. If I were Iowa I’d call Suriano and try to get him to Iowa. That or take one of their young studs out of redshirt. Being Austin’s last year, I think the chances increase he goes off again and if I were the coach or University I’d put an end to his possibly embarrassing them and costing them big money.
My cynical answer is that the coach cuts the cord when a viable alternative for scoring those points becomes available. Until then, window dressing. You know, “punishments” like saying you’re sorry (kindergarten), sitting out award ceremonies (I think we did that in elementary school), suspension from November duals against teams where your points will mean nothing to the outcome (this happened to us on my HS team whenever we shot people with a firearm), and the most feared of all — temporary permanent suspension (only for the big boys who could read between the lines).

But seriously, I do not know for a fact what was said at NCAAs or at Luther, and I do not know for a fact just how threatened either recipient felt (whether verbally, by body language, or by a coach’s response). However, I will say that if kids were present and there was potential for them to come away from the event with a bad experience, someone at a higher level than TnT needs to intervene and bring some actual discipline.

I’ve seen several people across a couple of boards attest to knowing ADS personally and claim that his poor behavior occurs only while he is on the mat. Well, that would seem to imply a simple solution, wouldn’t it?

But points.

Ultimately, though, I’m guessing nothing substantive will happen until there is a physical altercation. Can only hope that doesn’t happen.
 
My cynical answer is that the coach cuts the cord when a viable alternative for scoring those points becomes available. Until then, window dressing. You know, “punishments” like saying you’re sorry (kindergarten), sitting out award ceremonies (I think we did that in elementary school), suspension from November duals against teams where your points will mean nothing to the outcome (this happened to us on my HS team whenever we shot people with a firearm), and the most feared of all — temporary permanent suspension (only for the big boys who could read between the lines).

But seriously, I do not know for a fact what was said at NCAAs or at Luther, and I do not know for a fact just how threatened either recipient felt (whether verbally, by body language, or by a coach’s response). However, I will say that if kids were present and there was potential for them to come away from the event with a bad experience, someone at a higher level than TnT needs to intervene and bring some actual discipline.

I’ve seen several people across a couple of boards attest to knowing ADS personally and claim that his poor behavior occurs only while he is on the mat. Well, that would seem to imply a simple solution, wouldn’t it?

But points.

Ultimately, though, I’m guessing nothing substantive will happen until there is a physical altercation. Can only hope that doesn’t happen.
Great perspective. Ya know, the weird thing about it all to me is that it seems Austin is more pumped and active with his antics while he’s winning or after a win. Maybe I’m misremembering but it just seems that way. This is why I think there’s a problem with medications or lack there of. Anyway I’ve discussed it enough and will move on other than to say I think there’s a chance he doesn’t make it to nationals this year. I hope he gets straightened out and want the best Iowa team out there but not at risk of him losing it.
 
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Great perspective. Ya know, the weird thing about it all to me is that it seems Austin is more pumped and active with his antics while he’s winning or after a win. Maybe I’m misremembering but it just seems that way.
I think that is accurate.

I do not recall the details (nor would I have any way of knowing whether they are at play here), but I believe there is science to show an acute physiological response of the male body/mind to a “success” event. A testosterone or adrenaline spike, of sorts, and the bigger the mental build-up to the event, the stronger and longer-lasting the response.

That could be an underlying factor that sets the stage for other things (outside the range of normal) to come into play for ADS. Without that surge as a precursor, perhaps the other things remain regulated.
 
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I see worse at youth tournaments on a weekly basis. Lots of snow flakes in this thread have seemed to forget your football coach was literally rapping young boys for years. That’s an issue and this is an incident that everyone who was involved has moved past.
Lots of Iowa trolls on this thread inadvertently demonstrating the scarcity of educational opportunities available in Iowa.
 
My cynical answer is that the coach cuts the cord when a viable alternative for scoring those points becomes available. …
I don’t disagree with most things you complainers are saying, but my cynical question is whether you’d be complaining equally hard if DeSanto were a perpetual non-qualifier for the NCAAs, or if DeSanto’s team were a non-factor in the team race.
 
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Or, as Pat Mineo wrote all by himself, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” :)
More lies......it's neither Spring or Winter.
 
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I don’t disagree with most things you complainers are saying, but my cynical question is whether you’d be complaining equally hard if DeSanto were a perpetual non-qualifier for the NCAAs, or if DeSanto’s team were a non-factor in the team race.
Wasn’t aware I was complaining as much as fooling around, but . . . would it not be logical for discussion to focus most on wrestlers and teams that factor into the national championship equation? Especially those that are rivals?
 
Wasn’t aware I was complaining as much as fooling around, but . . . would it not be logical for discussion to focus most on wrestlers and teams that factor into the national championship equation? Especially those that are rivals?
I keep coming back to the fact that for all the discussion about DeSanto, we have very little actual information on these "topics", whether it's the speculative, pseudo medical diagnoses or the specifics of the interactions that are deemed so problematic.

I think it's fair to note/suspect that the concern over the behavior is directly related to the possibility/likelihood of points being the difference in the team race.
 
I don’t disagree with most things you complainers are saying, but my cynical question is whether you’d be complaining equally hard if DeSanto were a perpetual non-qualifier for the NCAAs, or if DeSanto’s team were a non-factor in the team race.
Yes. I’d say the fact that we talked at length about Austin when he tried to take out an opponent with a kimura when at Drexel confirms that. I’ll also note we talk about knuckleheads no matter where they are at or how they affect the team race. I’ll use PD3 as my example to back that one up. But if some of you want to insinuate we only care about these type of things because their points may affect our chances at a championship then let me step aside and give you the floor..
 
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