Utah/Michigan

[21Guns]

I'm not going to line up to wash Harbaughs balls after his team just got handled up front, made a ton of mistakes on both sides of the ball, and was beaten soundly by a team with little to no passing game. In addition, the game was made to look closer by a total horse $hit call on the punt at the 2 minute mark, followed by a pathetic prevent defense. Michigan's only touchdown came as a result of a total moron play by Utah's LB hitting Ruddock late. Michigan was manhandled tonight, and the party is on at my place...now GO HORNED FROGS AND MAKE THIS A CELEBRATION THAT GOES INTO THE WEE HOURS.

 

[21Guns]

For example, can't you guys see the benefit of having Minnesota upset #2 TCU tonight? Minnesota gets ranked and the Big Ten West gets some respect. For the rest of the Big Ten, a win against Minnesota then would be much more meaningful and a loss would be less damning.

There is never a "benefit" for any team in this plow boy conference winning anything.

Screw the Big Ten. Period.

 

[psu00]

I think we need to take a second and say congrats to psute. His season is starting off well so far. Wonder if he was at the game?

 

[fairgambit]

That's what I meant by conflicted...

Only if one is logical. I am not.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

There is never a "benefit" for any team in this plow boy conference winning anything.

Screw the Big Ten. Period.

If PSU had a legitimate way out that wouldn't be a huge loss of money I could see this mindset. There is no point hating on a bunch of kids playing sports because of a bunch of old douchebags. Unless you also root against other Big Ten schools academically.

 

[PennStateNate]

I'm not going to line up to wash Harbaughs balls after his team just got handled up front, made a ton of mistakes on both sides of the ball, and was beaten soundly by a team with little to no passing game. In addition, the game was made to look closer by a total horse $hit call on the punt at the 2 minute mark, followed by a pathetic prevent defense. Michigan's only touchdown came as a result of a total moron play by Utah's LB hitting Ruddock late. Michigan was manhandled tonight, and the party is on at my place...now GO HORNED FROGS AND MAKE THIS A CELEBRATION THAT GOES INTO THE WEE HOURS.

Beaten soundly? Game was very even. Michigan had more yards.

Take away the pick 6 and Michigan probably wins.

 

[fairgambit]

I think we need to take a second and say congrats to psute. His season is starting off well so far. Wonder if he was at the game?

Excellent point. He is a class act.

 

[21Guns]

Beaten soundly? Game was very even. Michigan had more yards.

Take away the pick 6 and Michigan probably wins.

Sounds good.

Take the audition tape over to Chicago and give it to Revsine.

 

[21Guns]

If PSU had a legitimate way out that wouldn't be a huge loss of money I could see this mindset. There is no point hating on a bunch of kids playing sports because of a bunch of old douchebags. Unless you also root against other Big Ten schools academically.

Some things are more important than a small loss of money.

Like, integrity.

 

[jj410]

No, PSU I think will soon be competing with OSU for titles. A good-really good Big Ten affords you a loss or even two once the field expands for the Playoff.

It's hurting our recruiting? WHAT?! We are winning head to head in recruiting with them for mutual interest guys. Who have we lost because of their success? Guys like Walker were always going there. We have our own Walker on campus already anyway.

Here's a geography lesson: PA borders OH and aside from newcomers, OH is the closest B10 PSU rival to the mid-Atlantic and east coast. PSU competes for many of the same athletes as OSU. Other things being equal, who do you think most of the top recruits are going to lean toward - the undefeated national champion or a school that has been slandered and cheated half to death by its own conference? Get real, Pangloss.
The PSU roster has only 1 Ohio player, which is unusually low. OSU has only 2 PA players but they are making inroads in the mid-Atlantic in NJ, MD and VA, recent hunting grounds for PSU. Along with the UMD, which will do anything for $ including serving beers to its criminal fans, and Rutgers, with its pretensions. Those two bum schools found their natural home in the B10.
(And yes, I root against all of them in everything in which there are winners and losers, so if you think that includes academics, that too.)

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Some things are more important than a small loss of money.

Like, integrity.

I will admit, most of your posts scream integrity. Your response to a comment is to tell someone to take a video to Revsine.

I can't stand the Big Ten but I can tell you would be an ultimate pain in the ass to watch a football game with.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Here's a geography lesson: PA borders OH and OH is the closest PSU rival to the mid-Atlantic and east coast. PSU competes for many of the same athletes as OSU. Other things being equal, who do you think most of the top recruits are going to lean toward - the undefeated national champion or a school that has been slandered half to death? Get real, Pangloss.
The PSU roster has only 1 Ohio player, which is unusually low. OSU has only 2 PA players but they are making inroads in the mid-Atlantic in NJ, MD and VA, recent hunting grounds for PSU.

Oh, geography. They have more contributors from Florida than PA. Shut up.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Head to head recruiting battles, internet lesson. Look it up.

 

[NittanyAmerica]

Dancing in the streets with utter Joy.

Meat losses again.

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a

 

[lein]

I care how highly PSU is ranked, what bowl game they get invited to, and want them to have a chance to go to the 4 game playoff someday. I can assure you that all of our potential recruits are about these things as much or more than I do. Having other Big Ten teams undermines all of the aforementioned goals (high ranking, good bowls, playoffs). If you can't see this then you are blind or dense.

The only argument that could be made is that fans at home don't impact the outcome of a game. To say that the end result of OOC games for other big ten teams doesn't impact penn state is crazy.

And yet, despite a crappy Ten conference, Ohio State manages to get in showing that a team can be in a weak conference and gets in the playoff thingie.

 

[21Guns]

And yet, despite a crappy Ten conference, Ohio State manages to get in showing that a team can be in a weak conference and gets in the playoff thingie.

It sure does help to have constant political pressure applied by analysts at the very top of the food chain....Herbstreit, Galloway, Eddie George, Robert Smith, and about 2 or 3 others, as top studio analysts who pushed, literally pushed Ohio State past TCU and Baylor near the end of the year, week by week.

 

[pennst8fan78]

How bad will UM have to crap the bed this season before some of their commits start flipping?

 

[bjf1984]

And yet, despite a crappy Ten conference, Ohio State manages to get in showing that a team can be in a weak conference and gets in the playoff thingie.

From 2003 through 2008, the PAC-10 sucked.....aside from USC

USC reeled in all the top talent from California, kicked ass, and was the national darling - playing for a handful of championships.
During that time, the three biggest potential rivals (Oregon/UCLA/Stanford) went a combined 111 wins, 109 losses......and the rest of the conference was awful.

Didn't hurt USC any.


Has FSU been hurt by playing in a conference who's "next best team" might just be DUKE?

Bringing in top recruiting classes every year, winning a ton of games, playing for championships.

______________________________________________

This "we should root for B1G programs".....programs that otherwise provide every reason for them to be "unliked"....is just silly.

It is that OSU/UM provincial mindset that controlled the B1G for generations....and it really was NEVER about "rooting for the B1G brethren", it was lets hope the other guy (UM or OSU) also stays good so that its just the two of us ruling the entire conference year-after-year.....and then have our mutual masturbation over THE GAME at the end of the year.

Root for whoever you want, for whatever reason you want (my choice is just to root for those programs I respect - Minny, NW, MSU etc - and root against those I don't - OSU, UM, etc)........but UM, OSU, Minny, whomever...winning OOC games sure as shit ain't going to do nothing to help PSU win a title.

 

[21Guns]

Did anyone else notice that Peppers played nearly the entire game at the line of scrimmage? Sure enough, on the Wilson TD run, that was Peppers getting smoked by committing too fast and overrunning the play.

Heck of an athlete, but ZERO discipline, and I mean like ZERO discipline, just like the Van Halen song.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

Did anyone else notice that Peppers played nearly the entire game at the line of scrimmage? Sure enough, on the Wilson TD run, that was Peppers getting smoked by committing too fast and overrunning the play.

Heck of an athlete, but ZERO discipline, and I mean like ZERO discipline, just like the Van Halen song.

Yeah you could tell he has every skill. Reminded me of watching Troy go rogue @ times. He is going to be big time. And zero discipline is how some great guys play, especially Troy in the later years. If Harbaugh is letting him loose this early he sees something big.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Well Dan, that's the beauty of hating the entire rest of the BigTen. I am not conflicted in any way. I want Michigan to lose tonight. I want Minny to lose. I want every other BigTen team to lose every out of conference game in every sport from now until the end of the world. And, as an added benefit, if the BigTen teams win, I can say, "Well, at least this may help Penn State". Per my decision a couple of years ago, I am not watching the games, but I do check the scores here, or on line. So far I am a happy guy.

I understand where you are coming from, Gambit, but I nevertheless feel that line of thinking is a bit eff'ed up. A lot of posters from other BIG schools were less than supportive in 2011 and 2012. I get that, and eff them. But you're gonna carry a grudge against other, younger posters from those schools; "until the end of the world?"

 

[Alphabets]

There's 3 things I love in the morning.... coffee, napalm and a Michigan loss the night before.

Hail to my nutsack, Meeeeeeeechigan!!!

 

[MD_Gene]

I care how highly PSU is ranked, what bowl game they get invited to, and want them to have a chance to go to the 4 game playoff someday. I can assure you that all of our potential recruits are about these things as much or more than I do. Having other Big Ten teams undermines all of the aforementioned goals (high ranking, good bowls, playoffs). If you can't see this then you are blind or dense.

The only argument that could be made is that fans at home don't impact the outcome of a game. To say that the end result of OOC games for other big ten teams doesn't impact penn state is crazy.

I agree, OOC reflects on how tough the conference is. I like to see the Big 10 teams wind their bowl games too. I am tired of the SEC people claiming that their conference is a gift from God.

 

[bjf1984]

I agree, OOC reflects on how tough the conference is. I like to see the Big 10 teams wind their bowl games too. I am tired of the SEC people claiming that their conference is a gift from God.

Agree.

The more games Michigan/OSU win.......the tougher PSU's recruiting job becomes, the tougher it becomes to win the B1G East, and the less likely PSU is to win the B1G and go on to major bowl games and the "playoffs".

Just one more reason - if one was needed - to root against them.

 

[fairgambit]

I understand where you are coming from, Gambit, but I nevertheless feel that line of thinking is a bit eff'ed up. A lot of posters from other BIG schools were less than supportive in 2011 and 2012. I get that, and eff them. But you're gonna carry a grudge against other, younger posters from those schools; "until the end of the world?"

First, I think it goes without saying that this is only about me wanting other Big Ten schools to lose athletic events. I wish no ill on any individual player or school. As to the grudge "until the end of the world", I thought I was being kind. I was going to hold it until the BigTen offered an apology for their rush to judgment on Joe and their treatment of Penn State, but I figured the end of the world would come sooner.

 

[Marshall30]

Dancing in the streets with utter Joy.

Meat losses again.

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a

 

[royboy]

Agree.

The more games Michigan/OSU win.......the tougher PSU's recruiting job becomes, the tougher it becomes to win the B1G East, and the less likely PSU is to win the B1G and go on to major bowl games and the "playoffs".

Just one more reason - if one was needed - to root against them.

yeah, we can find examples of one team dominating a so-so conference and contending for championships on a regular basis----but there are also examples like Alabama, where they play in a great conference but recruit and coach so well that they are contenders nearly every year. Seems to me the success of the B1G is not a negative for PSU....not to say I mind seeing Michigan lose.

Recruiting? Harbaugh vs James Franklin? --- I'd certainly prefer a guy like Franklin, and I'll guess many prospects and their families will agree

 

[step.eng69]

Thank you gentlemen, all dialogue on this thread was fantastic and entertaining.
Off today and enjoying my initial hours of freedom from work reading you.

For the Glory.....

Tom

 

[Marshall30]

Thank you gentlemen, all dialogue on this thread was fantastic and entertaining.
Off today and enjoying my initial hours of freedom from work reading you.

For the Glory.....

Tom

To answer your previous question about the train, both my father and father in law were railroaders. At one time we rode anywhere for free, but now there's a slight charge. Yes, you used to be able to get a drink at 3am. Ask the porter or conductor when they come around.

 

[Bushwood CC]

And yet, despite a crappy Ten conference, Ohio State manages to get in showing that a team can be in a weak conference and gets in the playoff thingie.

"playoff thingie" a perfect description as it is not a "playoff" in the true sense of the word - it is an "invitational tournament" (e.g., a sugar-coated name for a "Beauty Pageant"). There is zero empirical evidence that tO$U was a better team than either TCU or Baylor last year and there is zero empirical justification for keeping TCU or Baylor out a true playoff that at the very least should include Conference Champions as they do in virtually every sport at every level featuring a "playoff" (even if it means a "Play-In" Bracket for a spot for Non-BCS DI-A Conferences - to be a credible "playoff", a team that wins during the regular season must have a route to the "playoff bracket" until somebody proves they don't belong, that's the way a true "Play" - "Off" System works.).

 

[jj410]

Oh, geography. They have more contributors from Florida than PA. Shut up.

That's because there are more good players in FL. Because of their success, they have new clout in recruiting, even in FL. So thanks for proving my point - success on the field breeds success in recruiting which breeds success on the field, so I hope all of PSU's B10 rivals don't have success on the field. Or is that too much logic for you?

 

[step.eng69]

To answer your previous question about the train, both my father and father in law were railroaders. At one time we rode anywhere for free, but now there's a slight charge. Yes, you used to be able to get a drink at 3am. Ask the porter or conductor when they come around.

In the 50's and early 60's road rail to Louisiana and Colorado ..Pullman to CO...
Loved the sounds, the echos and smells of central syations , fantastic. I was in second and fifth grades respectively.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

That's because there are more good players in FL. Because of their success, they have new clout in recruiting, even in FL. So thanks for proving my point - success on the field breeds success in recruiting which breeds success on the field, so I hope all of PSU's B10 rivals don't have success on the field. Or is that too much logic for you?

You have contradicted your own point so bad. They are national recruiters. They are basically picking right now and STILL we are beating them head to head. Too much logic? Do you understand that logic shows that even though they are defending champs and 24-0 in regular season conference play since Meyer took over that RIGHT NOW we are outrecruiting them regarding guys that both schools are in play for in a way that hasn't happened since the 90's. They are the IT school right now. Who do you feel we have lost due to their success? Yeah, I know. You don't have a name.

Don't talk about logic when you don't even make sense.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

My point is that both schools speak for themselves. They sell themselves but they also have really good people introducing them. If you want to go to OSU, you will. If you want to go to PSU or UM, you will. Good conference helps teams like Minnesota who can sell recruits on playing the elite of the elite if they might not get the big big offer.

A strong conference is good on a lot of levels. Spite is stupid especially when it means nothing and hurts nobody but yourself possibly. If we have a good team I want them playing teams that would allow for a slip or two. Look what happened to Baylor and TCU last year and will again this year if a repeat situation occurs.

 

[LafayetteBear]

From 2003 through 2008, the PAC-10 sucked.....aside from USC

USC reeled in all the top talent from California, kicked ass, and was the national darling - playing for a handful of championships.
During that time, the three biggest potential rivals (Oregon/UCLA/Stanford) went a combined 111 wins, 109 losses......and the rest of the conference was awful.

Didn't hurt USC any.

Barry: LOL, felt I had to respond to that post. You are correct in noting that USC dominated the Pac 12 during the Pete Carroll years (which includes 2003-2008), but there were other teams that had good seasons during that period. Cal has been awful in plenty of seasons but, from 2004 to 2006, we went 11-2, 8-4 and 9-3. Oregon was pretty decent in some of those years, as well. In 2005, 2007 and 2008, the Ducks went 10-2, 9-4, and 9-3. They were not a .500 team, as your post suggests..

 

[bjf1984]

Barry: LOL, felt I had to respond to that post. You are correct in noting that USC dominated the Pac 12 during the Pete Carroll years (which includes 2003-2008), but there were other teams that had good seasons during that period. Cal has been awful in plenty of seasons but, from 2004 to 2006, we went 11-2, 8-4 and 9-3. Oregon was pretty decent in some of those years, as well. In 2005, 2007 and 2008, the Ducks went 10-2, 9-4, and 9-3. They were not a .500 team, as your post suggests..

NO, I didn't "suggest" anything. What I said was they were a combined 111-109 (which, though I didn't mention it, is a 50.5% winning percentage, NOT 50% )

LOL. Point being, they ruled the roost in the PAC-10 throughout that time.......which went hand-in-hand with them being able to cherry-pick the top recruits from California (and elsewhere), win a ton of games, and play for championships. Just like FSU has done in the ACC.

All of those things that some folks seem to feel are impossible - or at least more difficult - unless you play in a "strong conference"

 

[Marshall30]

In the 50's and early 60's road rail to Louisiana and Colorado ..Pullman to CO...
Loved the sounds, the echos and smells of central syations , fantastic. I was in second and fifth grades respectively.

If we were bored on weekends, my dad & mom would take us on freebie rides to around and back from Horseshoe Curve.

 

[jimmysfly]

I'm not going to line up to wash Harbaughs balls after his team just got handled up front, made a ton of mistakes on both sides of the ball, and was beaten soundly by a team with little to no passing game. In addition, the game was made to look closer by a total horse $hit call on the punt at the 2 minute mark, followed by a pathetic prevent defense. Michigan's only touchdown came as a result of a total moron play by Utah's LB hitting Ruddock late. Michigan was manhandled tonight, and the party is on at my place...now GO HORNED FROGS AND MAKE THIS A CELEBRATION THAT GOES INTO THE WEE HOURS.

You and the other PSU fans that makes this illogical, monolithic argument that the BIG and all of its collective fanbases are against all things PSU is a damn sickness. I absolutely root for your new hockey program, have tons of respect for your volleyball program, hope that someday your basketball program will capitalize on excellent Pa prep basketball & I think you can absolutely usher in a strong Mid-Atlantic to Northeast trio now that Md and Rutgers are in the league.

What have Minnesota fans ever done to PSU fans? Your an idiot if you think most of the BIG West is typical Rust Belt culture that worships all things OSU & Michigan. I've attended more than 30 games where Minnesota has hosted PSU in some sport or another since you joined the league & we've been incredibly nice to your fans. Very few, if any Minny fans care much about what happened with your scandal, other than it was a tragic situation that got out of control. Moreover, Minny fans generally root for you against the likes of OSU or Michigan. Which brings up my next point: most of the BIG has disliked OSU & MI since long, long before you joined the conference.

You are sick, horrible human being for branding the entire conference, its fanbases, because of past Michigan or OSU officiating bias and the decisions by the front offices in Illinois.

You're living in a bubble of imaginary hate. Absolutely sick. Bottom line, you didn't win as much as you thought after joining the BIG with JoPa & you kept him around about 10 years past his retirement & now you want to blame the rest of the conference for the sad ending of his career and tenure.

Minnesota is an underdog football school in the modern era, yet you wanted TCU because of grievances that were ultimately initiated in Happy Valley. Unbelievable.

 

[LafayetteBear]

NO, I didn't "suggest" anything. What I said was they were a combined 111-109 (which, though I didn't mention it, is a 50.5% winning percentage, NOT 50% )

LOL. Point being, they ruled the roost in the PAC-10 throughout that time.......which went hand-in-hand with them being able to cherry-pick the top recruits from California (and elsewhere), win a ton of games, and play for championships. Just like FSU has done in the ACC.

All of those things that some folks seem to feel are impossible - or at least more difficult - unless you play in a "strong conference"

Well, what you expressly said was "During that time...the rest of the [Pac 10] conference was awful." That is simply not true. SC dominated, yes, but there were other good teams in the Pac 10 then, just as there are several good teams in the Pac 12 right now. The Pac 12 has six teams in the preseason Top 25. I would not characterize it as a weak conference.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

To answer your previous question about the train, both my father and father in law were railroaders. At one time we rode anywhere for free, but now there's a slight charge. Yes, you used to be able to get a drink at 3am. Ask the porter or conductor when they come around.

Heard a classic line from a guy I worked with who once was a bartender on an Amtrak Club Car "you can get a lot of p-ssy on a train". LOL