WTF was Winovich (15) still in the game??

[NittPicker]

I know nothing about his brother, but historically I can't imagine our guys spend that much time at TJ, since they're really not welcome there.

This is a very big piece of the Winovich story.

His brother Peter is still listed in the Rivals database. He was a two star with listed offers from Bowling Green, Akron, Ohio, and Richmond. For some reason younger brother Chase is pissed at Penn State for not offering even though there was no offer from Michigan either. Even Pitt didn't offer and they generally offer anyone with a pulse in the WPIAL.

My guess is Chase Winovich was simply trying to find a way to motivate himself even if it was a phony source of motivation about something which happened in 2004. He admitted to making it a personal thing. If he was really passionate about playing the game he wouldn't need to resort to ginned up tales of his brother being disrespected.

 

[LurkerLazarus]

I think Michigan came in late with Winovich, otherwise he was going to WVU.

 

[massimoManca II]

Trace is one tough S.O.B. ... this was an ugly incident, very lucky the kid brushed this off...

 

[royboy]

I think Michigan came in late with Winovich, otherwise he was going to WVU.

Winovich coming in late?

That's a theme, as mM II illustrates above.

 

[hlstone]

The one that most surprised me was the failure to challenge (or for the refs to simply have missed) Trace's inability to get the ball over the LOS while trying to avoid the sack. It seemed to be the textbook example of grounding, but...

here is where my knowledge of CFB rules gets murky. I thought there was a receiver within hailing distance of where the "throw" was headed. So... does this change the need for the ball to reach the LOS?

If not, it was clear as a bell and we didn't even hurry to run the next play. The booth guys got it and it seemed obvious even watching it normal speed on TV. How UM's booth guys would not have seen it (and again, how did the refs not?)... just odd.

Barkley was the intended receiver. He was held on his crossing route. That is where the penalty should have been called.

 

[PSU2UNC]

If there is a receiver in the area it does not have to cross the line of scrimmage....i didn't see a receiver but they didn't replay it many times

Barkley was 5 yards(?) from where the pass hit the ground. "In the area" is pretty squishy. He threw it in Barkley's direction and it didn't make it there.

But it was more of a legitimate pass attempt than when a QB fires the ball at the feet of his RB because he's about to get hit.

 

[PSUcup1]

I was running around most of the first half and missed this play. Just watched it.

Now I know why Ryan Bates stood right in his face with his arms raised after our last TD. Wish someone had gotten a picture because Bates got right in his face. Winovich speared Trace right in front of Ryan

just watched that TD again... Bates is definitely talking shit to him while standing above him .... love it!

 

[PSUSignore]

Barkley was 5 yards(?) from where the pass hit the ground. "In the area" is pretty squishy. He threw it in Barkley's direction and it didn't make it there.

But it was more of a legitimate pass attempt than when a QB fires the ball at the feet of his RB because he's about to get hit.

I saw Barkley "in the area" while the talking heads were discussing if the pass crossed the LOS, which didn't matter. I don't know what the rulebook definition of "in the area" is, but in my experience watching games the refs generally seem to be very forgiving with this and seem to err on the side of there being a receiver there if they are anywhere loosely in the vicinity. Barkley didn't have a chance to catch that ball, but I think in sticking with the refs general stance on what "in the area" really means this is probably why they didn't call grounding. Had they called it I wouldn't have had a huge problem with it either, but I wasn't surprised it wasn't called.

 

[marshall23]

Speaking of Speight - wonder if he was laughing at Don Brown after the 8th time Barkley burned an LB assigned to him by Don Einstein or the 8th time we burned their corners on a slant

Don't know about Speight, he probably didn't make the trip. I did see Moorhead and Franklin enjoying a conversation with broad smiles and a few of our players seemed to be laughing. All of this comes with winning. I think the only thing Speight did wrong was to share the story with the press.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

It’s very simple.....if O’Neill was officiating, it would have been an intentional grounding call. Otherwise, it was a reasonable no call as Barkley was an eligible receiver.