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Wyoming dual - Sun, Dec 15

We should kinda treat each as a distinct case. I can see having some spillover for same staff, different time. But no reason to criticize one staff or wrestler for another’s actions.
It isn't a criticism. We have no idea if the kids were still hurt or healthy and protecting seeds. When we claim we know we look as foolish as Ferentz. Therefore my desire to just make it a blanket thing. If you don't show up with your best. Oh well, other teams will.

I guess the other part that is bugging me is other than mandated matches against a couple high quality Big10 teams (Iowa, tOSU, Neb) we don't reach out and schedule anybody who would truly appreciate having a crack at the king. Missouri is an exception this year. Then the teams we do schedule leave their one, two or three studs at home.

I don’t miss many matches, either in person or via streaming and I haven't missed very many for a long time. I would just like a couple non Big10 challenges with some individual studs to challenge things.

A single for instance. VaTech coming into Rec Hall and watching freshman Bo Nickal completely outwrestle Zach Epperly, early season favorite at the weight.
 
So what do you think they should have done with their two best guys who were hurt? What is the solution here?
I already said what I think. If they are hurt they should not wrestle, but I also think we should move on from wrestling them in the future, with the exception of a promised return visit.
 
Not necessarily doing that. I get athletes get hurt and miss competitive moments. I also get i am being a hard ass about it and my opinion isn't shared by many others (possibly any others). I just don't like the roll over and happily take my beating matches, and not coming with their best guys (even through no fault of their own) just adds to the frustration. I think Stutzman did this with a couple Buffalo kids the one year and it bugged me then.
Actually said this to my friend after Sunday regarding the Buffalo match. I think Cael is understanding to a point. Every bit of the schedule is done for a reason and the last match is supposed to be a light day compared to the B10 schedule but PSU wants their guys against your top guys
 
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Not necessarily doing that. I get athletes get hurt and miss competitive moments. I also get i am being a hard ass about it and my opinion isn't shared by many others (possibly any others). I just don't like the roll over and happily take my beating matches, and not coming with their best guys (even through no fault of their own) just adds to the frustration. I think Stutzman did this with a couple Buffalo kids the one year and it bugged me then.
Even Kyle Todrank?
 
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I already said what I think. If they are hurt they should not wrestle, but I also think we should move on from wrestling them in the future, with the exception of a promised return visit.

I guess it’s a good thing other schools don’t hold us to this same standard. We would’ve run out of opponents to wrestle years ago.
 
I guess it’s a good thing other schools don’t hold us to this same standard. We would’ve run out of opponents to wrestle years ago.
I'm sorry Jason Nolf injured his knee against Rutgers, but we will no longer schedule you.
 
Such a weird take. People get injured. Nothing about those 2 guys being out was fishy.

Get used to blowouts. We’re going to beat even solid teams by 30+ this year (see, e.g. Lehigh). I, for one, am not complaining. Try being a Philadelphia sports fan for 50+ years and you then complain when your team dominates. I am reveling in this - and will continue to do so.

Some of you sound like lottery winners who’s first thought is to bitch about the tax hit
 
Narrow-minded is an OK description.
I just don't care how narrow-minded it appears, or is. Show up with your best team and try to compete.

It's nice that they do the good will tour, but it would be nice to see a couple kids get a challenge.
Well, it appears this is exactly what Wyoming did. It's just that Wyoming doesn't have a strong team, particularly without Volk and Novak. And the injuries to those two guys appear to be legit.

It's unfortunate that Volk and Novak couldn't compete, but it's almost like you're complaining that the PSU lineup is too good.
 
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Well, it appears this is exactly what Wyoming did. It's just that Wyoming doesn't have a strong team, particularly without Volk and Novak. And the injuries to those two guys appear to be legit.

It's unfortunate that Volk and Novak couldn't compete, but it's almost like you're complaining that the PSU lineup is too good.
Nope. Just venting.
 
Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Fact. Our starters need the work and the matches. Last year to few matches created some concerns.

If we start an bunch of backups we still probably shut them out, so what is gained there? Does 40-0 against 5 starter team eliminate the sting? Those kids can now have a story for the rest of their lives when they wrestled the best team, maybe ever.

Cael is the master, probably the best there has ever been at designing a schedule to target peak conditioning, confidence, mentality and skill for March. This match served a purpose.

This is just one step in the journey to possibly 5 guys in the hunt for Hodge as well.

Looking at this matchup from both sides, "it is what it is".

 
we don't reach out and schedule anybody who would truly appreciate having a crack at the king.
How do you know this? Do you have personal knowledge of what teams Penn State has tried to schedule? The easiest way to duck is to not schedule Penn State.
 
How do you know this? Do you have personal knowledge of what teams Penn State has tried to schedule? The easiest way to duck is to not schedule Penn State.
Since I said we don't schedule anybody, the personal knowledge is obtained by looking at the schedule. So yeah,I know.
 
Since I said we don't schedule anybody, the personal knowledge is obtained by looking at the schedule. So yeah,I know.
The biggest different over the last 15 years is the early season schedule, Here is the writeup on the 2010-11 schedule:

https://gantnews.com/2010/06/24/penn-state-wrestling-announces-2010-11-schedule/#google_vignette

Before January 7th, PSU had already wrestled,

Bloomsburg
Lehigh
Sprawl and Brawl Duals
Nittany Lion Open
Lock Haven
Ohio State
Southern Scuffle
Virginia Duals

I miss those days.

The 2024-25 schedule has three dual meets instead of four during that time period, and two tournaments instead of four.

I understand the why of the new schedule but I still yearn for more wrestling action tbh.
 
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The biggest different over the last 15 years is the early season schedule, Here is the writeup on the 2010-11 schedule:

https://gantnews.com/2010/06/24/penn-state-wrestling-announces-2010-11-schedule/#google_vignette

Before January 7th, PSU had already wrestled,

Bloomsburg
Lehigh
Sprawl and Brawl Duals
Nittany Lion Open
Lock Haven
Ohio State
Southern Scuffle
Virginia Duals

I miss those days.

The 2024-25 schedule has three dual meets instead of four during that time period, and two tournaments instead of four.

I understand the why of the new schedule but I still yearn for more wrestling action tbh.
It's all volume management.
 
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of course, but one can always yearn for more

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The biggest different over the last 15 years is the early season schedule, Here is the writeup on the 2010-11 schedule:

https://gantnews.com/2010/06/24/penn-state-wrestling-announces-2010-11-schedule/#google_vignette

Before January 7th, PSU had already wrestled,

Bloomsburg
Lehigh
Sprawl and Brawl Duals
Nittany Lion Open
Lock Haven
Ohio State
Southern Scuffle
Virginia Duals

I miss those days.

The 2024-25 schedule has three dual meets instead of four during that time period, and two tournaments instead of four.

I understand the why of the new schedule but I still yearn for more wrestling action tbh.
It is a combination.
Volume management as noted by BnB is big part of it.
At the beginning it was about getting a look at and a feel for as much of the competition as possible so attack plans could be devised for post season success. Now the look at others' elite talent isn't necessary due to the talent in the room. In the PSU room one can practice with world class compeition on a daily basis and in a week's time never duplicate a practice partner.

I think most people understand the reasons. I, as a fan, want to be entertained. For shear entertainment reasons schedule a dual with NCST or ISU instead of Wyoming.
 
It is a combination.
Volume management as noted by BnB is big part of it.
At the beginning it was about getting a look at and a feel for as much of the competition as possible so attack plans could be devised for post season success. Now the look at others' elite talent isn't necessary due to the talent in the room. In the PSU room one can practice with world class compeition on a daily basis and in a week's time never duplicate a practice partner.

I think most people understand the reasons. I, as a fan, want to be entertained. For shear entertainment reasons schedule a dual with NCST or ISU instead of Wyoming.
Bingo
 
Actually, the match with Wyoming is more like a shearing. F'ing autocorrect gotcha. ;)
Very funny. Shearing …. we have a large flock/herd of sheep on our farm and it’s hard work. Interesting kinda-sorta-fact: according to the AI program I use (not Google because I abhor ads) the highest ever college D-1 score is 54 [54 points, achieved by Oklahoma State against Northern Colorado in 2020]. Not sure this is correct, but, if true we tied a record this past Sunday.
 
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Just a thought or 2.
1. I wish they would compete against a Cornell, NCST, VATech, ISU or OkieSt instead of Wyoming or something similar.
2. If they are going to compete against a Wyoming or something similar and that team can't field their best lineup they should be eliminated from future schedule considerations.
I have a feeling it's is also for some easy rpi points to help keep injuries down.
 
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I thought the Wyoming match was/is perfect: Going to get challenged at a few weights, going to have to break a sweat at a few weights, probably huge favorites at a few weights.
Injuries changed the first part but that's no one's fault. There were ranked on ranked that took place Saturday just the same, and for better or worse, our guys are unicorns and turn most of those into bloodbaths as well.
 
I thought the Wyoming match was/is perfect: Going to get challenged at a few weights, going to have to break a sweat at a few weights, probably huge favorites at a few weights.
Injuries changed the first part but that's no one's fault. There were ranked on ranked that took place Saturday just the same, and for better or worse, our guys are unicorns and turn most of those into bloodbaths as well.
This team is so good they won't be challenged in any match. The final score won't be as ugly as against WY but it will indicate dominance.
 
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This team is so good they won't be challenged in any match. The final score won't be as ugly as against WY but it will indicate dominance.
Exactly.

Plus, I am certain that Wyoming knew something like this would happen. It is worth it for the matches and, more importantly, to get the return date. That Laramie match will be marketed like it's their Super Bowl all Summer and Fall, and should be.
 
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