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Regardless of the outcome We took a hosing from these officials

While the holding by the Oregon OL was constant and blatant, I'll give them those non-calls without complaining (to be fair and so nobody can claim I'm a homer). Let's call it the "let them play" rule. But there were multiple calls and non-calls which not only made no sense, they would appear to prove that "the fix was in" and I've NEVER suggested something like that publicly on a forum. I'm not sure about the personal foul on the kickoff because I didn't see the replay, but was there ANYTHING there to call? I think the most blatant and obvious call was the Evans catch that mysteriously was called back AFTER it was called a catch on the field and spotted as a first down with no apparent review. How/why can they arbitrarily pick up the ball and march backwards and call it an incomplete pass when the call on the field was a legal catch (and the replays obviously confirmed that it WAS a legal catch)? Then you have the 49 yard touchdown where Gabriel was close to the LOS (I personally don't think he crossed it, but don't know what the rule is when you're in the air when you release the ball and your feet land past the LOS), but you CLEARLY had an OL downfield and there is clearly a line judge who is watching it. I don't recall down and distance on that play and perhaps Oregon would have still scored, but an obvious penalty and loss of down at midfield would have clearly benefitted PSU. Then you had the VERY obvious push off by their Tight end on 4th and 2. Obviously if it was called, that could have changed the outcome. Finally, you have the "fair catch". The replay seems to show the PSU receiver making an adjustment to the ball in the air and he waves his hand to keep his balance. His hand never went above the shoulder pads and even if it was close, the play should have been called dead and PSU should have been flagged for trying to return the ball. Obviously neither of those things happened. You have one ref who is watching the receiver and has been tasked with determining if a fair catch was called and he never whistled the play dead, nor did any of the other officials until after he was 30 yards downfield and out of bounds. They called that back because the Oregon HC complained and for no other reason at all. You also have the dead ball call where Allar was getting mugged well after several whistles were blown. On this one, again, I'll give you the "let them play" rule, but nobody would have thought a personal foul call there was unjustified. And even with all of these patently obvious calls/non-calls, I don't remember one very obvious penalty that PSU got away with or even one ticky tacky call that went against Oregon.

Anyone who claims that PSU benefitted as much as Oregon from the officiating has their heads up their butts and like many other posters on this thread, I don't complain about these things week in and week out.

Perspective

I was all hyped up to watch the game yesterday morning even though PSU, a team made of developing players by in large was playing a billionaire bought team with a 6 yr experienced QB vs our 3 year starter and the best speed that Mr Knight could buy, added by an officiating crew that is unequivocally the worst PSU could draw. No matter, I was hyped for PSUs possibilities.

Then all that changed in a second when mid morning I was looking for my outdated passport to use in filling out an application for my new passport. Leafing through a box for the passport I came upon a batch of photos. One had 3 infant children playing together at my parents house pool side 5, 3 and 2 years old : my 2 sons and my niece. All have passed since August of 2022. I immediately looked over my left shoulder at photos of my step daughter. She passed in 2014.

Instantly, I was broken again. I lost all focus and desire for watching the game and everything else. I did later set up recording the game and went to bed emotionally exhausted. I awoke at 2:45 am and watched the game without interruptions. Afterward, I knew this board would be filled pretty much with the whining, bitching and sobbing of infantile adults. Yet I came here like the addicted dumbass that I am hoping for better yet again.

If you want poise, perspective and near perfection from 17 to 21 year olds on the field of play in these times then I suggest you get a grip and open the doors of your own life to the same. We all need to get a grip.

Big Game James - Now 13.6% win rate in these games…

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.
We needed to stay within one “regular” score. We then had to hope to force a TO and TD to tie. At that point, after the boneheaded decision, we now had to make a stop or a TO and MAKE A 2pt to just tie and force OT which this stupid decision was theoretically trying to avoid.

1-14 is not a shock at this point. It’s a culture.

Hypothetical OK ST vs PSU matchup

Feldman was on the verge of being pinned. Not sure of the exact injury.

As good as they looked, I’d feel very confident PSU outplace them at every weight and if PSU dual them, would be a shut out.

They wouldn’t have one guy favored against PSU. (I’m not talking about wrestlestat, I’m talking real life)

Pretty scary the separation..
125, a don't sleep on 141.

PSU/Oregon game to be in September

He is a kid. 20 years old. He will be back.
When watching his emotions- especially after flubbled plays by himself or others- it appears he has a lot of growing up to do before being expected to play and lead professionals.

I had this really odd thought during SEC championship that we get Ewers next year. Still may keep Beau here...but it seems likely that the Manning hype will chase him out.

I'm generally in favor of developing our qbs but if Coach K stays- we need a top talent. If Beau remains productive he still has a shot his last year, plus with Ewers injury history he is always 1 snap away...

Choice #1 is a Drew return. Best for both parties....

Worst officiated game against us since OSU 2014

the most telling play, to me, was when our defender got a tfl in spite of the fact that he was being blocked in the back and tackled same time running back was being tackled...no call.
their online was consistently wrapping their arms outside the shoulders of our defenders. Not saying we didn't do it as well, but we are definitely not as good at it as them.
Yeah I forgot about that.

anybody listening to the UFO hearings today?

Maybe you can't change them, but neither you nor Einstein can actually prove to know them.

It's amazing to me how some people think that we have our physical world all figured out. I suggest they take some time to look into quantum mechanics; there are things going on that Einstein and all the other top physicists can't explain and puts into question what actually is reality.

For example when it comes to the the speed of light, scientist have determined that particles can influence each other simultaneously over vast distances i.e. many light years - see "spooky action at a distance" thus negating the cosmic speed limit. It is also accepted that objects can be in two places at the same time.

Until we can unify the bizarre quantum world with general/special relativity and the fundamental forces that we do understand, we are missing a lot of the picture which means there may be incredible possibilities for advancement in technology if/when we do figure it out.
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I can't disagree. The closest bout would be 174 but stylistically that matchup would favor Haines.
I don’t see that one being competitive. Hamiti fun to watch no doubt, but there’s levels to this stuff and there’s a reason Levi is 2 for 2 in finals appearances and Hamiti come tourney time isn’t same as regular season.

The only PSU guy, I still can’t predict with certainty is Barr. He hasn’t lost in college which is impressive, but still not sure what level he’s on. Today will tell a lot
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Big Game James - Now 13.6% win rate in these games…

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.
Probability of losing also goes way up when you don't convert. And in the NFL it makes more sense to avoid OT as you may not get the ball. We ran a gimmick play on top of that. It wasn't a necessary decision and factored into the play call at the end. Analytics are a guide...you don't follow the blindly. He does.
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(Mod note - several posts below moved from the CKLV thread)


DT had his boys humming this weekend. Every guy performed at or above seed. Nearly 50% bonus rate for the tournament. Caleb Fish coming off RS at 157 since Teague will seek a MRS.
As good as they looked, I’d feel very confident PSU outplace them at every weight and if PSU dual them, would be a shut out.

They wouldn’t have one guy favored against PSU. (I’m not talking about wrestlestat, I’m talking real life)

Pretty scary the separation..

Big Game James - Now 13.6% win rate in these games…

You guys do know that statistically the probability of winning the game goes up if you convert the two point conversion that they tried. Are you not watching other college and NFL games since that’s what coaches are doing? If you are down to scores you go for two there. If you go to the other site, you can see a thread showing all of the probabilities.
So you run a low probability play, the 2 pt attempt, hoping it slightly increases the odds of winning the game, if successful.

When, in reality, the far more likely outcome, that the two point attempt fails, greatly decreases your odds of winning.

Makes absolutely no statistical sense at all.
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Worst officiated game against us since OSU 2014

They had them where they wanted them coming out for the second half. Just missed that pass to Warren down the middle. That would have changed everything despite their blunders.
Not arguing that play - it would’ve been a TD and a completely different game.

But immediately following that third down call, the Oregon defender slams Allar after the whistle and nothing was done, while PSU was given FOUR 15 yard penalties in the first half. Missed FG, Oregon TD, and PSU is back to a two TD hole.

A lot went wrong, many missed opportunities, bad play calls - but the refs were also horrific.

Football GAMEDAY THREAD: Penn State versus Oregon in 2024 B1G Championship

Im leaning towards the 2nd. Minus our slow starts, undisciplined penalties, lack of forcing turnovers, suspect coaching decisions, and we were certainly on the wrong side of the whistle tonight, I thought our offense played their best game of the year. Problem is, our slow starts, undisciplined penalties, inability to force turnovers, suspect coaching decisions and being on the wrong side of the whistle are all baked into the cake in big games under James in this conference.
LOL...well said. But, hey, a longer runway will help swing the pendulum of our program.
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