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I Wish We Had A Tape Of The 1979 Pitt - PSU Coin Toss!

IIRC - a big if these days - that was the year Pitt won the coin toss and their captains couldn't figure out what to do, they kept telling the official they wanted to receive at this end of the field, the official kept saying you only get one choice, they kept looking back at their bench for guidance.

The announcers were going nuts.....PSU's captains were going nuts.....I think Pitt ended up kicking into the wind and PSU got their choice in the second half.

Anyone else remember that?

What pranks did you, or your roommates pull off when you were a student at PSU?

I was at Penn State in the early 70's when streaking was en vogue. My Beaver Hall room mate, Joe T., was the King of Streaking! He also was the King of Pranking others such as:
1. Putting blue shoe polish on the phone ear pieces in the hallways and calling someone to tell them that they have black shoe polish on their ears.
2. Putting toothpaste in a match box, lighting it on fire, and pushing it under the door. The toothpaste would explode and make quite a mess!
3. Peeing in a trash can and then leaning the can against the outside of a door, knock on the door and run like hell!
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OT: Is there an established protocol for civilians during the National Anthem?

What do you do? I may not recall correctly, but it seems to me that hand over heart has become a practice over the past few decades. I recall standing at attention in my younger years with arms at sides. Certainly hats should be removed. In school we were taught to place hand over heart during the Pledge of Allegiance. Since 9/11, some/all MLB teams play Good Bless America in a later inning. It now seems to be a secondary anthem, with most people removing caps and placing hand over heart. I'm not aware of anything official for the latter. I have mixed feelings about "two anthems," particularly a religious centric one.

Edit: Subsequently found the following from the American Legion. Nothing about "God Bless America."http://legionstuff.blogspot.com/2011/11/proper-protocol-for-allegiance-natl.html

Feckless: Edward Hintz

And finally, our anchor man…Edward Hintz. The back of Ed Hintz’s bubble gum card is perhaps the most crowded of any of the trustees. Hintz was elected to the board in 1994 as a business and industry trustee, serving until 2015. He was the chair from 2001 to 2003, and served on the executive committee for much/most of his time on the board. He has also served on boards for The Hershey Medical Center and the Corporation for Penn State, and on the 1995 and 2013 presidential search committees. All plum positions. The initial focus of this piece will be on his 2001-2003 term as board chair. Here, former Penn State trustee Bob Horst describes the co-opting of the six business and industry board seats in 2002:

“In 2002, then board chairman Edward Hintz, Jr. (an industrial trustee) appointed a committee to study and recommend changes to the process for electing industrial trustees. The outcome of the study was a name change to ‘business and industry’ trustees, and the election was eliminated. Not surprisingly, some are the largest financial contributors reported by the university. As Horst noted, the ‘stealth maneuver’ would henceforth eliminate outside elections altogether and move control to the business and industry trustees themselves, as they would control three of the five positions on the selection committee. Thus, not only would a small ‘power’ group of trustees control governance of the university, effectively there would be no way to remove or replace them.” (pennlive.com, updated 12/8/11)

Ray Blehar has said, “The so-called 33rd Trustee was Frederick Anton of the Pennsylvania Manufacturer's Association (PMA). PMA rigged the BOT mechanical and engineering elections for decades -- up until the point the Hintz and [now emeritus trustee Edward “Ted”] Junker revised the charter and came up with the insular selection process for the newly named Business and Industry Trustees.”

In an earlier installment, we learned that the six Ag society seats might have been fixed for years. For certain, the corruption in the B&I process has become institutionalized. In both cases, parties outside of the university have been involved in the hostile takeovers. You think the PMA/B&I group hijacked those positions so Karen Peetz could one day run the show, or that the Ag Societies commandeered theirs out of everlasting reverence for Keith Masser? At the top…who really controls these 12 positions?

The Ag seats are said to funnel up through Pennsylvania Farm Bureau and its former president and former PSU trustee Keith Eckel. Beyond the Penn State board, Eckel is connected to Corbett through service on his chosen gubernatorial transition team. Both bear the same “appearance of impropriety” outlined in our examination of Corbett. These six seats certainly appear to be under the control of the type of “network” we discussed in the last installment.

If possible, B&I connections are even more troubling. On paper, the Penn State board has been tied most strongly to The Second Mile…for many years…through the Business and Industry trustees, the group that has effectively seized control of the university. Long-time B&I trustee Lloyd Huck was a major ($23,000+, with further estate provisions) contributor to TSM, and his wife Dottie served on TSM’s board); William Schreyer’s daughter DrueAnne served on TSM’s board; L. J. Rowell, Jr. served on both Penn State and TSM boards, and was a TSM contributor; Ted Junker, involved in the 2002 B&I coup, and Quentin Wood were four-figure contributors, as were 11/5/11 trustees Linda Strumpf and James Broadhurst. In addition to his $12,000+ contribution to TSM, Ken Frazier shepherded the Freeh fraud, and…did there seem to you to be an air of desperation in his desire to “move on”? Though Ira Lubert, whose ties to TSM have been well-documented, was a governor-appointed trustee at 11/5/11, he’s now been adopted by the B&I group. This is just what we know at a glance. The control of these six seats, and indeed, the university, was gained and has been maintained dishonestly. The group responsible for that would appear to be heavily invested in the protection of The Second Mile, in need of that protection, or both. (Not a single 11/5/11 Ag trustee appeared on TSM’s donor list between 2005 and 2010. Of the 11/5/11 governor-appointed trustees, only Paul Silvis did. Lubert was a board member.)

If we consider the protection of The Second Mile to be within the scope of these outside parties, and that a trustee owes an allegiance to his/her sponsor, a picture comes into focus. Constructing a “path of influence” from the 32 11/5/11 trustees upward:

CORBETT – directly connected to the NETWORK.
GREIG, TOMALIS, ALLAN – connected to the NETWORK as appointees of Corbett.
KHOURY – connected to NETWORK as appointee of Corbett.
CLEMENS, DAMBLY, SILVIS, DI BERARDINIS – appointed to at least one term by Rendell, subject to future confirmation by Corbett; thus connected to NETWORK.
LUBERT – connected to NETWORK several ways: appointment by Rendell; connection to Rendell through casino licensing; direct close connections to The Second Mile; now a B&I trustee.
JOYNER – connected upward through Lubert to NETWORK; Lubert surrogate.
GARBAN – connected to NETWORK through TSM tie (son Drew, long-time TSM director).
ECKEL, HAYES, HETHERINGTON, MASSER, SHAFFER, HUBER – connected to NETWORK through corrupt election process controlled by Eckel/PFB; Eckel connection to Corbett, and “appearance of impropriety.”
BROADHURST, FRAZIER, HINTZ, PEETZ, STRUMPF, SURMA connected to NETWORK through B&I group’s close connections to TSM; with Frazier and Surma, both former board chairs having close personal connections to TSM.

That’s 24 of the 32 November 5, 2011 voting trustees who can plausibly be tied to such influence, directly or indirectly. I’ve asked myself “Why would every one of those trustees care so much about protecting The Second Mile, no matter what it costs the university? Why did PSU join the Corman lawsuit…on the NCAA’s side…against its own best interest? They can’t all be “bad guys,” can they? Aren’t there any honest trustees who would vote to do the ‘right’ thing, and if others hang…so be it? Why does my belly button look like this?”(Good research knows no bounds.) It just didn’t make sense. How do 32 trustees independently, and often uninformed, consistently make one baffling, terrible decision after another? But when I viewed it another way, it made perfect sense: What if they are not in their seats to serve Penn State? What if they are agents of their sponsors? At least a circumstantial case can be made that the ultimate “sponsor” for the six Ag society seats, the six B&I seats and the ten (at 11/5/11) governor-controlled seats is an outside network…or maybe two or three smaller networks that seem to work remarkably well together. That’s 22…a majority…a majority that included the most powerful: the B&I seats, which controlled the chair, which controlled committee chairs and appointments, which control the university.

Even after voting power was taken away from the governor, the Old Guard still had 21 of the 30 votes in their pocket. Then Tom Wolf defeated Corbett in 2014. Did things get a little “iffy”? I know little or nothing about Tom Wolf’s background or any ties with any network. But I’m not bad at math. With the nine votes Wolf would control by the end of his term, do things get interesting for the Old Guard if Wolf’s appointees and the nine alumni trustees agree to “play nice”? No doubt totally unrelated…within 10 days of the election, the OGBOT had created four new positions that they would control. Mark Dambly was just elected vice-chairman of the BOT by a reported vote of 20-14. A breakdown was not provided, but we can be reasonably sure the “20” included the 12 locked down B&I and Ag votes, the four new votes under OGBOT control, and three holdover governor appointees (Benson, Silvis and Dambly). Without those four new votes, that’s 16-14…uncomfortably close. By the time Wolf has all six of his direct appointees in place, an 18-16 governor/alumni coalition could be created. This would give the existing power bloc until 2017 (if it hasn’t happened already) to convince, corrupt, compromise, and/or intimidate 1) one governor; 2) two or more voting members; and/or 3) the process. Unless you think they’d risk ceding control and power quietly.


So…this wraps it up, guys. 32 up, 32 down. Within a few days after reading the Freeh Report, I embarked on a personal mission, without bias, to try to find the truth. Full disclosure: I met Graham Spanier once in a casual setting. He was gracious. I met Joe Paterno once. He was gracious. I probably reffed Tim Curley in an intramural football game…no opinion of him one way or the other endured. I’ve rooted for Ira Lubert on a wrestling mat, Paul Suhey on a football field, and Dave Joyner on both. They were all the “good guys” to me. After five years of homework?…yes, I have some opinions now. As a final bit of research for this series, I reread a passage in Joe Posnanski’s book “Paterno.” On the morning of November 8, 2011, Paterno family consultant Dan McGinn came to the Paterno residence. Posnanski wrote:

“This is when McGinn learned just how far Paterno’s reputation and influence had fallen. He asked [former Penn State football branding director Guido] D’Elia for the name of one person on the Penn State Board of Trustees, just one, whom they could reach out to, to negotiate a gracious ending. D’Elia shook his head. ‘One person on the board, that’s all we need,’ McGinn said. D’Elia shook his head again. ‘It began in 2004,’ he whispered, referring to Paterno’s clash with Spanier. ‘The board started to turn. We don’t have anybody on the board now.’”

It occurred to me: Every single one of these 32 spotlighted trustees (sub Erickson for Spanier) lined up solidly against Joe? If you’re looking to create a defense for Joe Paterno, there’s your closing argument.


I will leave you with two thoughts:


1. The names matter.

In “Paterno Legacy: Enduring Lessons from the Life and Death of My Father,” Jay Paterno wrote, “They announced a unanimous vote. Unanimous. Not one of the trustees voted for my father. Not a one? Then it hit me. It was about the anonymity in unanimity.”

Whatever their motivation, each of these 32 trustees committed to an expensive path that cast an everlasting stain upon Penn State University. Each had a personal choice. Each made hash of it. “Hey, 32…I’ve got your moral obligation right here: Fess up. Apologize. Step down. Atone.” Only one took as many as three of those four steps. Lubert, Peetz, Frazier, Garban, Myers, Silvis, Tomalis, Suhey, Joyner, Deviney, Eckel, Masser, Riley, Dambly, Broadhurst, Strumpf, Clemens, Arnelle, Jones, Alexander, Huber, DiBerardinis, Shaffer, Greig, Hayes, Khoury, Hetherington, Allan, Erickson, Surma, Corbett, Hintz. Never forget.


2. The names don’t matter.

As long as control of the university rests in dirty hands, one trustee is the same as another. Surma out; Dandrea in. Same guy, different name. Let me know the next time an Ag or B&I trustee defies the Network line. I won’t bother to wait up.


Oh…there is one last item I’d like to address on my way out the door:

In response to an earlier installment, LafayetteBear took exception to characterization of these trustees as “feckless”:


My issue with your use of the term [feckless] is that, while it applies, I do not think it is strong enough. IMO, the word suggests irresponsibility and incompetence rather than malign character and sociopathic disposition, which are qualities a lot of these Trustees have displayed. A more damning adjective would seem appropriate for them. And for the method of their selection.

Hmmm…you know…when you look at it that way….

If only I had a “do over.”

But I don’t. Somebody lock up for me?


SR/BHF

Kathleen Kane Did What Politicians Do … Only She Got Caught

Disgraced AG Kathleen Kane Did What Politicians Do … Only She Got Caught

Link to story:

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/dis...-did-what-politicians-do-only-she-got-caught/


Former Attorney General Kathleen Kane,once the rising star of the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania, was dealt a devastating blow Monday night. Kane, 50, was convicted of nine criminal charges including perjury and criminal conspiracy for leaking grand jury information about her Republican opponent, and then lying about it. She was forced to resign this afternoon. Her defense team is still reeling over the decision, but they pledge to appeal. Kane has long contended that she is a victim of selective and vindictive prosecution. She was accused of leaking grand jury information to The Philadelphia Daily News about a former leader of the NAACP whom her opponent chose not to prosecute.

Kane contends that the prosecution is retaliation for her exposing the “old-boys network” that was ripe in Pennsylvania government. The network that she exposed included pornographic and derogatory emails that led to the dismissal of two state Supreme Court justices and others. The back and forth between Kane and her opponents can fill lengthy articles. But the bottom line is, as I see it, Kane did what many politicians have done over the decades: she leaked confidential information to reporters. Only this time, she got caught. Her next mistake: She did a lousy job of trying to cover her tracks and got caught lying. What she did is clearly illegal, and there is no denying, as a prosecutor, she should have known better. Her opponents, and even her fellow Democrats, have condemned her actions and called for her resignation. But, I also think it is worth putting what she did in perspective and clearing the air of any pot-calling-the-kettle black that may be going on here.

Prosecutor John M. Morganelli, who ran for attorney general in Pennsylvania, put it succinctly to The New York Times. He said grand jury leaks are practically a league sport in Pennsylvania. Indeed, they are somewhat common in the world of investigative journalism. They’ve been the primary source for many an explosive story from our nation’s leading media outlets. So much so, The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press even put out guidance to journalists on how to deal with them. Most recently, a series of Grand Jury leaks over the death of Michael Brown sparked protests. For better or worse, those leaks were no doubt politically motivated and fanned the outrage in Ferguson, Missouri. No one was ever prosecuted for passing on that confidential information. In fact, to my knowledge, there was never even an investigation. The truth is, without leaks we would never get good information.
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Auditor General Eugene DePasquale announced the start of an audit of The Pennsylvania State Universi

WTF...excuse the language, but after the Kathleen debacle, I'm concerned this is just another façade. Is the Auditor General excluding the fiduciary responsibilities of the BOT? or did I read the article wrong and the audit will include the handling of the gifts to the accusers.

Auditor General DePasquale Starts Audit of Penn State University
Will review university’s follow up to child abuse scandal, governance changes, control of tuition hikes


HARRISBURG (Aug. 16, 2016) – Auditor General Eugene DePasquale today announced the start of an audit of The Pennsylvania State University that will review — among other things — the university’s reforms since the Jerry Sandusky child sexual abuse scandal, governance changes, and efforts to control tuition hikes.

“Nearly five years have passed since the news broke about Sandusky’s sexual abuse of children,” DePasquale said. “Through this audit, we will test the university’s implementation of new policies and procedures intended to prevent sexual, physical, or emotional abuse.”

Specifically, DePasquale said auditors will review the extent to which Penn State has implemented recommendations of a November 2012 Department of the Auditor General’s special report on governance reform in wake of the child sexual abuse scandal. Auditors also will determine if the university complies with all requirements for state and federal background checks for employees and others affiliated with the university.

The audit will also evaluate how the university responded to the report’s recommendations regarding the structure and function of the board of trustees’ governance related to transparency and accountability.

“We also will look at how Penn State complies with the federal and state laws relating to sexual violence prevention and response, sexual assault prevention, dating violence education and the protection of minors,” DePasquale said. “A university campus should be a safe place for all.”

He said auditors will also review any efforts by Penn State to control costs and hold the line on tuition increases.

“Parents and students at Penn State, and all college and universities for that matter, are grappling with how to pay for higher education,” DePasquale said. “Controlling spending is key to keeping tuition costs reigned in, and such expenditure monitoring is especially important for a taxpayer-supported institution such as Penn State.”

The audit will cover Jan. 1, 2013 through the end of audit procedures.
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Feckless: John Surma

Remember what I told you about Rodney Erickson the last time we met? It’s all John Surma’s fault.

Life was good for Penn State board vice-chairman John Surma on November 8, 2011. Jerry Sandusky had been indicted, along with V-P Gary Schultz and AD Tim Curley. Chairman Steve Garban stepped aside, handing the wheel to Surma. Here was his big chance. Though he had no idea how, or even if this connected to Joe Paterno, he wasn’t about to let the opportunity slip away. Never waste a crisis.

From all accounts, by about 2007, John Surma hated Joe Paterno. According to one source, Surma would ask President Graham Spanier about once a year, “Have you fired Paterno yet?” And Surma’s brother Vic was off the rails. In 2007, Vic Surma posted the following on a listserv board for former Penn State football players: “The Rat [Paterno] has hurt so many young men; destroyed their self-esteem, ruined their confidence, etc. I feel it is my obligation to expose his fraud to the national media before he checks out.” Vic’s incessant vitriolic posts got him banned from the group.

In Rich Scarcella’s 2003 book, “Penn State Nittany Lions – Stadium Stories,” Vic Surma was quoted as saying: “Joe instilled in us how to win. He’s a special man, a special person. There’s nobody better at taking high school players and making them win.” Huh? So what happened between 2003 and 2007?

Vic’s son, Vic Surma, Jr. was a member of Penn State’s football squad from 2003-2005, appearing in only two games. Perhaps more germanely, Surma, Jr. encountered drug and relationship problems during that time, went missing for several days, and was eventually asked to stay away from the football program until he got some help. According to notpsu.blogspot.com, several sources indicated that “(t)he Surma family put the problem on Joe and never forgave him. Even more important is the same change of attitude of John P. Surma at the same time. People who knew John were confused by the evident change of heart because he had been such a staunch Paterno supporter, but after 2007 made no attempt to hide his antipathy for the aging coach.” (For more detail on “The Surma Vendetta,” visit notpsu.blogspot.com. Barry Bozeman’s best work.) Surma, Jr. passed away on 1/26/14.

John Surma, who was in close contact with Corbett after the indictments, and the other trustees were furious on the afternoon of 11/5/11 when Spanier altered the script they had prepared for him, and released a statement that expressed sympathy for the victims, but also support for Schultz and Curley. Corbett wanted Spanier’s head anyway, and Surma wanted Paterno’s. There would be plenty to sort out later…but Spanier and Paterno would have to go…quickly.

Assistant coach Tom Bradley could help the football team limp to the season’s finish. But who would step in as president of the university? It would have to be someone who could be counted on to carry out unquestioningly any plan the scoundrels on the board would need to concoct. Someone utterly lacking in conscience, backbone or original thought. Someone, if Surma had his way…which he did… with a healthy distaste for Joe Paterno, big time college sports, or better yet…both. Maybe a guy who’d heard “No, you have to take him this time; we’ll just play without a right fielder,” a few too many times in his youth. A guy who’s been on the business end of a wedgie or two. An “errand boy,” if you will.

On November 8, 2011, John Surma spoke nine words that will live in Penn State infamy: “If it comes to it, we may need you.” “You” was Rodney Erickson.

The same day, according to numerous sources, Surma unilaterally canceled Joe Paterno’s scheduled news conference. He also established the Special Investigative Task Force, assigning Ken Frazier and Ron Tomalis to run it. Thus, the Freeh fraud was born.

The next day, Surma sort of took a vote among board members to determine Paterno’s fate. “Sort of,” in that no one really voted, but no one objected. That night, Surma betrayed no doubt to the world that Graham Spanier and Joe Paterno were to blame for covering up Jerry Sandusky’s crimes. Not that he had any idea himself. When asked, “But does the board believe there was any wrong here, and if so, …” Surma interrupted and replied: “The board doesn’t know that, and no one else does, either. This is very early in the process. The facts are not established. The board doesn’t really know that any more than anyone else does. And we will of course respect the law enforcement process that is still underway.”

By November 17, Louis Freeh had been hired, NCAA president Mark Emmert, flexing whatever muscle might lurk beneath his otherwise empty suit, sent a letter to Erickson, and John Surma apparently took advantage of a well-hidden clause in an equally well-hidden document to install Erickson as permanent president. I looked, but couldn’t find Surma’s authority in the Penn State charter, by-laws, standing orders, local traffic laws, zoning ordinances, Mom’s old recipe book, this week’s Sports Illustrated or behind the couch. Based on email evidence, Tom Corbett and board insiders Ken Frazier and Ron Tomalis were as surprised as anyone else. A trusted source reported that “the decision to hire Rod was made largely by Surma and Garban.” None of the board’s other members made a peep about such an “unconventional” hiring process. So twelve short days after the indictments…we’ve got Surma, Erickson and Freeh in command of the situation. “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.”

After the Freeh Report came out in July, 2012, Erickson was sent to negotiate with Emmert with strict orders: “Those guys did everything Freeh said they did. We don’t care if he has the right to interfere in this or not, do not challenge him. Do not come back to us without a deal. Sign whatever you have to, but do not let them investigate us…under any circumstances.” Needless to say, Rod wasn’t about to emerge from such negotiations walking Emmert on a leash. On 2/8/13, Surma announced that he would not seek reelection to the board when his term expired on 6/30/13. His work here was done.

I’ve wondered a good bit about what kind of foul witches’ brew might have been bubbling up during Sandusky’s early days at Penn State. Sandusky was a grad assistant in 1966, moved to Juniata in 1967 and Boston University in 1968. He returned to Penn State as a full-time assistant in 1969. Let’s take a whiff of the cauldron aboil during Sandusky’s first few years on duty:

Ira Lubert and Dave Joyner wrestled together (’70-’72). Joyner and Vic Surma played the same position on the football team (’69-’70). Vic Surma lived in a spare bedroom in Sandusky’s basement for a semester. Fullback Don Abbey (class of ’70), who has enjoyed a successful career in real estate in California, wrote a letter of recommendation for Ryan McCombie (also class of ’70) when McCombie ran successfully for an alumni seat on the BOT. Been awhile since I’ve been able to find it on the internet.

Abbey’s relationship with Joe Paterno blew hot and cold over the years. McCombie was closely associated with The Second Mile, having participated in its Friend Fitness program. He is a business associate of former Second Mile director Bruce Heim, and recommended Heim for the controversial, aborted Army pre-game coin toss in 2015. He has been photographed playing golf with Heim and former Penn State player Brian Gelzheiser, with self-professed Victim/Claimant #2 reportedly completing the foursome.

Ron Coder (class of ’75) played defense under Sandusky for at least part of his time at PSU. Ron’s father, Ron, Sr. was an early executive director of The Second Mile, and also served on the board of the Boalsburg Heritage Museum board of directors with former PSU trustee Anne Riley and convicted pedophile Christopher Lee. And Sandusky was Paul Suhey’s position coach in 1975-76 and his defensive coordinator in 1977-78. Jim Martin, Suhey’s orthopedics partner, testified as a character witness at trial for Sandusky. Suhey, Joyner and Vic Surma all had sons who got little or no playing time at Penn State under Joe Paterno. Suhey was also a fraternity brother of Joyner and Tim Curley.

John Surma (through U. S. Steel) was one of the Penn State board’s biggest contributors to The Second Mile, donating between $5,000 and $10,000 each year from 2005 through 2008, reducing their donation to between $2,000 and $5,000 in 2009 and 2010. (U. S. Steel also contributed $36,250 to Tom Corbett’s political campaigns between 2004 and 2012.) As was the case with some other trustees, Surma’s donations decreased at or near the same time the Sandusky/Central Mountain investigation began. But before we assume cause-and-effect there, it’s fair to note that U. S. Steel’s financial condition was deteriorating at the same time. The company followed up its $2.1 billion profit in 2008, with losses of $1.4 billion in 2009 and $482 million in 2010. Most companies would cut back on charitable contributions given those operating results. After the company’s stock price fell from $196/share in June of 2008 to less than $19/share in August of 2013, Surma was axed as CEO. The silver lining for John: Unlike the situation on November 9, 2011, no one had to wonder why. “How many CEOs of a company survive when the stock is down 90%?” said Charles Bradford, president of New York-based Bradford Research Inc. and a longtime observer of U. S. Steel.

Fiduciary responsibility to PSU…or stick it to the old man, and make big brother proud? Easy call for John Surma. “I feel it is my obligation to expose his fraud to the national media before he checks out.” U. S. Steel lost 90% of their value under John Surma’s leadership. They might have been the lucky ones.


SR/BHF

OT: Protein Bars

I thought this would be as good of a place as any to see what the collective BWI wisdom is regarding protein bars.

I will shortly be shifting from a cardio-based workout regimen for weight loss to one of mostly strength training for weight maintenance/adding lean muscle mass. Basically, I need to eat more calories per day. My hope is to not use these as meal replacement, rather before (or after) a workout and for a snack.

After trying a sampling of Pure Protein, Quest and other varieties, they all taste pretty much the same. I'm looking for one that is low in sugar and in the 150-250cal range. Many of the Cliff bars are absolutely loaded with sugar.

This is an entirely new area for me....so is one really better than the other, or is it truly all about the same? Any other thoughts are appreciated.

FC/OT: WWII Movie Fans - Two very promising films on the way....

After a lackluster summer film season (IMO), we're treated to some very good looking WWII Oscar-bait from two of the most interesting filmmakers out there - Christopher Nolan and Mel Gibson. Take a look!

Dunkirk - Christopher Nolan:

Allied soldiers from Belgium, Britain, Canada and France are surrounded by the German army and evacuated during a fierce battle in World War II. Starring Tom Hardy, Cillian Murphy, and Mark Rylance.

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Hacksaw Ridge - Mel Gibson:

WWII American Army Medic Desmond T. Doss, who served during the Battle of Okinawa, refuses to kill people and becomes the first Conscientious Objector in American history to be awarded the Medal of Honor. Starring Andrew Garfield, Sam Worthington, Vince Vaughn, and Hugo Weaving.

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And might as well add the WWII film I'm most looking forward to - Wonder Woman!! We don't get this until 2017, but it's never too early to get an eyeful of Gal Gadot...

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