Women's basketball went backwards because they refused to make a change when they needed to and allowd mediocrity to continue.
Men's basketball was never good but we've never actually tried to make a great hire.
“FIRE FRANKLIN, ALLAR SUCKS, WE’LL NEVER COMPETE WITH MICHIGAN OR OHIO STATE!”
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Men's basketball was never good but we've never actually tried to make a great hire.
Seriously, Women’s basketball coach wasn’t woke enough for PSU and Rose retired.
Men’s Basketball was good in the mid 50s and one or two years in the 90s.
i think the last two hires have been very good hires. not worried about that program going forward, I think the issues that plagued it have been worked out
They're better hires than what we had seen. Not convinced they're good long term but overall content.
i don't know if i agree that PSU only wants a yes man as the football coach. O'Brien was the opposite of that and didn't get fired - he was just constantly looking for an nfl job
i mostly credit Chambers for breaking the perception that we couldn't recruit in Philadelphia, DC, etc. It was only a perception because the previous two coaches were too timid to try it. DeChellis was an adequate game coach but his recruiting strategy was totally bizarre, random
And he showed improvement...but time is running out. To me, he has to go 11-1 or better next year and win a playoff game.
if he loses 3 or more this regular season, then psu has a tough decision. we are all assuming he finishes this season with 2 losses (osu and michigan)
I can't see losing to anyone else because of our defense but that's a great point. Either way though I think he gets 2024
Realistically this program is not a whole lot different than Iowa or Wisconsin. They win almost every game they should, then always fail in the big tests.
Drama Queen. Get a grip, please. Though I’m not optimistic you’re capable of doing so.
I don’t know how old you are but those of us who have been around for awhile know what good football looks like and this is not it. Execution of this offense is awful. Routes being run poorly, Not staying on blocks, backs missing the holes, a QB that seems to be regressing.
That's being a drama queen?? Spitting facts that go against your reality? Keep typing and remove all doubt that you're a fool.
Then you take a chance. See Dabo and Kirby. I'd hire Elko or Brohm but there's a ton of options.
They are legit issues but doesn’t warrant the predictable and knee jerk calls to fire Franklin. Several morons on here were claiming that Penn State has been “mediocre” under Franklin. No one wants to beat OSU and Michigan than me but claiming that 10 and 11 win seasons is “mediocrity” is beyond asinine. Fair to state that his record against these two means the team hasn’t been elite under him (although I don’t recall if other teams besides OSU and Michigan have won the Big besides PSU in the last decade) but saying he has been mediocre is BS.
I don't. I'm not saying they'd be more successful I'm saying there's a ton of options which there are
If you're satisfied with where we are that's great--many aren't.
If you think 10 and 11 win seasons represents “mediocrity” then you can fairly be criticized for stupidity. I prefer the former over the latter but hey that’s just me.
An 11 win regular season would be outstanding
10 wins with the best win being Iowa is "meh"
Playing a better schedule and winning 10 would be more acceptable but the goal isn't to be 3rd (soon 4th, 5th or 6th) in the conference.
Then what’s the point of firing Franklin and hiring someone who would be worse? My late father called this the cut off your nose to spite your face “solution”.
So what’s the point of firing Franklin and hiring someone who would be less successful? My late father called this the cut off your nose to spite your face “solution”.
The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Run for cover Chicken Little.
Because they can be better and where we are right now isn't good enough
Should Georgia have kept Richt?
Who said the sky is falling?
10-2 is our floor right now--the goal is to be better
Why are you okay with being third in the conference?
If we beat Michigan, go 11-1 and even if we don't go to the playoff then I consider the season a success. If we lose to Michigan then another disappointing year of being OSU's and Michigan's inept little brother. Black and white to me. Redemption time 11/11 in Happy Valley.
You lose all credibility when you say "mediocre results." PSU has not been mediocre under Franklin. There are 100+ programs that would love to be where we are.
That’s your perspective. To which I agree to disagree with. We are mediocre in the B10. We are mediocre amongst the NCAA heavyweights.
thats your perspective which I agree to disagree with. Your reply would be received with more credibility if you responded with a question versus a ridiculing statement. We are mediocre in the B10 and mediocre amongst NCAA heavyweights. If you disagree, please explain how and why with facts and not speculative statements. If you presume to believe we are not mediocre because we sell the “White Out” experience accompanied by an annual 3rd/4th place finish in the B10, well then I disagree with you.
How much longer are you willing to wait to see changes? 5 more years? 10? 30?
Sure about that?
We could lose a couple of more easily - especially if Allar completely unravels (a possibility).
You also thought we’d beat O$U. Not close.
Yeah, I'm about 99.9% sure we'll win 10
I predicted us to win 14-10. It's don't like i thought it was going to be convincing or we couldn't lose.
I just think that lowly of others in the conference including Maryland
You tell others that they go too far with saying Franklin is mediocre and then you describe them by calling them Chicken Little. I guess you learned nothing from them.
i don't think there are a ton of coaches who would do better than this. there are some, but it's not going to be that easy to identify them and figure out what it would take to get them to PSU. the most comparable situation i can think of is when OSU replaced Cooper and Tressel was not an obvious choice at all. There are probably a lot of coaches who would do the same or worse as Franklin. if PSU is seriously thinking about moving on they need to take about a year to figure out who they want to go after
That's fair. I'm not even saying a moved is needed. We just shouldn't be afraid to do so if he continues to lose every (or almost every) big game.
no, we shouldn't be. but, have to realize that there is a really high chance of getting it wrong and making things worse. You are basically looking for a person who can turn a top 10 team into a top 5 team without missing a beat. psu can't just hire the latest flashy name and think it's going to be a sure bet. that could very, very easily fail
I'm okay with the risk for the same reason I though Georgia needed to move on for Richt. I understand your concern but what good is being a top 10 (or 15-20) team if you can't contend for titles?
If the next person can't get it done you move on faster than this time.
I'm still giving Franklin at least 2024 but he can't keep flopping in big games. It's constant.
I don't think OSU looked that good. Our D played good ball, and made some huge stops. I was psyched when we made our goal line stand.
If they didn't have Harrison, or if we had a game breaker at wide receiver, or even if we have better play calling , I think we win that game. It was there for the taking.
What happens if he flops in big games next year? What exactly are you going to do?
Join the vocal group that wants him out. That's all I can do. Not sure what point you thought this was proving...
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