Zain, Nolf and Nickal all have guys they can bonus. Wouldnt be suprised if they all got TF/Falls.
2017 NCAAs Session I Thread
- Thread starter Tom McAndrew
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yes sir, made it quite a bit tougher. But we would take 6 wins in a row from him.
Good round for you. Biggest surprise for me was Hall didn't get bonus.
(sorry for the edit, but I basically repeated my prior post)
Crutchmers loss was enormous. Okie St was bonusing well but having a scoring hole at 174 will loom.
Ohio St had 125 & 165 lose as well, so we dodged unforeseen points there.
PSU in good shape right now.
Believe these are the final team standings after R1:
PSU - 16
Ok. St - 15
Ohio St - 14
Iowa - 12
Lehigh - 12
Mizzou - 12
VT - 11
Cornell - 10.5
Minny - 10
Nebraska - 9.4
Illini - 9
CMU - 8
Edinboro - 8
No. Iowa - 8
etc.
Wrestlers still in the championship bracket
Ok. St. - 9
PSU - 8
Ohio St - 7
Iowa - 7
VT - 7
Mizzou - 6
Minny - 6
Nebraska - 6
Lehigh - 5
Illini - 5
Edinboro - 5
No. Iowa - 5
PSU - 16
Ok. St - 15
Ohio St - 14
Iowa - 12
Lehigh - 12
Mizzou - 12
VT - 11
Cornell - 10.5
Minny - 10
Nebraska - 9.4
Illini - 9
CMU - 8
Edinboro - 8
No. Iowa - 8
etc.
Wrestlers still in the championship bracket
Ok. St. - 9
PSU - 8
Ohio St - 7
Iowa - 7
VT - 7
Mizzou - 6
Minny - 6
Nebraska - 6
Lehigh - 5
Illini - 5
Edinboro - 5
No. Iowa - 5
Snyder got outscored by Matt
Hall did not wrestle a smart, tactical match. He gave up an esc on the edge with 2 sec. left in a period. And then he allowed his opponent to escape without a lot of resistance when his RT was at 55 sec. I wasn't worried that he would lose -- just wish he had been a little more aware of the circumstances.
I'm not an expert but my thoughts:
PSU still have everyone in winners bracket = huge.
You can't win NCAAs on Thursday but you can sure lose them on Thursday.
Joseph & Hall & Nevills had tough unseeded kids and figured out how to win
Jimmy Gulibon !!!!
Hats off to McCutcheon for wrestling smart and get his team an extra two team points w re neutral fall.
Crutchmer losing is a huge hole. Yes, he can still AA, but that's a tough path to take.
Especially w Piccinninni & Rogers managing falls for them.
tOSU 125 & 165 didn't give them any freakish points so that's encouraging for PSU.
PSU sets themselves up nicely heading into tonight. Long way to go though.
Jake Ryan gets to watch the tourney alongside his dad all weekend.
Great father-son bonding experience for the two of them.
It'll make a nice family diary entry.
Great father-son bonding experience for the two of them.
It'll make a nice family diary entry.
Ok - thanks! I had 4 computers going in my office and missed that. Any other key seeds besides Critchmer lose
Pat Lugo, Earl Hall, Joey Ward, Jake Short, Clayton Ream, Nate Rotert, Sam Speno all lost in the first round in what I could consider upsets.
Ok St got a little more bonus than I was hoping for but the Crutchmer loss helped offset that a bit.
Would have liked 1 more bonus point between Zain, Nolf and Bo but Jimmy and Cutch offset that and then some.
Ohio St did right about what I expected.
All in all, not too shabby!
Would have liked 1 more bonus point between Zain, Nolf and Bo but Jimmy and Cutch offset that and then some.
Ohio St did right about what I expected.
All in all, not too shabby!
I ran Wrestlestats on the matchups. Here are their guesses:
PSU is 6-2 (losses by Jimmy and Cutch)
2 Dec, 2 MD, 2 TF
141: Gulibon vs. #4 seed Matt Kolodzik (Princeton)
Jimmy loses 3-7
Never wrestled in college.
Jimmy is 8-9 against common opponents
Kolodzik is 13-2 against common opponents
149: ZPain vs. Jordan Laster (Princeton)
Zain wins 16-2 MD
Never wrestled in college
Zain is 15-2 against common opponents
Jordan is 8-8 against common opponents
157: Nolf vs. Victor Lopez (Bucknell)
Nolf wins 22-4 TF
Never wrestled in college
Nolf is 10-0 against common opponents
Victor is 7-1 against common opponents
165: Joseph vs. Branson Ashworth (Wyoming)
Joseph wins 12-5
Never wrestled in college
Joseph is 3-1 against common opponents
Branson is 3-1 against common opponents
174: Mark Hall vs. Jadaen Bernstein (Navy)
Hall wins 11-3 MD
Never wrestled in college
Mark is 7-1 against common opponents
Jadaen is 3-6 against common opponents
184: Nickal vs. Steven Schneider (Binghamton)
Bo wins 18-3 TF
Wrestled twice. Bo MD in December and Decision prior
Bo is 17-3 against common opponents
Steven is 14-9 against common opponents
197: Cutch vs. Frank Mattiace (Penn)
Cutch loses 4-5
Wrestled once and Cutch won 3-1 in Nov 2016
Cutch is 13-2 against common opponents
Frank is 12-4 against common opponents
285: Nevills vs. William Miller (Edinboro)
Nick wins 9-3
Wrestled in Nov 2014, 4-3
Nick is 15-2 against common opponents
Billy is 11-10 against common opponents
Mark needs to RELAX and have some fun....Wrestled very nervous his first match...RELAX AND SCORE POINTS....
Good info - Hope our guys can equal or better those outcomes.
Let's Win at 197 - Clutch Cutch Worth Much
Yep Kocer took Epperly to SV before losing 3-1, lost to Iowas Meyer 4-1, and beat Crutchmer 7-2.
Bo already majored the Binghamton kid in the dual, 18-7.
Cutch beat the Penn kid at Keystone Tourney, 3-1.
That prediction kind of surprises me. The two wrestled in late Nov of this season in the finals of the Keystone Classic. It was a tight match. Cutch got a late TD to win the title. I'd expect that head-to-head would be a bigger factor in predicting results. It's likely to be a close match -- that's just how Cutch wrestles (today's R1 results not withstanding), and Mattiace wrestles similarly.
Here I'll argue the opposite perspective. While Bo did major Schneider in Dec. of this season, a TF is well within reach. Bo defeated him 18-7, and had 2:05 in RT. Bo had 8 TDs in the match. His only trouble was in finding a way to tilt Schneider. I may be looking at this thru blue-white glasses, but it would surprise me if Bo did not rack up back points in this match. Schneider was ranked #13 at the time of the match, which didn't seem to phase Bo a bit.
Thanks for running that, Centex. Most would say that Jimmy has the toughest match, and that Cutch's match could go either way.
I predict bonus points for PSU in the 6 remaining matches, though perhaps that's a stretch in Nevill's match (not so much an issue of the match, but just that bonus points @ 285 aren't all that common).
Kolodzik is a tough matchup for Jimmy, but who knows. He looked really at ease this afternoon, and that's usually when he wrestles his best.
Sure would be nice to duplicate this morning's 8-0 record.
was he wrestling a cheerleader?
The Cutch result surprised me as well. I believe he wins by 4. Even though they had a close match in November, as you state, you have to remember that Matt just got done losing the 184 job to Bo, and was in the process of remaking his body a bit and gaining strength. If Matt beats him in November by 2, then I think he wins by at least 4 now. A bit of change and adjustment from wrestling 184 bodies to 197.
These have Nolf and Bo TF, but I'm going with 1 pinfall and one TF
These have Zain MD, but this will be TF at a minimum
With the 3 first time NCAAers (Joseph, Hall, Nevills), I believe 2 of three can MD with Dec for the other
For Jimmy, this is a tough match. He looked like a monster today. Hoping he can use that confidence to leverage a win. Wouldn't surprise me, and HR would blow up if that happened.
I'm calling 7-1, with 1 Pin, 2 TF, 2 MD, and 2 Dec
I agree about Cutch. He is a bigger wrestler now then back then and is a much better 197 pound wrestler with a season at the weight. I would think the gap between now and then would have only widened.
If Jimmy and Cutch can continue to outscore Zain and Nolf I feel pretty good about our chances...
Kolodzik is very tough. Not super prolific offensively, but very fundamentally sound and difficult to score upon. Has wins this season over Ashnault (4-3), Luke Pletcher (9-3), McCrystal (8-6 in OT), Javier Gasca (16-0 TF), and two close wins over Randy Cruz. Only loses were to Jack (1-0) and McKenna (4-0).
