Wisconsin was 11-2 and Big Ten Champion the year before Wilson transferred.
So you don't know punters on elite teams? How do you do with kickers, OL, linebackers, DBs? I'm going to bet not much better than you do with punters.
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2018 Recruiting Thread
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Wisconsin was 11-2 and Big Ten Champion the year before Wilson transferred.
So you don't know punters on elite teams? How do you do with kickers, OL, linebackers, DBs? I'm going to bet not much better than you do with punters.
I think that Enis has had cold feet for awhile - prior to Gattis leaving; and the SAB notion of potentially having to go the JC route has also been there. PSU visited Metchie today so this all seems related. But how does this realization about Metchie's high school eligibility just come out now a week before the February signing date?
Simple answer, it hasn't. He decided to reclass over the summer to '19, in an effort to get more/better offers. I don't believe he ever attended any camps until this past summer. He went to Temple, Rutgers and PSU camps and left with offers from all three. Rutgers and I'm sure others have been recruiting him as a class of '18 recruit. In the past couple of weeks, he's picked up offers from Notre Dame, Miss State, Pitt and Michigan. With no SAB and Enis, it makes sense to go after him for '18.
If you really want to know... I probably don't know kickers either, and that goes for all teams, not just elite. Other than Penn State and our opponents, I only would be familiar with the best players on the best teams or the guys who get talked about for player of the week this and that. My focus is on Penn State and I don't trouble myself with too much beyond our universe.
No Signing of (THREE) Stars this year
There will be no Signing of the Stars event for Michigan this National Signing Day.
A Michigan football team spokesperson told Land of 10 in an email Tuesday that there are no plans for the Wolverines to announce its 2018 recruiting class on National Signing Day, Feb. 7, in the same manner as it has the previous two years. Head coach Jim Harbaugh said last month that he was hopeful of putting on the event for a third straight year but that no plans were solidified at that time.
Michigan has pulled out all the stops to showcase its last two recruiting classes, bringing back high-profile alumni and celebrities such as former quarterbacks Tom Brady and Denard Robinson, and comedians Randy and Jason Sklar, in productions that were streamed live on The Players’ Tribune website. The classes were introduced in front of fan audiences at Hill Auditorium in 2016 and Crisler Center last year.
There will be no Signing of the Stars event for Michigan this National Signing Day.
A Michigan football team spokesperson told Land of 10 in an email Tuesday that there are no plans for the Wolverines to announce its 2018 recruiting class on National Signing Day, Feb. 7, in the same manner as it has the previous two years. Head coach Jim Harbaugh said last month that he was hopeful of putting on the event for a third straight year but that no plans were solidified at that time.
Michigan has pulled out all the stops to showcase its last two recruiting classes, bringing back high-profile alumni and celebrities such as former quarterbacks Tom Brady and Denard Robinson, and comedians Randy and Jason Sklar, in productions that were streamed live on The Players’ Tribune website. The classes were introduced in front of fan audiences at Hill Auditorium in 2016 and Crisler Center last year.
So then how can you make a statement that there have been no grad transfers that have made contributions to "elite" (by your definition) teams? Simple, you just can't be bothered to do any research.
All the whacky bells and whistles are kinda drying up, huh?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it would be disappointing if Enis, a legacy no less, bolted on Penn State because an assistant coach left. I get that Gattis is a great coach and a player's relationship with the position coach is important, but there should be a lot more to the decisions than that. As I see it, Franklin is big on relationships, but he wants kids who buy into everything about Penn State and the program, not just the relationship with one coach.
Again, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I've jumped the gun on being OUTRAGED.
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Again, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I've jumped the gun on being OUTRAGED.
.Well, that's going to leave a major gap in BTN programming. Probably going to have to scare up two hours of vintage "Green Acres" reruns.
hairball is out of ideas to fool michigan athletic supporters and the media. "Damn it! Now I actually have to recruit good players consistently, coach them up, and win games. They expect me to outwork Franklin and meyer. I can't do that! This sucks."
That's easy. They can just replay a michigan-Tosu game.
Can't do it. Those games are prime time programming. Just can't surround them with commercials for Elmer's Car Wash. Delany would go apoplectic.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it would be disappointing if Enis, a legacy no less, bolted on Penn State because an assistant coach left. I get that Gattis is a great coach and a player's relationship with the position coach is important, but there should be a lot more to the decisions than that. As I see it, Franklin is big on relationships, but he wants kids who buy into everything about Penn State and the program, not just the relationship with one coach.
Again, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I've jumped the gun on being OUTRAGED.
I think it's a different issue. I'm sensitive to family dynamics and certainly don't begrudge her her feelings, but there is talk that the relationship between Curtis and his former wife and Solomon's mom is strained and she isn't thrilled with Solomon following in his footsteps. And/or she thinks that Penn State is too far away. So those two factors might be the bigger sticking point.
Penn State is in on many, many blue chip WRs in the 2019 and 2020 classes. They've demonstrated that they want Enis and that's good enough for me. However, USC backed off and he didn't light up those Polynesian Bowl (whatever) practices. Hope he's in the class but I'm not sweating it if it doesn't work out.
Ummm, that isn't the reason.Maybe I'm missing something here, but it would be disappointing if Enis, a legacy no less, bolted on Penn State because an assistant coach left. I get that Gattis is a great coach and a player's relationship with the position coach is important, but there should be a lot more to the decisions than that. As I see it, Franklin is big on relationships, but he wants kids who buy into everything about Penn State and the program, not just the relationship with one coach.
Again, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I've jumped the gun on being OUTRAGED.
I said that I could be wrong, but couldn't think of any... I wasn't making a definitive statement on the overall success of the transfer rule, just that I couldn't think of any. Russel Wilson was an obvious one that I should have remembered, but I never said that I had an encyclopedic memory. Also, when I responded before, I admitted that I was wrong. You just keep trying to tell me in greater detail just how wrong I am. If I wanted to hear crap like that, I'd have more conversations with my wife and not post on this message board.
Walk on kicker verbal
https://kohlskicking.com/player-profiles/vlad-hilling
KOHL'S COMMENTS
Vlad Hilling moved into the 5 star category in the spring of 2017. He won the Eastern Showcase FG competition and showed to be one of the best kickers in the entire Northeast. Hilling followed up his strong spring with another great camp in July. Hilling's leg strength has developed nicely and he has one of the strongest legs in the nation. He also made a total of 26 points on FG's at the National Scholarship Camp. Hilling is a D1 kicker who has worked extremely hard to reach an elite level on FG's and KO's!
https://kohlskicking.com/player-profiles/vlad-hilling
KOHL'S COMMENTS
Vlad Hilling moved into the 5 star category in the spring of 2017. He won the Eastern Showcase FG competition and showed to be one of the best kickers in the entire Northeast. Hilling followed up his strong spring with another great camp in July. Hilling's leg strength has developed nicely and he has one of the strongest legs in the nation. He also made a total of 26 points on FG's at the National Scholarship Camp. Hilling is a D1 kicker who has worked extremely hard to reach an elite level on FG's and KO's!
I surely don't get the whole kicker thing. Judge, can you explain why some of these kids get scholarships, but most don't? What is the difference between this kid and Pinegar in that regard? He sure seems like just as good a prospect based on what these kicking gurus say.
Harbaugh doesn't have time since he is currently building a tree house across from the MSU campus in anticipation of MSU player free agency!
If you can't beat'em steal'em......The new Motto of the Michigan program
Yes, with the roster that CJF has assembled any player good enough to immediately help PSU as an upper classman grad transfer would more likely be transferring to the NFL draft....
For example, this year at Safety. We have lots of talent competing to play, but big holes to fill (Apke and Allen). But could any player come in and expect to beat out Scott, Monroe, Taylor, Sutherland, ..... unless they had played at a very high level somewhere else? If they were that talented why would they leave their former team unless they were going to the NFL.
Grad transfers are almost always players that have not gotten the playing time they wanted (buried on a deep depth chart) and are looking for a place to play. Our OL when CJF arrived was a good place for a grad transfer or two. Not our current OL depth chart. I would be very surprised if CJF takes ANY grad transfers going forward.
I'm certainly no expert in discerning what makes a scholarship kicker better than some of these walk ons. The resumes look similar. I think it's a matter of timing and need. There is no guarantee you can get a great kicker to walk on. If you have to lock one down and you don't have a good one in the program, you do what you have to do at the time. I personally don't understand the angst about giving a kicker/punter a scholarship. We've seen how a terrible punter hurt Penn State for many years. And missed FGs can lose you games. Bringing in these kind of numbers, particularly the walk ons, increases the chances you'll hit on a good one. Smart.
I have no angst about the scholarships. Gillilkin is worth 2 scholarships, if you ask me. I guess it makes sense that if the staff is feeling nervous in any given week, that they will offer a scholie to make sure that they get at least one very good prospect.
I guess the PWO kickers don't feel threatened by the presence of scholarship kickers, by the nature of the job. That must just be the way it works for those guys.
I guess the PWO kickers don't feel threatened by the presence of scholarship kickers, by the nature of the job. That must just be the way it works for those guys.
I think his underclassmen years were the issue and he had alot of catching up to do. Some young athletes may not have the best support or mentoring and fail to see how important it is to get a strong academic foundation from day one in high school.
Yep. I seem to remember that Blair Thomas was somewhat of an academic risk/project as well.....
CJF, like JoePa before him, has a very high standard for the combination of, as CJF puts it, "academic, athletic, social, and spiritual" maturation and success for PSU football players. Seems to me that CJF will use his best judgement, likely based upon information we will never be privy to (rightly so) and make the best choices for PSU and the young man..... So if CJF has not written him off, why should we? I'm hoping to see SAB in Blue & White on the field for PSU, whether it is in 2018, 2019 or 2020 that he begins his PSU journey...
I think the quality of these PWOs is one of the ancillary benefits to being a Top 10 program that is also a great academic school. Players, who are also students, want to come here.
Agree100%.
Not to mention that Barkley was not exactly on firm academic footing to start as well but turned that aspect around as well too. It was a simplistic post burrying a 17 year old kid. A lot of their issues academically have a whole lot more than just mailing it in. Lacking good study techniques, not being in an academic environment, etc. The list goes on and on. Every youngster deserves the opportunity to receive an education. Some kids are late to the process.
Yep, if you have raised a few of your own, you usually know that each has his or her own challenges. And that those challenges can be larger if they are raised in difficult social or family situations. To me, SAB is another young man to root hard for!!
Forget the "kicking gurus." These are guys that run camps, charge fees for attendance, and aren't exactly objective when it comes to evaluating kids whose families have paid them, often more than once. Besides, these "gurus" never evaluate p/ks under game conditions, which is what separates those that can from those that won't.
Reality is that few, if any, coaching staffs have the expertise to evaluate p/ks. Punters are easier because they perform in HS under the much the same conditions that they'll confront in college. The biggest difference is they have less time to get a punt off. The major variable in assessing a kicker is trying to determine how he'll do field goals without a tee (or if he's never kicked on natural grass). Virtually imponderable.
My wife is a HS Guidance Counselor and she has mentioned several times (no names) where some HS athlete comes in talking about getting a scholarship for some sport and they haven't been taking the proper classes to satisfy the NCAA requirements. Apparently, it's not something that you can correct in your SR or even JR year, if you haven't been on the right track since your FR year. I have no insight into SAB, and don't know if this is his issue, but your comments are correct in the general sense.
Art- not about K, but have you heard of this ploy relative to the early signing period.....(and not my quote, and I am not saying PSU does this, just in general at other places)
I believe there’s a method behind not announcing our mid-year signees that goes beyond what the common fan or someone that follows recruiting closely may understand.
It is a ploy that some schools decided to do to "trick" some signees into thinking they are signing a bindable agreement when in reality, they aren't.
Based on the number of initials a school may have and the differences between signing an NLI and a grant-in-aid, some schools have "tricked" signees into signing something during the early signing period. That way, those signees think they have fully signed-on and can't change their minds or be recruited away by other schools.Those signees will have a big presentation at their school, post pictures of them signing on social media, etc. In reality, they aren't signing what most of the others are. They won't be able to sign a bindable offer until later. It mitigates the chances of losing that signee.
Other schools, assuming the recruit has signed somewhere, tend to back off which leaves him less susceptible to being poached by another school . . . unless of case the signee discovers that what he signed isn't binding.
So, that leaves the question of why some schools didn't announce their class from the early signing period? Well, assume you had 10 guys sign binding agreements and another 4 sign non-binding agreements. Schools can only announce those who sign legitimate, binding agreements. If the school announced those 10 signees and not the other 4 who thought they had also signed a binding agreement, the school would have some explaining to do . . . and there is no easy way to do that without offending the recruit, pissing him off, show him that you weren't necessarily up front with everything, possibly lose him to another school.
It is a good strategy some schools have selected to do, albeit one rooted in some shaky ethics.
Marshall hasnt, I dont know about anyone else, but I think it is common.
The other site has slightly better size and weight numbers on Metchie. Makes me think he could be a DB not just a WR. What position is PSU recruiting him for?.....Thanks
The picture that I saw with him standing next to Luketa makes Metchie look pretty small..... But if CJF likes him, I like him....
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but it would be disappointing if Enis, a legacy no less, bolted on Penn State because an assistant coach left. I get that Gattis is a great coach and a player's relationship with the position coach is important, but there should be a lot more to the decisions than that. As I see it, Franklin is big on relationships, but he wants kids who buy into everything about Penn State and the program, not just the relationship with one coach.
Again, maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I've jumped the gun on being OUTRAGED.
Your parents ever divorce and have a bad relationship after? All it is pretty much and its not fair to the kid. But for years parents selfishly have done this to their children. It happened to me. My mother would have been disgusted if I went where my dad did. She still hates the Raiders and Bruins because my father liked them and never wanted me to root for them as a kid or even today. I love my mother but it was selfish of her. Hope Solomon is making his own choices and not getting this pressure from either parent but seems apparent.
show me the link to Marshall's official site showing the class signees, please. Something 247 sports puts out is not an official announcement from Marshall University.
SMH.
