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2018 Recruiting Thread

If a free $125000 education was not motive enough to study, he is not what we need from every player which is a commitment to excellence.

Perhaps. But also consider that his HS has had some issues that might also be factors.

Don't know specifics regarding his particular situation. But the HS recently had a massive number of teachers resign because of conditions at the school. That may not have any bearing on his particular situation, but perhaps it might.

As students mature they can change.
So too as their environment changes.

We'll have to wait and see how it all shakes out. If he needs a second chance and gets it, here's hoping it works out well for SAB.
 
You're right, I'm sure.

Their strategery is to fool kids into thinking they have a scholarship

Unless, maybe, as they announced - they want to have one PR event once all the signees are included in February. Nah, that couldn't be it - they're trying to trick kids with fake scholarship offers. o_O.

Bless your heart.

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hey Stormin', I am not the one that postulated this, somebody else is. And that somebody says he is currently coaching at a G5 school, and that is his story. He must have gotten it from somewhere. Initially, I thought the reason was exactly as you said, one announcement for everybody, now I am not so sure.
 
My wife is a HS Guidance Counselor and she has mentioned several times (no names) where some HS athlete comes in talking about getting a scholarship for some sport and they haven't been taking the proper classes to satisfy the NCAA requirements. Apparently, it's not something that you can correct in your SR or even JR year, if you haven't been on the right track since your FR year. I have no insight into SAB, and don't know if this is his issue, but your comments are correct in the general sense.
Probably his grade point average in his core courses. The NCAA uses a sliding scale to determine a qualifier.....which matches GPA in the core courses with SAT or ACT scores. I can't believe he didn't take the correct courses, as I've been retired 9 years and even then we had the Guidance Dept. discuss the process with kids in the 8th grade, If he has low SAT and or ACT scores and a not so good GPA....he's not going to qualify.
 
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Probably his grade point average in his core courses. The NCAA uses a sliding scale to determine a qualifier.....which matches GPA in the core courses with SAT or ACT scores. I can't believe he didn't take the correct courses, as I've been retired 9 years and even then we had the Guidance Dept. discuss the process with kids in the 8th grade, If he has low SAT and or ACT scores and a not so good GPA....he's not going to qualify.
Plus now they have to use 10 core credits before their senior year. Many of the kids who would leave their HS on go to a football factory for their senior year would take 7 or 8 core courses at the new school, get gift A's and then become eligible, now they cap the limit at 6 core courses as a Sr, this is probably why he is looking like JUCO.
 
Art- not about K, but have you heard of this ploy relative to the early signing period.....(and not my quote, and I am not saying PSU does this, just in general at other places)

I believe there’s a method behind not announcing our mid-year signees that goes beyond what the common fan or someone that follows recruiting closely may understand.
It is a ploy that some schools decided to do to "trick" some signees into thinking they are signing a bindable agreement when in reality, they aren't.

Based on the number of initials a school may have and the differences between signing an NLI and a grant-in-aid, some schools have "tricked" signees into signing something during the early signing period. That way, those signees think they have fully signed-on and can't change their minds or be recruited away by other schools.Those signees will have a big presentation at their school, post pictures of them signing on social media, etc. In reality, they aren't signing what most of the others are. They won't be able to sign a bindable offer until later. It mitigates the chances of losing that signee.

Other schools, assuming the recruit has signed somewhere, tend to back off which leaves him less susceptible to being poached by another school . . . unless of case the signee discovers that what he signed isn't binding.

So, that leaves the question of why some schools didn't announce their class from the early signing period? Well, assume you had 10 guys sign binding agreements and another 4 sign non-binding agreements. Schools can only announce those who sign legitimate, binding agreements. If the school announced those 10 signees and not the other 4 who thought they had also signed a binding agreement, the school would have some explaining to do . . . and there is no easy way to do that without offending the recruit, pissing him off, show him that you weren't necessarily up front with everything, possibly lose him to another school.

It is a good strategy some schools have selected to do, albeit one rooted in some shaky ethics.

No idea of what you're talking about.If a kid goes through the recruiting process and doesn't know what to sign at the end then he should jump in the bin with the rest of the potatoes.
 
No idea of what you're talking about.If a kid goes through the recruiting process and doesn't know what to sign at the end then he should jump in the bin with the rest of the potatoes.
Thanks, I do think this is real, and probably not happening at the power 5 level, but at the G5 level, especially if some coach is on the ropes. We will see.
 
Probably his grade point average in his core courses. The NCAA uses a sliding scale to determine a qualifier.....which matches GPA in the core courses with SAT or ACT scores. I can't believe he didn't take the correct courses, as I've been retired 9 years and even then we had the Guidance Dept. discuss the process with kids in the 8th grade, If he has low SAT and or ACT scores and a not so good GPA....he's not going to qualify.

Yeah, not sure I understand the issue here. The NCAA core requirements pretty much line up with what a kid would need to take to graduate high school. How a kid wouldn't be taking the "right" (by NCAA definition) core courses in 9th and 10th grades is hard to understand. Passing them is another matter.
 
Thanks, I do think this is real, and probably not happening at the power 5 level, but at the G5 level, especially if some coach is on the ropes. We will see.

I'd be surprised. It was largely G5 schools that pushed for early signing dates so that P5 schools couldn't poach there kids at the last minute.
 
Yeah, not sure I understand the issue here. The NCAA core requirements pretty much line up with what a kid would need to take to graduate high school. How a kid wouldn't be taking the "right" (by NCAA definition) core courses in 9th and 10th grades is hard to understand. Passing them is another matter.
Don't have any insight with SB obviously. But a student could be "passing" core courses with a low GPA like 2.3....but that combined with low SAT would sink him.
 
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Don't have any insight with SB obviously. But a student could be "passing" core courses with a low GPA like 2.3....but that combined with low SAT would sink him.

Usually if a kid has the requisite number of core courses and a qualifying GPA (which just happens to be 2.3) then coaches don'r pull the plug this early. They'll let the kid take the SAT/ACT a couple of times more and keep their fingers crossed until June/July.
 
Usually if a kid has the requisite number of core courses and a qualifying GPA (which just happens to be 2.3) then coaches don'r pull the plug this early. They'll let the kid take the SAT/ACT a couple of times more and keep their fingers crossed until June/July.
But if a kid has a 2.3, I think he needs like 1100 on his SATs. By this time, I would imagine these kids have taken it 3 or 4 times and that might be the answer, If you scored 600.....it ain't gonna go up to 1100.
 
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VERY in-depth look at Penn State / Ohio State battle for Rasheed Walker here.

This is from the ohowIhate breakdown on what they offer. Anyone else kinda sorta smirk when you read this? my emphasis ;) Hmm. lol

the “Real Life Wednesday” program that Ohio State has set up for them, as well as familiarizing Walker with the people, players and coaches that are around the program.

OL
 
No idea of what you're talking about.If a kid goes through the recruiting process and doesn't know what to sign at the end then he should jump in the bin with the rest of the potatoes.
+1. Not saying anybody is making this up as some bizarre hypo (guess it's possibly true somewhere?), but I also don't see this as a problem for any kid who actually belongs in college.
 
But if a kid has a 2.3, I think he needs like 1100 on his SATs. By this time, I would imagine these kids have taken it 3 or 4 times and that might be the answer, If you scored 600.....it ain't gonna go up to 1100.

980, but who's counting. Kid just hasn't found the right ringer, yet.
 
Your parents ever divorce and have a bad relationship after? All it is pretty much and its not fair to the kid. But for years parents selfishly have done this to their children. It happened to me. My mother would have been disgusted if I went where my dad did. She still hates the Raiders and Bruins because my father liked them and never wanted me to root for them as a kid or even today. I love my mother but it was selfish of her. Hope Solomon is making his own choices and not getting this pressure from either parent but seems apparent.

I didn’t know that his parents were divorced.
 
I think it's a different issue. I'm sensitive to family dynamics and certainly don't begrudge her her feelings, but there is talk that the relationship between Curtis and his former wife and Solomon's mom is strained and she isn't thrilled with Solomon following in his footsteps. And/or she thinks that Penn State is too far away. So those two factors might be the bigger sticking point.

Penn State is in on many, many blue chip WRs in the 2019 and 2020 classes. They've demonstrated that they want Enis and that's good enough for me. However, USC backed off and he didn't light up those Polynesian Bowl (whatever) practices. Hope he's in the class but I'm not sweating it if it doesn't work out.

Thanks, Judge. I hadn’t read about his parents.
 
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The picture that I saw with him standing next to Luketa makes Metchie look pretty small..... But if CJF likes him, I like him....

Hmmm the Senior bowl picture of Hamilton next to Cabinda made Hamilton look small......Cothran next to Cabinda made Cabinda look small...and so on and so forth.....
 
Michigan apparently out for one of their remaining targets...

Michigan out for 4* OL Jarrett Patterson???
Anyone hearing this? Apparently it’s down to Notre Dame and UCLA according to other boards. If this is true, not good. I was hoping we’d get him in this class.
it's on 247 and cites his father as the source so appears fairly legit

https://247sports.com/Article/4-star-OL-Jarrett-Patterson-Down-to-Two-Sc...


Michigan fans bitching about their 1.3 million dollar OL coach...

Last year:

ANN ARBOR, Mich. — Tim Drevno will reportedly become one of college football’s million-dollar assistant coaches.
He will be paid generously — Fox Sports and ESPN reported Tuesday that Drevno will receive a five-year contract extension worth $1.3 million annually.

This year:

Offensive coordinator/OL coach Tim Drevno is changing, too.
A source told TWL that Drevno gathered the Wolverines o-line and apologized to them for his coaching this past season. Fans were critical of Drevno, but it sounds like Drevno himself was even more critical.

http://thewolverinelounge.com/2018/01/jim-harbaugh-different-michigan/
 
Uh oh.

Some "3 star .1 from a 4 star" is about to get locked up.



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Looks warm there, wherever he is. Probably signing yet another smallish low 3-star from Florida with blazing speed that is actually better than a mid 4-star from Pennsylvania because, well, just because.

It's funny, it's turning into a big recruiting rivalry between Rutgers and Pitt. Pitt even tries to get Rutgers grad transfers, two years in a row now. Two titans on the recruiting trail going head to head.

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Doesn't say much for Rutgers, that is for sure.

In all seriousness, Rutgers is dead in the water and will remain there unless they throw millions and millions at their program for facilities and for a truly big name coach with established recruiting credentials. If they could do that and get off the ground, they could make something of themselves with all of their in-state talent. But if they don't, they are looking at shear misery forever.
 
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Winning puts Penn State in position for record recruiting class
Adam Rittenberg
ESPN Staff Writer

Penn State's recruiting revival seems to have followed the most basic of formulas: cause and effect.

Cause: 22 wins in the past two seasons, including a Big Ten championship, a Fiesta Bowl title, and victories over the league's top teams and recruiting heavyweights.

Effect: a 2018 class ranked No. 5 in ESPN's rankings, which, if it holds, would be Penn State's most decorated class since ESPN started rating them in 2006.

Winning bolsters recruiting. That's nothing new. Penn State had to show it could win big in the post-Jerry Sandusky scandal era. Yet because of what happened in 2011 and 2012, Penn State is a program where no stride or slide can be ascribed to one factor. Not even winning.

It took stability and time, a modernized approach to recruiting and marketing, more exciting schemes, and the visibility of a national superstar in Saquon Barkley for Penn State to build its class. And work. Penn State coach James Franklin estimates the school began recruiting 80 percent of the incoming class when they were freshmen or sophomores, before the winning really started.

While Penn State's pull for a portion of recruits never fully went away, the coaches had to convince elite-level prospects and families that they could thrive in the program, without limits.

"My first couple of years, we were still answering a lot of questions that no program in the country was having to answer, some questions most coaches weren't having to talk about," Franklin told ESPN.com. "That isn't really happening any more. Penn State has become one of those hot schools again. Whether it's a kid in California, Texas, Florida or our region, we're going to be hard [for other programs] to deal with."

Other than the time to build connections with recruits, Penn State's most important recruiting initiative was one that still impacts the entire program: modernization. Since his arrival in January 2014, Franklin has tried to balance celebrating Penn State's history and traditions while still moving the program forward in areas like recruiting.

It needed to appeal differently to the current prospect, whether through social media or direct communication. That part came easily, according to Andy Frank, Penn State's director of player personnel, who said the staff's "youthful energy" helped build bonds with recruits.

"They're just down-to-earth coaches," said Harrisburg (Pennsylvania ) High School coach Calvin Everett, who had two players sign in Penn State's class, including its top-rated recruit, defensive lineman Micah Parsons. "You could tell they're genuine. A lot of times, the kids can get a sense for things like that. That's extremely important and that's what's helping them."

But Penn State needed more resources in the recruiting realm. At times, it would need to look to other regions, a departure from the end of the Joe Paterno era, when the team signed players almost exclusively from bordering states. Facilities and the program's branding had to become showier.

"We ... didn't stay up to date and relevant with what we needed to do to keep the program progressing year in and year out," Franklin said. "We pressed the pause button on those things for 15 years. No one else did. As you're trying to catch up, no one's pressing their pause button, waiting for you to catch back up. The financial investment, the emotional investment, the sweat equity you put in, it's not easy."

The staff first saw progress locally and regionally, within Pennsylvania, Maryland and New Jersey, or "foundation states," as Penn State cornerbacks coach and recruiting coordinator Terry Smith calls them. Two top 10 national players from the region -- Parsons and wide receiver Justin Shorter (Monmouth Junction, New Jersey) -- headline the 2018 class. Penn State signed the top two New Jersey players and four of the top seven Pennsylvania prospects.

Franklin also signed the two highest-rated in-state players in 2016 -- running back Miles Sanders and guard Michal Menet -- and two of the top four in 2015 and 2017.

"When you say Penn State, people's eyes get big," Everett said. "If not the players, it's their families. One way or another, they have some Penn State connections."

The in-state recruit who had the largest contribution to PSU's current success wasn't the most decorated. Barkley came in ranked by ESPN as the No. 6 recruit in Pennsylvania (behind three other Penn State recruits) and 291st nationally.

But Barkley's record-setting career as a running back and kick returner, and his knack for highlight plays, including a 79-yard touchdown against USC in an epic Rose Bowl, enhanced the program's appeal to top recruits. Franklin says he thinks almost every high school freshman, sophomore and junior recruit saw Barkley's run in Pasadena.

"Even before we were having a ton of success, people recognized him as a player," Frank said. "Just like our success grew, his success grew."

The offense in which Barkley flourished also became a selling point. Although Penn State had several great offenses under Paterno, the scheme often leaned conservative. Franklin's predecessor, Bill O'Brien, ushered in change with his New England Patriots-style offense, and things really took off under coordinator Joe Moorhead, whose big-play passing game excited recruits and their families.

In the past two seasons, only four FBS teams have had more plays of 20 yards or longer than the Lions (176).

The recruiting class rating improved from No. 24 weeks after Franklin was hired -- the first group blended Franklin recruits and those of predecessor Bill O'Brien, but contributed greatly to the team's recent success -- to three consecutive top-20 classes in 2015, 2016 and 2017. They were strong hauls, especially for a program emerging from NCAA scholarship penalties, but Penn State couldn't lure several elite regional prospects.

New Jersey natives Minkah Fitzpatrick and Rashan Gary went to Alabama and Michigan, respectively. Pennsylvania prospect D'Andre Swift picked Georgia. Other than defensive end Shane Simmons, Penn State missed on many of the top players from Maryland.

Once the big wins arrived on the field, starting with an upset of Ohio State in October 2016, Penn State started winning more top recruiting battles. "We're typically recruiting against the same four schools," Franklin said, and while he declined to name them, Ohio State and Michigan are two. By beating Ohio State and winning the Big Ten in 2016, and falling by only a point to the Buckeyes and routing Michigan in 2017, Penn State has shown it can stack up.

PSU isn't landing every top target -- quarterback Justin Fields, ESPN's top-ranked prospect in the 2018 class, committed to Penn State before decommitting in June and signing with Georgia -- but its average is going up.

"The other thing that starts to happen is we have more options now," Franklin said. "Maybe there were 10 kids we were recruiting like that in the past. Now there's 40."


Smith thinks back to high-profile recruits like Fitzpatrick, who considered Penn State before signing with Alabama, and said, "It would have been still a challenge, but I would like our odds greater today." Smith, who spent part of last week recruiting in Atlanta, has seen an even more dramatic response in the South, where recruits had little interest in Penn State before it won the Big Ten.

Winning has driven PSU's uptick, mainly because it combatted the negative recruiting the program faced after the scandal broke. Franklin notes that his initial comments about negative recruiting were misinterpreted -- he knows it exists everywhere but other schools were using Penn State's post-scandal challenges against the program. "That line was being crossed," he said.

In finalizing the 2018 class, Penn State faces less denigration, and even less of it impacts recruits.

"I don't see how effective it would be," Frank said. "If I'm a kid or a family and they're trying to sell that line to me, I don't think you look at our program and say it makes any sense. It doesn't ring true."

Added Franklin: "We're just back to the normal negative recruiting that everybody deals with."


That could be the best sign for Penn State, which now must maintain its recruiting push. Penn State and Ohio State are competing for Rasheed Walker, an ESPN 300 tackle out of Maryland. There are other battles brewing for 2018 and 2019 prospects.

Franklin also is dealing with his first significant staffing turnover. Moorhead left to become Mississippi State's head coach, and offensive assistants Josh Gattis and Charles Huff, both strong recruiters, also departed for SEC jobs.

The staff changes make the recruiting formula a bit more complex, but Penn State, primed to sign its best class in recent memory, is operating from a strong, stable position.

"You fight like hell to become a top-25 program and it's really hard, and when you get into the top 25, you fight like hell move into the top 15," Franklin said. "The reality is, the gap between the top five teams or top six teams and 20 through 25 is dramatic. So we've done a great job of finishing in the top 10 the last two years, but we've got a lot of work to do."
 
Hmmm the Senior bowl picture of Hamilton next to Cabinda made Hamilton look small......Cothran next to Cabinda made Cabinda look small...and so on and so forth.....

Duh.....

The point is that he is a pretty small WR. Not a replacement for Enis, who looks like another big, strong receiver that could pull down the jump ball throws the way Godwin did.... Put shorter next to Luketa for reference..... Wouldn't expect you to get it.....
 
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