2021 Olympic Wrestling Match Thread and USA Wrestlers.
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Admittedly ignorant of FS rules, but I thought the first rule was that only the Americans get hosed.
Somewhere in the future the correct final Jeopardy answer will be “Who is Anthony Cassar (twice)?”.
Very short, 2 question interview with DT on the NBC Today Show. Interviewer showed his ignorance when he said "with 20 seconds left, let's be honest, you weren't gonna win". Dumbass.
I do not even understand that statement. He doesn’t understand what is is interviewing
Tell that to the Chinese girl that threw the American with 5 seconds left or even gable.
I didn't see the interview but I can only imagine since every member of every national network morning show is a jack wad im not surprised in the slightest.
Call me confused, because your dates seem to be off. In 2018 Rasheed looked to be the better option at NCAAs, and at that point Cassar had enough playing at 197 and started to fill out for the move in 2019. I don’t think it’s worth reading any more into it. I highly doubt Cael cared how good Steveson would be as a freshman or knew exactly whether Cassar would get through others to get to Gable. In the end they developed a best strategy once they knew there was a collision or two brewing.
20 seconds is plenty of time for a TD, no doubt. 10 seconds is still plenty of time if you finish clean... as DT demonstrated. There were still several seconds on the clock when DT had already earned the 2.
I was wondering about that as well. I didn't think you could just say I am not going to try to turn so let's just move on.
USA - 100 (Snyder +5)
Russia - 95 (Sadulaev, Rashidov +10)
**NLWC - 75 (Snyder +5)**
Iran - 45
India - 40 (Punia +5)
UZB - 33
I think the math there is correct. Maybe a couple low level points changes.
Russia - 95 (Sadulaev, Rashidov +10)
**NLWC - 75 (Snyder +5)**
Iran - 45
India - 40 (Punia +5)
UZB - 33
I think the math there is correct. Maybe a couple low level points changes.
Still not as bad as Jason Knapp, the wrestling announcer, repeatedly saying that there are two, three minute periods. I can understand saying it once as a mistake, but to have him repeat it several times over several days is ridiculous.
Gable Petriashvili might have been the greatest heavyweight match ever, even if it were only a first-round match. Legendary that it was for a gold medal.
Ref should not have stopped after the first late TD, but Gable was robbed in the first of a four so maybe it was a makeup call of sorts. On that alleged four, on slo-mo, it does look like Petriashvili stopped, but also that Gable started the move while Petriashvili was still in bounds; I've seen iffier calls for four. It also looked like Gable deserved two on a takedown that was stalemated, but it was difficult to see b/c of the camera angle.
Petriashvili was visibly crushed on the medal stand, but also a good sport about it.
In any event, in a 24 hour span we were treated to two gold medal final second comebacks that were instant all-time legends. And then there's Snyder Sadulaev tomorrow morning. Gilman and Dake with Bronzes. No matter the Snyder result this has been a flat-out amazing Olympics for the US team. And the women have a gold, silver, and bronze as well, with the possibility of one more bronze.
Ref should not have stopped after the first late TD, but Gable was robbed in the first of a four so maybe it was a makeup call of sorts. On that alleged four, on slo-mo, it does look like Petriashvili stopped, but also that Gable started the move while Petriashvili was still in bounds; I've seen iffier calls for four. It also looked like Gable deserved two on a takedown that was stalemated, but it was difficult to see b/c of the camera angle.
Petriashvili was visibly crushed on the medal stand, but also a good sport about it.
In any event, in a 24 hour span we were treated to two gold medal final second comebacks that were instant all-time legends. And then there's Snyder Sadulaev tomorrow morning. Gilman and Dake with Bronzes. No matter the Snyder result this has been a flat-out amazing Olympics for the US team. And the women have a gold, silver, and bronze as well, with the possibility of one more bronze.
Yeah, and the brief look of shock on DT's face when he was asked the question made it even more clear that he never doubted he'd get the win and the NBC anchor was an idiot.
So a technical question on the rules for those more informed than me. Assuming Gable should not have been allowed to not seek a turn, what should the remedy have been? A point to Petriashvili? If so, and Gable then got the TD and the match had been tied, who would have won?
"Catch and Release" is a folk tactic. Assume that just getting up and refusing to wrestle in that position is a "passivity" penalty in Free.
ok, so then with the ensuing takedown to tie by GS, who wins?
Edit: messages crossed. tx.
Not entirely sure what you're asking, but after Gable got the first of his late two TDs, he should have been forced to attempt to turn Petriashvili from that par terre position and only after he failed to turn would the clock stop and both wrestlers returned to their feet. If that sequence played out like it should have, more time would have run off the clock, probably all of it, and Gable would have lost by 1 if he'd failed to turn.
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So if there's an error, it was in blowing the whistle? How strange it would have been for GS to "release" him and have the clock run out with him just standing there for 7 seconds with the ref staring at him. Correct perhaps (I don't know), but strange.
As to criteria, didn't the Georgian have a 4pt move?
I think he's saying if Gable just gets up and refuses to attempt to turn him.... Not sure I've ever seen it, but assume ref can call a passivity penalty for refusing to wrestle.
Also, didn't Gable's opponent have a 4-point move? Highest scoring move is 1st Criteria, no?
Yeah, it would have been odd, which is why the ref blew the whistle. Petro did not have a four point move, he had two separate TDs and two separate turns.
We brought ourselves. We are hell. — SNYDER 2.0.
gotcha, thanks. since you are so helpful, out of curiosity, having blown the whistle, could the ref have assessed a penalty point?
Have never seen it before (not that I watch that much free - most of the Freestyle I've seen is from wrestling in spring/summer Free Tournaments as a kid) - but I'm assuming that the Ref is at liberty to call a passivity penalty for refusing to wrestle/engage.
I don't believe there's any predicate for assessing a penalty point there, for what would be his own screwup. Perhaps upon realizing he screwed up he could have run the clock back, put Petro down in par terre, and let it play out from there, but I'm having difficulty imagining it occurring. I can't recall a FS ref ever attempting to rectify their own blown call, especially a subjective judgment call like when to call a stalemate. Others here (there are at least a few officials on this forum) might have more informed opinions than mine.
Yeah, it sounded as if the announcer was implying that there was a tremendous amount of good fortune or luck in his win, which is the diametric opposite of reality. If you watch a lot of wrestling of any kind, you will often see that matches between equally elite wrestlers will often come down to the end of the match and be determined by the competitor with the better gas tank. Guys like JB, who knew that they could take someone for a TD in a super close match will often wait for the clock to go under 25 or 30 seconds before "setting up" their final attack and fire it off with only 15 or even 10 seconds to go.... this ensures that it will be the deciding points of the match.
He didn't have a 4, but he had 4 2's which would have given him criteria.
Strange, but this would have been the correct call. In that situation, Gable's best move would have been to completely disengage and hope Geno was dumb enough to stand up and start wrestling again.
The bottom wrestler can, and often does, score from the par terre position (you more often see it from the women in Olympic Wrestling) - in fact, I think Gable scored a "reversal" in this very match. So, as a matter of rule, I believe the Ref can call passivity on top wrestler if he releases bottom wrestler, gets up and walks away... for refusing to wrestle/engage.
In this instance, bottom wrestler doesn't need opportunity to score, but the rules aren't based on this specific situation. Top man is required to wrestle there... and if he disengages and refuses to wrestle, I'm assuming he can be penalized.
So you are saying State College out scored most countries? I thought so.
Yes, but is State College safer than Iran?
Yep, if NLWC was a country, they’d be in 2nd place.
