ADVERTISEMENT

2021 Olympic Wrestling Match Thread and USA Wrestlers.


Relevant, but not definitive imho - the top wrestler clearly re-engages when warned and told to re-engage (i.e., "wrestle") by Official. Again, not saying Ref required to call passivity, but is at liberty to do so if he so chooses I would think.

For instance, if top wrestler did this early in match after a TD, not late.... and refused to heed Official's verbal warning....
 
He didn't have a 4, but he had 4 2's which would have given him criteria.
I don’t think that is correct. I believe that it just matters what the highest scoring move is for both. Since they both had 2’s, that would be a tie there….doesn’t matter if one guy had more 2’s… then the next criteria would be number of cautions…then last points scored….so Gable would have won, even if penalized by standing.

I’m no freestyle expert, but I think that is the way it would be
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hoosier Lion
I don’t think that is correct. I believe that it just matters what the highest scoring move is for both. Since they both had 2’s, that would be a tie there….doesn’t matter if one guy had more 2’s… then the next criteria would be number of cautions…then last points scored….so Gable would have won, even if penalized by standing.

I’m no freestyle expert, but I think that is the way it would be
It does matter who had more twos, that's exactly how criteria works. Highest scoring move; and then the number of that highest scoring move.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nitlion6
L look




We joke about world domination. It’s no joke! I’d love to hear what the coaches in ROC and Iran are saying about what Cael and his team have built in State College.
We have to either pay the refs more, or threaten them more menacingly?
 
The UWW rulebook does not list number of highest scoring moves as a tiebreaker, and the accompanying table does not list that situation.

See Article 30, p. 22 (PDF p. 23):
https://uww.org/sites/default/files/media/document/wrestling_rules_7.pdf
That's true, they don't provide that scenario as an example. However, let's simplify the scenario--if I'm leading 4-3 on my two TDs and your TD & step out point, you need more than another step out point to win. It's universally recognized that your 2+1+1 loses to my 2+2. I think if you scroll up a page, I think this is reconcilable as being included within the "highest value of holds," which is the first criteria.
 
2 Gable match observations I haven’t seen mentioned:
  1. Anyone notice the look on Petri’s face after that 4 of Gable’s that wasn’t called? It was priceless—and I was all the more surprised he turned things around after it.
  2. I know Gable is well know for his speed on his go behinds—but on the clincher, his technique to cut the corner looked awfully familiar. Especially the way his feet just floated through the air on the finish. Maybe the time with RBY this summer bore some fruit—maybe Geno and Daton can commiserate together. Could just be my homer eyes, and is admittedly a reach, but I’m sticking to it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: royboy
That's true, they don't provide that scenario as an example. However, let's simplify the scenario--if I'm leading 4-3 on my two TDs and your TD & step out point, you need more than another step out point to win. It's universally recognized that your 2+1+1 loses to my 2+2. I think if you scroll up a page, I think this is reconcilable as being included within the "highest value of holds," which is the first criteria.
I agree that UWW should add this scenario to that table to clarify.
 
It does matter who had more twos, that's exactly how criteria works. Highest scoring move; and then the number of that highest scoring move.

Honestly, I'm not sure
That's true, they don't provide that scenario as an example. However, let's simplify the scenario--if I'm leading 4-3 on my two TDs and your TD & step out point, you need more than another step out point to win. It's universally recognized that your 2+1+1 loses to my 2+2. I think if you scroll up a page, I think this is reconcilable as being included within the "highest value of holds," which is the first criteria.

They changed the rules regarding criteria within the last several years - definitely used to be what you're saying, but I'm not sure if it's still the case under new criteria rules.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: nitlion6
I know Gable is well know for his speed on his go behinds—but on the clincher, his technique to cut the corner looked awfully familiar. Especially the way his feet just floated through the air on the finish. Maybe the time with RBY this summer bore some fruit—maybe Geno and Daton can commiserate together. Could just be my homer eyes, and is admittedly a reach, but I’m sticking to it.
Maybe he was thinking of this:

 
Very short, 2 question interview with DT on the NBC Today Show. Interviewer showed his ignorance when he said "with 20 seconds left, let's be honest, you weren't gonna win". Dumbass.
David should have said, "yes, if I was someone like you that quits when they are down instead of an Olympic athlete, I would not be wearing a gold medal back to the states..."
 
It's not an official wrestling thread until Bushwood invents rules out of thin air.

Not entirely sure what you're referring to.... But the video you provided was not completely analogous to the OP's question (which was actually 2-part) as the wrestler in video disengages and immediately has interaction with Ref - who almost certainly instructed him to re-engage and "wrestle" as the top wrestler immediately re-engages bottom wrestler after interaction with Official. This is what the Ref would do in that situation - he would issue a verbal warning to top wrestler to re-engage and wrestle.... If the top wrestler just ignored the Ref and continued to do nothing (i.e., just stand there), I assume the Ref can penalize him for refusing to wrestle.

Again, I didn't say the Ref has to immediately penalize him, but I believe the Ref has the discretion to penalize the top wrestler in that situation for refusing to wrestle.

This wouldn't have to happen at the end of a match - a top wrestler could just not feel like even attempting a turn because it requires more energy usage than bottom wrestler and they may consider the attempt futile against this particular opponent so they don't want to waste the energy.... If top man refuses to wrestle, the Ref would verbally warn him and, I assume, penalize him if he refuses to wrestle.
 
Last edited:
2 Gable match observations I haven’t seen mentioned:
  1. Anyone notice the look on Petri’s face after that 4 of Gable’s that wasn’t called? It was priceless—and I was all the more surprised he turned things around after it.
  2. I know Gable is well know for his speed on his go behinds—but on the clincher, his technique to cut the corner looked awfully familiar. Especially the way his feet just floated through the air on the finish. Maybe the time with RBY this summer bore some fruit—maybe Geno and Daton can commiserate together. Could just be my homer eyes, and is admittedly a reach, but I’m sticking to it.
No offense to RBY, but Gable has been the go-behind king since he first came on the scene as a high school freshman against Jordan Wood. The influence is much more likely to be in the opposite direction. They've been close since being on the cadet team together.

RBY's reattacks are pretty sick tho.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rider57
No offense to RBY, but Gable has been the go-behind king since he first came on the scene as a high school freshman against Jordan Wood. The influence is much more likely to be in the opposite direction. They've been close since being on the cadet team together.

RBY's reattacks are pretty sick tho.
I'm really only talking about the footwork to get behind. I hadn't seen Gable do that before. But I'm not going to die on that hill--I get it.
 
Yeah, and the brief look of shock on DT's face when he was asked the question made it even more clear that he never doubted he'd get the win and the NBC anchor was an idiot.

Better to be interviewed by a mainstream idiot with little wrestling knowledge than to be ignored.

Me thinks the question is being way overblown. Technically, the guy was right. With :20 left Taylor was a loser. But the match lasts 6 minutes. Who cares how he asked a question! We should care that DT was getting time in the National media, not just to wrestling freaks like us!
 
Still not as bad as Jason Knapp, the wrestling announcer, repeatedly saying that there are two, three minute periods. I can understand saying it once as a mistake, but to have him repeat it several times over several days is ridiculous.

Since the match breaks after 3 minutes and continues with 3 more minutes and the match stats clearly divide the scoring by P1 and P2. So if that's not right, what is? Seems pretty easy to see it that way and obviously Burroughs and Smith aren't correcting him.

 
  • Like
Reactions: aalion and nitlion6
Since the match breaks after 3 minutes and continues with 3 more minutes and the match stats clearly divide the scoring by P1 and P2. So if that's not right, what is? Seems pretty easy to see it that way and obviously Burroughs and Smith aren't correcting him.

Yeah, I'm confused. There are 2 periods.
 
I like Jason Knapp as a commentator. Clear, calm, steady voice. Keeps to the action. Adds colorful storylines. Doesn't get in the way of Smith or other more expert voices inside the sport. Doesn't force his ego into the picture. Provides a bigger context and some history to the bouts and athletes. And he seems to do his homework before matches and events.
 
Very short, 2 question interview with DT on the NBC Today Show. Interviewer showed his ignorance when he said "with 20 seconds left, let's be honest, you weren't gonna win". Dumbass.
I get that all morning TV is somewhat insipid but I'd cut slack here. The interviewer is just setting Taylor up with a softball by alluding to the difficulty and magnitude of that moment. It's unreasonable to expect morning show broadcasters, who veer through dozens of topics every day, to know enough about Taylor's background, or any Olympian's background, to know that his chances were actually pretty decent with 20 seconds left. It's fluff TV, not Frontline. Taylor was introduced to a lot people who had never heard of him, and he came off smart and likeable.
 
The article is definitely nice, supplemental well deserved recognition. I just hope they don't leave the Gable feat still buried at the bottom of the story tomorrow.

I'm betting Gable will see some Prime Time coverage tonight. David and Helen's matches got some love last night. All of the successes are leading to some coverage wrestlers might not normally see. Will they get what Rulon Gardner got? Probably not, but still nice to see that new eyeballs will view some wrestling content.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cali_Nittany
Maybe he was thinking of this:

El-Jefe, As the most prolific poster on this Forum (6.8 posts on average per day for the last nine years!!) I decided to see what it might take to achieve such lofty numbers myself. I just hit my 200th post today since joining in November of 2019. For me to reach your current post count it will only take me 49 years! At least I now have something to strive for in retirement. ;)
 
I like Jason Knapp as a commentator. Clear, calm, steady voice. Keeps to the action. Adds colorful storylines. Doesn't get in the way of Smith or other more expert voices inside the sport. Doesn't force his ego into the picture. Provides a bigger context and some history to the bouts and athletes. And he seems to do his homework before matches and events.
I thought he was fine, yeah. For niche sports, networks typically pair a broadcasting vet outside of the sport b/c they can better convey what casual Olympic viewers need to hear to understand what they're seeing, and the best you can hope for is that they're not imbeciles.

Which brings us to the two Brits who've been announcing wrestling simultaneous
with the Olympic Channel broadcast, on the main broadcast. Again: it's not the worst idea to have someone outside the sport guiding things, but neither announcer can even identify a leg lace. Or a takedown. And frequently interject actual terms where they don't belong (e.g., numerous "reversals" that weren't actually reversals). The color announcer, Neil Adams, is an ex judo star. The play-by-play guy I'm guessing also does judo but doesn't even have a name (he doesn't provide it at the beginning of broadcasts and I wasn't able to find him easily online--which is weird). I imagine NBC hired them so there'd be a non-American-centric broadcast team for the rest of the English-speaking world, but it's still insulting to hear your sport is announced by two people who are practically professional versions of those Nebraska students (see "fist to the back"). And left unexplained why in the US I can hear them at all when I watch online or replays--why don't I get Knapp, Smith, and JB?
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT