Sort of interesting money quote...
"The lack of local support to host the events during November and December was also a contributing factor in the decision by the Bureau to cancel the World Cups"
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"The lack of local support to host the events during November and December was also a contributing factor in the decision by the Bureau to cancel the World Cups"
They’re spending all their money on the Tunnel
The Spencer Lee Era in Iowa has gone about as well as it could. 10/10.
As for Spencer, tough breaks. Guys get hurt sometimes and have to bail. It happens. Get well, jump back in the pool, and if you ultimately make the team, rep the US of A honorably.
But I have to say, the parental interview -- particularly something so lengthy and "produced" -- is just a little weird for my taste. Trying to put the most charitable spin on it, maybe Dad's effectively his agent, and if so, well ok then. But that opens up another weird can of worms in terms of branding strategy.
But I have to say, the parental interview -- particularly something so lengthy and "produced" -- is just a little weird for my taste. Trying to put the most charitable spin on it, maybe Dad's effectively his agent, and if so, well ok then. But that opens up another weird can of worms in terms of branding strategy.
Dad's his marketer.
Anyone hanging around the western Pa wrestling scene a decade ago can tell some interesting stories on the matter. Also why the chuckle was so thunderous when his listed reasons for Iowa didn't mention the old man.
I'm sorta wondering whether he's gonna place a call to the Saudis to start a LIV wrestling tour
oh, i don't know - pretty hard to begrudge someone trying.
I get the economic branding principle that scarcity creates value, but I'm not sure if this is quite the way it works.The whole thing, so off the rails.
Bob can't evict anyone from luxury suites for the UWW execs to stay in, because he has none.
People take shots at Nicky Suntan, but look at how he handled missing Olympic Trials because of Covid. There were a few stories, but he just moved on without much ceremony.
The big difference is: the Lee family cares immensely about Spencer's public image. Cruiseliner Nick is in his own world.
Actually, he'd have been fine to interview for the first three minutes, the fear was that if the interview dragged out into minute five that his knee would act up.
I don't know. I think ADS losing would further ignite the special effects show that is GIA! Gobblin would step up and assure everyone that all is beyond well and the greatest,most honorable staff in wrestling history will fix everything. I'm always reminded of the children's story "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen. This story explains Iowa wrestling the past several years. The "Inner Circle" is forced to accept a couple of truths that are not truths at all and formulate all recipes for improvement based on these falsehoods.
1. Carl is cheating and is a scum bag who will be exposed.
2. Iowa has the best and all knowing fan base in sports.
3. Iowa style is superior and everyone else just stalls to win.
4. Recruiting is the only reason PSU dominates.
5. We have the best staff on Earth bar none.
If they could somehow replace those false truths with these truths it would let them advance without so much anger toward Cael.
1. Cael is a truly generational coach and talent. He has put together something special like Gable did before him.
2. Iowa has a ton of great fans but they are represented by a wide variety of assorted racist drunk idiots.
3. Iowa style left with Gable and pushing and hanging in collar ties is boring.
4. Recruiting matters and PSU owns it, but developing wrestlers still holds great value.
5. Our staff is excellent, but PSU has a better staff and we probably should explore bringing in a dynamic mat wrestler from outside of the program to help game plan,develop, and recruit. "Think a David Taylor or Kyle Dake type talent. Spend big and take the chance.
While this is true, it's also how many PSU Football fans convince themselves to prefer 2-3 star athletes over 4-5 stars.
But but but look at what we did with Shane Conlan!
Recruiting is huge, but having the best recruiting classes isn't enough to win many championships or tOSU would have many more trophies in both sports.
Don't get me started, El-Jefe.
Takes me back to the old "Spaghetti-armed Grinder" talks on Pennlive message boards.
Holy crap, I didn't realize the interview with Daddy Lee was 20 minutes long.
And Spencer is 24 freakin' years old, time to grow up son.
I particularly liked Larry talking about Spencer being injured going back to his junior year of HS, yet he still chose Iowa and their history of "train harder, not smarter".
Too bad we won't see momma Lee in any more arenas due to being treated so poorly. Old Larry and Cathy never seemed to mind all the attention leading up to that fateful Friday evening, the BTN Off The Mat interview prominently featuring them, etc.
What an unlikable crew they've become over the last 6 weeks.
And Spencer is 24 freakin' years old, time to grow up son.
I particularly liked Larry talking about Spencer being injured going back to his junior year of HS, yet he still chose Iowa and their history of "train harder, not smarter".
Too bad we won't see momma Lee in any more arenas due to being treated so poorly. Old Larry and Cathy never seemed to mind all the attention leading up to that fateful Friday evening, the BTN Off The Mat interview prominently featuring them, etc.
What an unlikable crew they've become over the last 6 weeks.
If I'm in Spencer's camp I'm reaching out to Aflac for sponsorship. This could be him instead of Saban.
Lar reached out and wanted to chat. As if with all of the talent on display yesterday, everything was meaningless until Lar gave us a report.
The Lee video was odd. I felt bad for him initially, but as people are saying, this is pretty silly. Why is it a dateline type interview? Why isn't Spencer doing it? He's 24. Just admit your knees are ****ed up.
That's a bridge too far for fanatics (even if they'd be willing to fight at it).
If I'm in Spencer's camp I'm reaching out to Aflac for sponsorship. This could be him instead of Saban.
Brooks versus Valencia could be fun. If I remember correctly, it got somewhat chippy the last time they met. Valencia seemed to think he was not being respected enough.
Lars is over the top and here comes coach Phil to take his place except his son isn't nearly as good. I can't wait for the coach Phil interviews!
Yeah it’s weird. It’s as if the Lee family thinks everyone watching only cares about Spencer Lee. Hell you had an Olympic Gold Medlaist in the tournament. So many great wrestlers yesterday. I didn’t see any other parents interviews after an injury.
My take..if you too injured to wrestle the whole tourney, don’t enter. If he reinjured himself after his quarters match, then W/D like a normal person. If someone asks you a question, tell the truth..shouldn’t be this much drama every time he enters a tournament
This is not a great look for someone that may want to be a coach
Thx, KPS. That’s some next level interview analysis and insight.
Now if we could just get body language, lie detection, and public relations experts to weigh in, we should be able to issue a formal board assessment of Lar’s interview and the entire Lee clan soon.
Joking aside, I had a bit of a different take and came away with the impression that Pyles and Lar rehearsed the interview but Lar forgot some of his lines and had to ad lib at times.
And maybe having dad do the interview was the Lee’s way of trying to rehabilitate the family’s image and neutralize the optics of mom’s public meltdown. For some reason I can imagine Pyles making that pitch to Lar. Either way, the interview did have a bit of a LeBron James “The Decision” feel to it.
^^^^^ This 100% ^^^^^ Make no mistake, it is always about Spencer's image. On the other hand, I honestly believe Nick dosen't give two shits about his image. Never has!! Never will !!
They want to tell the world that Spencer's injuries are the reason he did not win the NCAA championship and are the reason he had to forfiet befor wrestling Suriano (the first real threat to beating Spencer at the Open) but Spencer cannot make such excuses because "excuses are for wussies." So they send his dad out to make the excuses for him. Given Spencer's severe knee problems, which are completely valid excuses for why he lost and why he MF, Spencer has placed himself in a difficult position by embracing "excuses are for wussies" if he actually wants the world to know about his valid excuses.
The Iowa affect. Push and shove and demand the referee intercede on your behalf. Whine, pout and be angry when he doesn't.
It ain't just an Iowa wrestling style, when not careful it manifests into a lifestyle.
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He already has it, it's just spelled differently - HWC
If I'm in Spencer's camp I'm reaching out to Aflac for sponsorship. This could be him instead of Saban.
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