2024 Senior Worlds (non Olympic weights) - October 28-31
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Real question: could he beat Dake today if they wrestled?
Don’t matter in the words of Ricky Bobby “if you ain’t first , your last “
Never could before and Dakes only gotten younger while DT has grown old. Tech for Dake no problem
Who cares, he’s not our problem anymore. Let Okie State deal with him.
Green's match was a head scratcher. He looked good and had a 4-0 lead 1:40 into the match when something switched to where he looked like he hit a wall conditioning-wise and gave up ten straight points. I could understand that if this had been at 65kg since that was too much of a cut for him, but up at 70kg I am not sure what to make of it.
Sadulaev. Amazing. Not that I saw it live considering the freaking feed cut out.
Those 2 headpinches that Ono hit on Vito were ****ing beautiful. The first one off the scramble was so smooth but the 4 pointer to end the match was next level. Ono seems to be improving at a really high rate
I’d like to think a large portion of regulars did. One might even wager a majority.
I think most of us understood your point.
Our JUCO hosts an open to start our season this weekend. Bunch of my club guys at colleges come back to compete. Couple club kids have big matchups at an all star dual, one of ‘em being ranked nationally. I don’t have energy to give away for free, when I’m so blessed.
So what is your point? What do you think wrestling fans should be more interested in and discussing on a wrestling forum?
Pointing out facts such as age difference, and the different weights where the wrestlers have achieved success in the past is totally relevant in analyzing why David Taylor was dominated. So is the fact that David Taylor is the head coach of OSU and may not be 100% dedicated to training. There is absolutely nothing wrong with fans discussing why they think a loss occurred, even if the reason can be labeled as an "excuse." The only people who should not be allowed to make such observations are those who state and believe that "excuses are for wusses." I, for one, as a fan believe it is totally appropriate to discuss how injuries, failure to properly train, or decline in skills due to age may have effected an athlete's performance.
I haven't seen anyone saying David Taylor should have won that match. It was clear who the better wrestler was. I just don't understand what you think people should be interested in talking about.
Watching the DT vs Sadulaev video, one thing is pretty clear. You really want to stay off your knees against Sadulaev. If you make a straight on shot, it better be a clean double like you see from guys like JB. Going underneath and getting stopped is just playing into his strengths.
I know it's a lot easier said than done, but I think someone (AB?) should work on making angles for leg attacks and maybe pass by or short arm drag style attacks. DT's approach didn't seem to be at all effective.
I know it's a lot easier said than done, but I think someone (AB?) should work on making angles for leg attacks and maybe pass by or short arm drag style attacks. DT's approach didn't seem to be at all effective.
Underhook heavy approach. Hard hand fighting and try to wear him out. Lots of snaps as well. Work that neck of Sad and see if can hold up. No committed attacks where you end up under him in the first period. Make him continuously clear ties especially hooks. In the second try snatch singles or attacking with angles. Still might not be enough but that’s the game plan I think gives the best shot and it’s one AB could definitely execute
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Most of us posting here are armchair quarterbacks. I competed in college and also coached high school kids. I was never close to the level of the guys we talk about on this message board, but I still know enough about the sport to be able to make informed observations.
So yeah, commenting on things that are relevant but non technical like attitude, level of commitment, etc. are still part of the sport. There’s no reason why someone should refrain from posting an opinion on these areas as long as they are being respectful.
I’m thinking they’re better than Brayden Thompson. Thompson’s mom got a little salty when that was pointed out by someone on Flo’s Facebook page.
Yea, the Russian tank ain’t at the Rodeo with his family, he’s going to dark places with top level world talent as backups , not cam
Amine . DT gave it a last go , good on him
Amine . DT gave it a last go , good on him
Taz grew up in "his club", right? Be interesting to see/hear if/when that split happened and how amicable it was.
my point is that folks can talk all they want about different variables and I just don't care, there is no situation DT was beating Sads. Put DT in a time machine and go back a few years, doesn't change a thing. No version of DT is winning this match today even if Casey was in his corner. I didn't say there was anything wrong with folks saying whatever they wanted but I am not buying it - simple as that. DT was prepared enough to win the trials and I think he was ready to go but wasn't ever going to beat Sads, there is a reason Kyle Snyder is something like 1-6 against him.
That last head pinch looked remarkably like the standing cement mixer Jamarr Billman hit in his SR state finals.
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Not to pick a side in this, but, in other threads people are all saying (guys dropping weight against guys going up a weight) it favors the guy going up, because they will have full tanks and the ones dropping will have no energy. I know one is a tournament, and the other is a season. That did not seem to be a factor in this match.
Snyder already tried that one. 2021 Worlds (after trying low single at the Olympics)
Sad just went Greco stance and underhook pass-by. The dude has so many weapons. And he got tired once. The first time they wrestled. And NEVER again.
Not saying it beats him but it’s better than shooting underneath him with volume like DT did. Also, his neck might not be the same after his injury. Snyder is not an underhook wrestler either. He is a volume attacker for the most part. AB’s underhook is his main weapon. Big difference I think
DTs first shot was good but he got out scrambled, to an extent, and ended in neutral
Vito is in the Bronze medal match.
Taylor is in the Repechage bracket. He's the 4th match on Mat A in the morning session against Abubakr Abakarov (AZE). If DT wins that match he'll face Lars Schaefle (GER) in the next repechage round, and if he wins that match he'll get Kamran Ghasempour (IRI) in the Bronze medal match.
JB & Green are both out.
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Definitely a changing of the guard for the US team upcoming.
Thursday, October 31
11:00 am - 12:30 pm - Men's Freestyle Repechage1:00 pm - 4:00 pm - Men's Freestyle Medal Rounds
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Someone on Internet said Green had been our man at 70kg for a long time.
Yeah, no. I guess Zain’s far better results in less time are totally ignored.
Kota Takahashi is in the repechage bracket at 79kg. Is this the same Takahashi that beat Mesenbrink at U23's?
Takahashi with a big 4 point move at the end to win it 12-11.
Takahashi with a big 4 point move at the end to win it 12-11.
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92kg Repechage. - David Morris Taylor VS Abubakr Abakarov (AZE)
Taylor time. Is this going to be his last match? A: Nope
Period 1:
DT in red, Abakarov in blue. Here we go. Tying up, DT shoots, gets a leg, but then backs out. Back to center, circling & tying up. Abakarov looking underhook, DT holding ground. Abakarov coming forward a little, but DT pushes back. Passivity warning DT, restart. Tying up. DT shoots, gets a leg, Abakarov sprawls back, then locks in through the crotch, stalemate, restart. Tying up, Abakarov looking underhook. DT gets hit with a 2nd passivity warning & goes on the clock, restart. Tying up & pushing. DT snaps, but nothing & back to the tie up. Collar ties & hand fighting. Abakarov shot clock point, 1-0. ~4-min left. More tying up & hand fighting & pushing. Passivity warning Abakarov, restart. 30-sec. left. DT shoots, gets a leg, Abakarov locks through the crotch. DT trying to suck in the leg & come around, Abakarov counters, they scramble & end up back in neutral as the period expires. 1-0 Abakarov
Period 2:
Abakarov sent back for another toweling off. Back to action. Abakarov shoots, gets a leg, DT locked through the crotch & works behind for the TD, 2-1, no turns, restart, 2:33 left. DT snaps, reaches for a leg, nothing. Abakarov reaches for a leg, nothing & back to the tie up in the center. 2nd passivity warning Abakarov & he goes on the clock, restart, 2-min left. Collar ties & hand fighting in the center, but not much more action. Shot clock point DT, 3-1. DT shoots for a low single, nothing & back to the tie up. DT with a snap attempt now & then. 1-min left. Abakarov looking 2 on 1, DT reaches for a leg, Abakarov snaps, tries to come behind, but DT scrambles out of it & gets away. Back to neutral, 30-sec left. Abakarov pushing forward a little, drops to a leg, DT locked through the crotch, they keep working, but it's another stalemate position as time expires.
David Taylor DEC Abubakr Abakarov 3-1
Taylor is in the hole on Mat B already & will face Lars Schaefle (GER) in his next match. The winner gets Kamran Ghasempour (IRI) in the Bronze medal match.
Taylor time. Is this going to be his last match? A: Nope
Period 1:
DT in red, Abakarov in blue. Here we go. Tying up, DT shoots, gets a leg, but then backs out. Back to center, circling & tying up. Abakarov looking underhook, DT holding ground. Abakarov coming forward a little, but DT pushes back. Passivity warning DT, restart. Tying up. DT shoots, gets a leg, Abakarov sprawls back, then locks in through the crotch, stalemate, restart. Tying up, Abakarov looking underhook. DT gets hit with a 2nd passivity warning & goes on the clock, restart. Tying up & pushing. DT snaps, but nothing & back to the tie up. Collar ties & hand fighting. Abakarov shot clock point, 1-0. ~4-min left. More tying up & hand fighting & pushing. Passivity warning Abakarov, restart. 30-sec. left. DT shoots, gets a leg, Abakarov locks through the crotch. DT trying to suck in the leg & come around, Abakarov counters, they scramble & end up back in neutral as the period expires. 1-0 Abakarov
Period 2:
Abakarov sent back for another toweling off. Back to action. Abakarov shoots, gets a leg, DT locked through the crotch & works behind for the TD, 2-1, no turns, restart, 2:33 left. DT snaps, reaches for a leg, nothing. Abakarov reaches for a leg, nothing & back to the tie up in the center. 2nd passivity warning Abakarov & he goes on the clock, restart, 2-min left. Collar ties & hand fighting in the center, but not much more action. Shot clock point DT, 3-1. DT shoots for a low single, nothing & back to the tie up. DT with a snap attempt now & then. 1-min left. Abakarov looking 2 on 1, DT reaches for a leg, Abakarov snaps, tries to come behind, but DT scrambles out of it & gets away. Back to neutral, 30-sec left. Abakarov pushing forward a little, drops to a leg, DT locked through the crotch, they keep working, but it's another stalemate position as time expires.
David Taylor DEC Abubakr Abakarov 3-1
Taylor is in the hole on Mat B already & will face Lars Schaefle (GER) in his next match. The winner gets Kamran Ghasempour (IRI) in the Bronze medal match.
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