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Dictating on my I phone while walking, it gets wonky.
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I predicted it all in this thread:
Poor Bourbon n blues
Poor @bourbon n blues tried to make nice in the cesspool. I watched as you tried to engage the elite wrestling fans a couple weeks ago. You entered as innocently as a virgin walking into a brothel starting a thread about Spencer Lee's dominance with your humble opinion deferential to the...pennstate.forums.rivals.com
I have guy thumbs so I try to voice text, it can get interesting.
I’ve practiced it here a few times but I’m going to go all out when I post over there. The turd will be unleashed but some of them won’t be bright enough to figure out they are being made fun of.
If ironturd gets the ban hammer, you can always sign up for irontard.
Chatgtp
Bird just seems like a psychotic evil twin version of the lovable rutgersal.
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Just saw on GIA a post that hit home…
“In the last 10 years Iowa has had 8 #1 seeds. They have gone 1/8 in those matches (Spencer 2021).”
Unfathomable stats if true. I am very surprised Iowa has only had 8 #1s heading into NCAAS in last 10 years … Seems impossible… let alone only 1 of those guys winning.
“In the last 10 years Iowa has had 8 #1 seeds. They have gone 1/8 in those matches (Spencer 2021).”
Unfathomable stats if true. I am very surprised Iowa has only had 8 #1s heading into NCAAS in last 10 years … Seems impossible… let alone only 1 of those guys winning.
2023:
1 Spencer placed 6th
1 Real Woods placed 2nd
2022:
No 1-seeds
2021:
1 Spencer Lee placed 1st
1 Eierman placed 2nd
1 Marinelli DNP
1 Kemerer placed 2nd
2020:
Covid
2019:
1 Marinelli placed 7th
2018:
No 1-seeds
2017:
1 Gilman placed 3rd
2016:
No 1-seeds
2015:
No 1-seeds
2014:
No 1-seeds
2013:
No 1-seeds
That's true only if omitting the 1 seeds in the canceled 2020 season. Otherwise it's 11x.
| YR | WT | Name | Place | Pts |
2017 | 125 | Thomas Gilman | 3 | 17.5 |
2019 | 165 | Alex Marinelli | 7 | 7.5 |
2020 | 125 | Spencer Lee | N/A | N/A |
2020 | 149 | Pat Lugo | N/A | N/A |
2020 | 165 | Alex Marinelli | N/A | N/A |
2021 | 125 | Spencer Lee | 1 | 24.5 |
2021 | 141 | Jaydin Eierman | 2 | 21.5 |
2021 | 165 | Alex Marinelli | R12 | 4.0 |
2021 | 174 | Michael Kemerer | 2 | 20.0 |
2023 | 125 | Spencer Lee | 6 | 13.5 |
2023 | 141 | Real Woods | 2 | 19.0 |
As nicely as I could I pointed out that if Nagao came to PSU it is because he wants to win championships. If he wanted to win a championship and did not want to wrestle at PSU, Cornell and Ohio State are better choices than Iowa.
That gets me labeled a troll. Just facts.
That gets me labeled a troll. Just facts.
Maybe it was the 30 other posts you made on GIA last night?
Lots are super thin skinover there….I see posts all the time that get forwarded to Ross….unless you agree with their narrative you get sent right to the principals office and expelled…..I’ve been booted twice
I know the results are not going to surprise anyone, but here is PSU for comparison. I hope I didn't make any mistakes.
19 #1 seeds. 15 placed 1st. 4 placed 2nd. Every single #1 seeded PSU wrestler in the last 10 NCAA tournaments has made the finals.
2023:
1 Roman Bravo-Young, placed 2nd
1 Carter Starocci, placed 1st
2022:
1 Roman Bravo-Young, placed 1st
1 Nick Lee, placed 1st
1 Carter Starocci, placed 1st
1 Max Dean, placed 1st
2021:
1 Aaron Brooks, placed 1st
2020:
Covid
2019:
1 Jason Nolf, placed 1st
1 Mark Hall, placed 2nd
1 Bo Nickal, placed 1st
2018:
1 Zain Retherford, placed 1st
1 Bo Nickal, placed 1st
2017:
1 Zain Retherford, placed 1st
1 Jason Nolf, placed 1st
2016:
1 Zain Retherford, placed 1st
1 Bo Nickal, placed 2nd
1 Morgan McIntosh, placed 2nd
2015:
No 1-seeds
2014:
1 David Taylor, placed 1st
2013:
1 Ed Ruth, placed 1st
And three of the four #1 seeds that finished 2nd won a combined 6 titles between them in other years.
Thanks for putting this together. I intended to include it in my original post, but got bored by the time I finished Iowa's.
I'm a broken record on this topic, but this is the "why" of the current situation. Iowa will never consistently beat PSU head to head in recruiting until they start winning on Saturday night. Elite recruits want titles.
79% success rate. I believe our friends over GIA would find anything less than 83% unacceptable.
The 4th beat Snyder and Cox in the same postseason.
Thanks for taking the first step with the Iowa numbers. If you want to take it even deeper, PSU has also done incredibly well with #2 and #3 seeds I think.
I think you have that exactly right. It's actually a bit surprising that we didn't see bigger PSU transfers years ago. But I'm not surprised PSU easily filled any perceived holes this year. Probably didn't have to put in too much effort either. With each transfer, you see the kid basically saying that PSU was their goal all along, so that they can maximize their potential. I think that will occur in most years to come. It actually seems odd with the current transfer rules and PSU's success rate that any top kid wouldn't transfer if they think they can make the lineup. For example, I get that David Carr loves his teammates and coaches and such, but maaaannn....he's must have considered "what if".
The longer this goes on, the more it's becoming engrained, too. The picture of Truax with a Penn State Wrestling Dyansty T-shirt when he was a kid ten years ago should set off alarm bells with Iowa and the rest of the wrestling world. The kids that are coming through the NCAA now know nothing but complete PSU dominance from their earliest days of wrestling. Why wouldn't they jump at the chance to wrestle for the only dominant program they've seen in their lifetime?
I think it's mostly because we're in a new era of true elite wrestlers transferring. That used to be pretty rare. Off the top of my head:
Andrew Howe - already had DT and Brown at 165/74
Suriano - started at PSU
I'm honestly blanking on anybody else. In that same span, we've seen PSU plug holes with a bunch of transfers. Most didn't pan out super well. They got Jered Cortez, Cory Keener, Carson Kuhn, Jimmy Lawson, Geno Morelli, Drew Hildebrandt, and Max Dean. The only guy I can remember them going after and missing on recently was Desanto and he didn't fit in the lineup well anyway.
This was the first year where you guys had 2 holes with elite wrestlers available at both weights. And you unsurprisingly hit a home run.
I think there have been other "elite" transfers, mostly actually going to Iowa like Eierman and Woods. They are certainly as "elite" as Nagao or Truax (Eierman was 5th, 4th, 3rd before transferring compared to just a 5th for Nagao or 4th, 4th, 4th for Truax).
Yep good point. Though PSU wasn't an option for Eierman and Woods had long time ties to the Iowa program through Izzy which probably helped quite a bit. Did PSU recruit him? I can't remember honestly.
I’ll be an asshole here but I’d have been shocked if either Marinelli or Lugo won in 2020. Marinelli’s track record in March is documented and Lugo wrestles classic picked off before finals style.
There was some talk of reaching out to Woods, but I don't think there was a full court press for him. I really don't think there is a full court press for any transfers. For this year, when kids like Truax or Nagao enter the portal, Cael will of course talk to them, but he doesn't really promise anything, just the best program in the country and the opportunity to talk to the NIL people, so it's still possible these kids will get better offers elsewhere. Both those kids this year had much better NIL from Iowa and didn't take it. There will certainly be other kids who choose somewhere else. PSU isn't the best fit for everyone - Eierman, Woods, and Suriano (twice) are perfect examples of that. This year was just a perfect storm, including Mesenbrink basically recruiting himself in.
In terms of volume, yes.
In terms of quality ... Mocco. Kolat, Jenkins, Billman, albeit all 3 for other reasons.
I'd also not count DeSanto regardless of his destination, in terms of the era we're now in. He got kicked off the team at Drexel, so he would've been a transfer at any point in history.
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McKenna is another one off the top of my head that PSU was (rumored to be) heavily in on and didn't get.
I had Marinelli losing to Wick in the quarters (another nightmare draw for him that people forget about) and Lugo losing to Sasso in the semis in my brackets. Lugo also had a potential nightmare match up in the quarters with Degen too.
Just for the hell of it, how many non-#1 seeds have won national championships over the same period for both schools?
I think Lugo was on opposite side of Sasso, I think he loses to AOC (I know he crushed him at Midlands but Turk and Glosser almost beat him that weekend also lol) who seems very money in March, he definitely was going to do well though, he jumped levels that year.
I think the two big factors are
combined with the current portal situation, as in applies to non-graduate transfers.
Pre-portal releases/waivers use to be required for eligibility not to be adversely affected (especially B10 intra-conference). That constraint is presently gone.
It will be interesting to see how NCAA changes to the portal, to allow only one free transfer without loss of eligibility, affects things going forward.
I suspect overall it will put a bit of a damper on early transfers. While this would likely also reduce the total number of non-graduate transfers on out years, I think it might actually put PSU in a better position to recruit first (and only time) transferees then, because a would be transferee will better understand the importance of making the right/best choice. I see this line of thinking reflected in Aaron Nagao's choice.
For sure we were in the mix, but never easy for us layfolk to know how hard that coaching group is pursuing, is what I meant
In the last 10 NCAA tournaments, PSU has had 15 champions not seeded #1 (at least one in every tournament). Iowa has had 5.
2023:
Aaron Brooks, #3 Seed
2022:
Aaron Brooks, #2 Seed
2021:
Roman Bravo-Young, #2 Seed
Nick Lee, #2 Seed
Carter Starocci, #3 Seed
2020:
Covid
2019:
Spencer Lee, #3 Seed
Anthony Cassar, #2 Seed
2018:
Spencer Lee, #3 Seed
Jason Nolf, #3 Seed
Vincenzo Joseph, #3 Seed
2017:
Cory Clark, #4 Seed
Vincenzo Joseph, #3 Seed
Mark Hall, #5 Seed
Bo Nickal, #2 Seed
2016:
Nico Megaludis, #3 Seed
2015:
Matt Brown, #2 Seed
2014:
Tony Ramos, #3 Seed
Ed Ruth, #2 Seed
2013:
Derek St. John, #2 Seed
Quentin Wright, #2 Seed
No, they were on the same side, 1 and 4. I was mad because I wanted Sasso to get the 3 because I thought Lugo had a better shot going through AOC than Sasso.
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