Bo Bassett thread

[donboy6499]

I think what will eventually be the norm in college sports is a tiered NIL program. In coming Freshman offered x and then after each year an increase of x. If possible NCAA needs to allow a student athlete to transfer after his freshman year and every 2 years after that without limits.A grad student would be allowed an additional transfer also . That technically allows a STUDENT athlete 3 transfers and opportunities to improve his NIL situation. The NCAA is already adapting the red shirt rules. I think eventually 5 years will become the allowable participation of a sport. Obviously the upper end football/basketball player would have the professional option.

Re: transfers, every court case is going the other way: providing more freedom, not less.

I would anticipate this to continue until and unless schools make the athletes employees. The next two hurdles I’m expecting to fall (if the past is any prologue):

Elimination of the transfer portal. Transfer any time, speak freely with any other staff, subject only to admissions deadlines for the physical transfer.

Elimination of year limits for college athletics at all, with your career length decided by your willingness to stay in school and the school’s willingness to keep you.

 

[baccafarmer]

When you see how poorly most charities are run or how much actually gets to those in need, you get why folk dump money into sports. If you dig you can find many that really get the help to those in need but many do the minimum.

I’ve read two books that revealed that football bowl games (ostensibly run as charities) only pass a tiny fraction of proceeds along those in need. It’s a confidence game and what we will see with NIL will be no different.

 

[ChillW]

Re: transfers, every court case is going the other way: providing more freedom, not less.

I would anticipate this to continue until and unless schools make the athletes employees. The next two hurdles I’m expecting to fall (if the past is any prologue):

Elimination of the transfer portal. Transfer any time, speak freely with any other staff, subject only to admissions deadlines for the physical transfer.

Elimination of year limits for college athletics at all, with your career length decided by your willingness to stay in school and the school’s willingness to keep you.

I fear that you are mostly correct, and it's the death of the student athlete as we know it.

The portal or something like it will remain, but just as a way to publicize availability. The deadlines and restrictions likely fall away. If the limit on years of eligibility go away, then all pretense is removed and for all intents and purposes it's truly professional sports at the college level. Why even bother to require enrollment at a school at that point?

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

They'll be signing contracts soon enough, which removes the ability to transfer willy nilly. It's the next step. It's in the schools' best interests at this point to have the individual bear some responsibility of their movement.

 

[ChillW]

They'll be signing contracts soon enough, which removes the ability to transfer willy nilly. It's the next step. It's in the schools' best interests at this point to have the individual bear some responsibility of their movement.

They would first have to be deemed employees, and likely enter into collective bargaining, for that to be legal. That or federal legislation.

It's going to be a messy few years.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Publicity is mayhem, he did cause it, he wanted it, he got it.

I like the no news is good news better myself not all people think the same.

It is OK to be wrong.

 

[FatWoodchuck]

It is OK to be wrong.

You are 100% correct.

 

[Pennstate1985]

They would first have to be deemed employees, and likely enter into collective bargaining, for that to be legal. That or federal legislation.

It's going to be a messy few years.

Why would they have to be employees? A noncompete agreement can be added to any contract.

 

[Hotshoe]

Mayhem? We have mayhem over a recruit on social media? What mayhem has Bo brought? Please explain....

 

[dpd926]

My $2 bet is the McCort 3 to Stillwater and Jax to Happy Valley. Although Jax doesn’t have his dad’s height, he is long. Blaze and Jax can man 41/49 but not sure who goes at which weight.

 

[PAgeologist]

Mayhem? We have mayhem over a recruit on social media? What mayhem has Bo brought? Please explain....

We're doomed.

 

[El-Jefe]

My $2 bet is the McCort 3 to Stillwater and Jax to Happy Valley. Although Jax doesn’t have his dad’s height, he is long. Blaze and Jax can man 41/49 but not sure who goes at which weight.

Who are the "McCort 3" if Jax isn't one of them?

 

[Nitlion1986]

Mayhem? We have mayhem over a recruit on social media? What mayhem has Bo brought? Please explain....

None. But that is tough to grasp for a few.

 

[dpd926]

Who are the "McCort 3" if Jax isn't one of them?

Bo, Melvin, and Keegan

 

[ChillW]

Why would they have to be employees? A noncompete agreement can be added to any contract.

Noncompetes are not easy to enforce even in an employment context. There is no way that courts would allow them in the context of student athletes. Otherwise, they'd still have limitations on transfers and eligibility the were in place until the last couple years.

 

[Folkstylefan]

Most say ncaa was bad to much power athletes need compensation so forth, now we have this sh’t show and people are upset. NCAA is sitting back luaghing.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Most say ncaa was bad to much power athletes need compensation so forth, now we have this sh’t show and people are upset. NCAA is sitting back luaghing.

The only people who are upset are those who believe kids should be happy to be indentured while a handful of adults make a gazillion dollars off the kids' collective efforts.

 

[donboy6499]

Why would they have to be employees? A noncompete agreement can be added to any contract.

Why would an athlete sign that?

 

[Pennstate1985]

Why would an athlete sign that?

That wasn't the point.

 

[donboy6499]

That wasn't the point.

Not being intentionally stupid here, but what was the point then?

I feel like all of that idea centers around having a non compete.

 

[PSU Mike]

The only people who are upset are those who believe kids should be happy to be indentured while a handful of adults make a gazillion dollars off the kids' collective efforts.

Let’s get just a little deeper here. There are three things that have been disruptive: the courts ruling that kids can’t be limited in monetizing what they bring to sports, the NCAA realizing that it’d lose in the courts relative to restricting athlete movement, and related to the monetization — athletes being able to monetize fans’ “consumer surplus” (the amount people are willing to spend over what they have to pay for the “joy” of having your team win, beyond the value of attending or watching media, both of which are already monetized). To me the last one is so interesting because we know the brands (schools) themselves won’t be far behind in trying to get their shares of that pie as well.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Not being intentionally stupid here, but what was the point then?

I feel like all of that idea centers around having a non compete.

See post 1965. I was answering that post.

 

[WEAREPSU_LI]

They would first have to be deemed employees, and likely enter into collective bargaining, for that to be legal. That or federal legislation.

It's going to be a messy few years.

Totally. That's what I think happens. Too much money is being thrown about.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Totally. That's what I think happens. Too much money is being thrown about.

Words spoken by only those who ain't getting any of it thrown their way.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Words spoken by only those who ain't getting any of it thrown their way.

Truer words never spoken. NIL has become mythic in size and scope.

 

[tullfan68]

They'll be signing contracts soon enough, which removes the ability to transfer willy nilly. It's the next step. It's in the schools' best interests at this point to have the individual bear some responsibility of their movement.

LOL contacts never stopped coaches from moving!

 

[tullfan68]

contracts

 

[Folkstylefan]

Seems like everyone is off the Bassett train here. Hope Cael isn’t giving up.

 

[El-Jefe]

Seems like everyone is off the Bassett train here. Hope Cael isn’t giving up.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

There's the usual NIL complaints and typical Penn State Pessimism, but no more than in the past 3 months and no reason to think it's widespread.

Besides, when has Cael ever cared about the fans' opinions of recruits?

 

[bapsu_1]

Nothing could be further from the truth.

There's the usual NIL complaints and typical Penn State Pessimism, but no more than in the past 3 months and no reason to think it's widespread.

Besides, when has Cael ever cared about the fans' opinions of recruits

Seems like everyone is off the Bassett train here. Hope Cael isn’t giving up.

After watching their match with Sem last night, I was even more impressed with Melvin Miller. Probably doesn't matter if they're a 'package' deal, but very impressed with him (only as sophmore?)

 

[BrockBronson]

Cael is a master. He will let the others do their thing and then go & sign him.

For Bo I would think there is only five real players left, especially if he wants to wrestle internationally.
PSU, OkState, Iowa, OHState and Michigan

So realistically it’s either PSU or OK State. A friend said they heard Taylor was at both the Mcort duals this week and sure pressing Bo and Jax. Both seem like smart kids, they will make the right decisions & both be lions

 

[HikeNatParks]

PSU benefits Bo more than he benefits us. The room and guidance alone trumps any other “technique improvement” expectation he might have at another school. If he figures that out and doesn’t let a fatter NIL bag tilt the scale, I expect he goes blue. If not, I bet he’s dodging twisters out in Cowboy country. For some reason, I doubt Iowa has any chance.

 

[Random4598375]

Cael is a master. He will let the others do their thing and then go & sign him.

For Bo I would think there is only five real players left, especially if he wants to wrestle internationally.
PSU, OkState, Iowa, OHState and Michigan

So realistically it’s either PSU or OK State. A friend said they heard Taylor was at both the Mcort duals this week and sure pressing Bo and Jax. Both seem like smart kids, they will make the right decisions & both be lions

I also feel like PSU and Ok St have to be the top favorites at this point (and Bo/Jax may just be waiting until further in the season to see what kind of impact DT has right away before committing there), so for sure DT has to be all-in on these kids to try to build their program up to PSU's level. The Iowa-Ok St dual this season is going to be fireworks. DT needs his team to make a statement and put them in front of Iowa, tOSU, Michigan, Cornell, etc in the pecking order for these "elite of the elite" recruits.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Re: transfers, every court case is going the other way: providing more freedom, not less.

I would anticipate this to continue until and unless schools make the athletes employees. The next two hurdles I’m expecting to fall (if the past is any prologue):

Elimination of the transfer portal. Transfer any time, speak freely with any other staff, subject only to admissions deadlines for the physical transfer.

Elimination of year limits for college athletics at all, with your career length decided by your willingness to stay in school and the school’s willingness to keep you.

None of that works without contracts which to your point means the players will be employees sooner rather than later.

 

[Nitlion1986]

PSU benefits Bo more than he benefits us. The room and guidance alone trumps any other “technique improvement” expectation he might have at another school. If he figures that out and doesn’t let a fatter NIL bag tilt the scale, I expect he goes blue. If not, I bet he’s dodging twisters out in Cowboy country. For some reason, I doubt Iowa has any chance.

Iowa's chances are better than the chance Cael offers me a job as his chief recruiter, but the separation is micro-miniscule.

 

[82bordeaux]

I also feel like PSU and Ok St have to be the top favorites at this point (and Bo/Jax may just be waiting until further in the season to see what kind of impact DT has right away before committing there), so for sure DT has to be all-in on these kids to try to build their program up to PSU's level. The Iowa-Ok St dual this season is going to be fireworks. DT needs his team to make a statement and put them in front of Iowa, tOSU, Michigan, Cornell, etc in the pecking order for these "elite of the elite" recruits.

PSU and OkSt are the front runners because they are not selling $. PSU is selling results and DT is selling DT. The others don't have anything to sell but NIL.

 

[AgSurfer]

PSU and OkSt are the front runners because they are not selling $. PSU is selling results and DT is selling DT. The others don't have anything to sell but NIL.

Not true. TnT are still selling the opportunity for some recruit to become Iowa's FIRST 4X NCAA champion. 😈

 

[82bordeaux]

Not true. TnT are still selling the opportunity for some recruit to become Iowa's FIRST 4X NCAA champion. 😈

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[Pitchfork Rebel]

Cael is a master. He will let the others do their thing and then go & sign him.

For Bo I would think there is only five real players left, especially if he wants to wrestle internationally.
PSU, OkState, Iowa, OHState and Michigan

So realistically it’s either PSU or OK State. A friend said they heard Taylor was at both the Mcort duals this week and sure pressing Bo and Jax. Both seem like smart kids, they will make the right decisions & both be lions

So what you're saying is that Cael and his assistants are in the room coaching the athletes that have committed and will be taking the mat this weekend, while DT and his assistant are leaving their team in good hands while they concentrate on attracting potential commitments before they also take the mat this weekend?

 

[Random4598375]

PSU and OkSt are the front runners because they are not selling $. PSU is selling results and DT is selling DT. The others don't have anything to sell but NIL.

$$$ is not going to be Bo's motivating factor at all, at least not in terms of who has the biggest bag, because he has his own social media brand that can make him a hell of a lot more than any school will pay him for wrestling. For him, the money aspect is what school will enable him to maximize the value of his own brand, not the bottom line dollars on the NIL.