Franklin's on that list because people are undervaluing him because of Barkley. If we succeed this year then his stock will go way up. He's already considered one of the best recruiters. If he keeps winning he'll get more respect for what he does on the field
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And Moorhead. Before JM arrived, our offense was putrid. If the team continues to thrive with RR at the reigns, JF will get more credit.
As long as JF continues to bring in great assistant coaches, he'll be successful but also considered overrated. It's bizarre how the Saban tree has grown other successful head coaches because Saban is a great coach. But Franklin is only successful because his assistants are already great when the join his staff.
Well, CJF has a short window with PSU as comparison. In addition, CJF's real success coincides with his firing of Donavan and hiring of JoeMo. Was it JoeMo or CJF? To me, this all goes back to CJF who a) fired a long-time friend and assistant and b) hired a guy who was largely unproven at this level. Manu were against the hiring.
Personally, I have no complaints with CJF at all. And at PSU, for our program, can't think of a better coach. I love his tone and demeanor. I love how he looks out for the kids. I love his student-first messaging. I love the wins, the defense, the offense.....
From a media perspective, if we win this year, without JoeMo, the "PSU's success is JoeMo" crutch goes away. The "Mo" is still here..perhaps not "JoeMo" but momentum. In the meantime, lots of great recruiting and talent coming down the pike. I don't know what our record will be, we've already lost a lot of talent to injuries and Tommy Stevens being in a boot (again) isn't great news. But if we can have 3 or less losses with all of them being competitive (three against the likes of OSU, Sparty, UM, and/or Wiscy), that's a a pretty decent year with the talent we lost last season.
This backs up my point. When JoeMo was hired, people were critical of Franklin saying he couldn't get a high end OC. Two years later, people are critical of Franklin and give all the credit to JoeMo. Which is it?
If Franklin continues to win more than 75% of the time, and he continues to recruit and coach outstanding STUDENT athletes, he can stay on as long as he wants in my opinion. I'd love to see PSU in the playoff, but that's not my top priority. Success with Honor!!!
totally agree. Assuming we do well this year, next year it will be "can he do it without McSorely?" But if we do well this and next, by the time Clifford is behind center, there won't be much to argue about.
I'm having difficulty getting past this anonymous coach classifying the #2 pick in the NFL draft an "underrated" football player. Clearly, he blows when it comes to evaluating talent. And given Franklin's proven track record as a head coach, we can safely conclude the same applies to his ability to evaluate his peers.
Back to the infamous poll for a minute. Was it a one question poll, a two-question poll, thee or more question poll? I don't know but I do know you can set up a poll to gain a predetermined desired result and that may have occurred in this case.
Look at what is happening. Clickbait, controversy, accusations of racism, prejudice, jealousy, etc. All generated by a silly poll - that very quickly sent us scurrying down various different roads as potentially designed. Just a thought, it happens more often then many people think because we jump to the conclusion they desire and forget we are being led by the nose in those directions for various purposes from gags to money to nefarious dealings.
Look at what is happening. Clickbait, controversy, accusations of racism, prejudice, jealousy, etc. All generated by a silly poll - that very quickly sent us scurrying down various different roads as potentially designed. Just a thought, it happens more often then many people think because we jump to the conclusion they desire and forget we are being led by the nose in those directions for various purposes from gags to money to nefarious dealings.
Just know that the angry, bitter, anonymous coach in question was Pat Narduzzi... and it all makes sense.
mcgunns, I agree with your "lucky" statement. Ohio State blocked a PSU FG attempt that was kicked low, was aided in a bad snap on a PSU punt for a safety, recovered a botched punt return fumble inside PSUs 30, OSU recovered 4 of their own fumbles on the day and was aided by Mike Gesicki ankle injury for 3.5 quarters. You are completely right, Ohio State was lucky to be in that game!
They were also very lucky Marcus Allen didn't blocked that first FG attempt. One could easily say OSU lucked into 8 points, PSU was unlucky or easily could have scored more than 24 more points... you know with some "luck" in that game. Thanks for pointing this out!
They were also very lucky Marcus Allen didn't blocked that first FG attempt. One could easily say OSU lucked into 8 points, PSU was unlucky or easily could have scored more than 24 more points... you know with some "luck" in that game. Thanks for pointing this out!
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I suspect that's why it's easy to say he's over-rated. He hasn't got the body of work of a Saban or Meyer but that's who he's now keeping company with. If ya gotta say something, it's easier to bet against the upstart who just lost a bunch of stars and coaches.
We shouldn't be as highly regarded as last year, when we fell short of expectations (God intervened at MSU). But if this year is 2016 all over again, that talk will end just like the hot seat talk did.
BTW: I didn't read the two pages of responses before typing. So if someone else already said the same thing, apologies for the dup.
I guess they're saying Moorhead deserves the credit, Barkley deserves the credit. But first of all that ignores who recruited Moorhead, who recruited Barkley, who recruited Charles Huff who and Dwight Galt who helped Barkley become the player he is. It also ignores what Franklin did at Vandy, which you could argue is even more amazing that what he's accomplished at PSU.
You could sort of argue that bringing Penn State out of sanctions was a good gig because Penn State could historically recruit well enough to be in the top tier of the B10. With just OK recruiting and coaching, Penn State was destined to be a top 25 program again. But not a top 10 or top 5 program. Plus, Franklin didn't just bring in great recruits like Barkley, he and his staff did a great job of developing players who were already on the roster from the sanction years. They took a kid who had no other Division 1 scholarship offers to play QB and made him into the Big Ten's best QB. They took three star after three star and made them into NFL players. Franklin gets (and deserves) a lot of credit for state of the art recruiting, but it's possible his record of player development is even more extraordinary.
Now can Franklin maintain the trajectory? Can they continue doing great development work and get good leadership and good team chemistry with a roster of 4 and 5 star players, with an atmosphere of sky-high expectations? Franklin's job doesn't get any easier.
You could sort of argue that bringing Penn State out of sanctions was a good gig because Penn State could historically recruit well enough to be in the top tier of the B10. With just OK recruiting and coaching, Penn State was destined to be a top 25 program again. But not a top 10 or top 5 program. Plus, Franklin didn't just bring in great recruits like Barkley, he and his staff did a great job of developing players who were already on the roster from the sanction years. They took a kid who had no other Division 1 scholarship offers to play QB and made him into the Big Ten's best QB. They took three star after three star and made them into NFL players. Franklin gets (and deserves) a lot of credit for state of the art recruiting, but it's possible his record of player development is even more extraordinary.
Now can Franklin maintain the trajectory? Can they continue doing great development work and get good leadership and good team chemistry with a roster of 4 and 5 star players, with an atmosphere of sky-high expectations? Franklin's job doesn't get any easier.
Gee, I think I can guess who the coaches who named Franklin and Taggert most overrated, voted for in 2016. What time is the cross burning?
It will always be something...haters gonna hate (and some of them are on this board). It seems only PSU can’t replace players they lose...we couldn’t replace Godwin, we couldn’t replace Hack, now we can’t replace Barkley or Gesicki. Every other team that has top recruiting doesn’t face this (Clemson lost a four year starter at QB and was still picked to make the CFP and did make it) but Penn State loses one or two players and the following season is over.
Anonymous coaches vote CJF "#2 most overrated coach in CFB"
ESPN went nuts - said that he is arguably one of the most UNDERRATED coaches in CFB and that some coaches just have an ax to grind and a personal vendetta when able to vote anonymously.
I thought it was hilarious that he made that list - NO way is he one of the most overrated coaches in the nation.
#1 was FSU's coach, #3 was Kirk Ferentz (I agree with that one)
ESPN went nuts - said that he is arguably one of the most UNDERRATED coaches in CFB and that some coaches just have an ax to grind and a personal vendetta when able to vote anonymously.
I thought it was hilarious that he made that list - NO way is he one of the most overrated coaches in the nation.
#1 was FSU's coach, #3 was Kirk Ferentz (I agree with that one)
What has he done....win close games at home with a water drenched field?... and sometimes not....like last year.
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