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That's a BS source. Just a brief glance shows that while they say "They found the reinfection rate to be just 0.27%", I easily found "In California, for example, the 1,615 hospitalizations of people with breakthrough infections as of Aug. 8 represents just 0.007 percent of nearly 22 million fully immunized residents". One asks why they didn't show data like that.

One also asks why you didn't address anything else in my response.
Is this a more acceptable source?

Also assume from the same source you cited because it has that California stat...At least one in five breakthrough infections are from fully vaccinated people.

.007 percent of vaccinated hospitalized is meaningless unless they also have a stat for number of non vaccinated with infection as percentage of population and percentage of previously infected and recovered [like the Israeli study did]. Again I am not anti Vaccine. I don’t think Bill Gates put a micro chip in it to track me, I dont think it will make me magnetic. I do think the vaccine does have some real risks (albeit rare) including blood clots in otherwise healthy people. I just think people need to weigh the risk vs.reward based on their own medical circumstance. If you argue my choice affects others lives, welcome to the conservative abortion argument. Mandating it for 20 something year kids with very low risk of serious illness is just stupid.



 
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Is this a more acceptable source?

Also assume from the same source you cited because it has that California stat...At least one in five breakthrough infections are from fully vaccinated people.

.007 percent of vaccinated hospitalized is meaningless unless they also have a stat for number of non vaccinated with infection as percentage of population and percentage of previously infected and recovered [like the Israeli study did]. Again I am not anti Vaccine. I don’t think Bill Gates put a micro chip in it to track me, I dont think it will make me magnetic. I do think the vaccine does have some real risks (albeit rare) including blood clots in otherwise healthy people. I just think people need to weigh the risk vs.reward based on their own medical circumstance. If you argue my choice affects others lives, welcome to the conservative abortion argument. Mandating it for 20 something year kids with very low risk of serious illness is just stupid.



Actually, no, it isn't an acceptable source. Dr. Makary is an oncologist and a surgeon. He's not an epidemiologist or a virologist or even a statistician.

The risk of blood clots from the vaccine is much smaller than the risk of blood clots from the infection, by the way.

Did you even read the second article you linked? The one that says

At least 1 in every 5 new COVID-19 cases in six of these states have involved vaccinated people, with higher percentages of hospitalizations and deaths among these folks than had previously been seen in all seven states, The New York Times reported.

Still, the absolute numbers of vaccinated people made sick by COVID-19 remains very low, experts said, and the vaccines are still very potent weapons against severe disease.

If breakthrough infections are becoming more common, "it's also going to demonstrate how well these vaccines are working and that they're preventing hospitalization and death, which is really what we asked our vaccines to do," said Anne Rimoin, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, told the Times.
 
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....The delta variant has thrown us a ginormous curve ball.....

Then there is Lambda and it's even worse. Viruses mutate, its what they do.

In short order the dialog will focus on a requirement for a 3rd injection booster. Those MRNa vaccines must really be effective!

Eventually there will be a redesigned booster annually going forward as sure as I am sitting here. Then what will happen regarding vaccine passports? They will have a 6-12 month lifespan only to expire.

"Your papers please" may become the norm and most of the sheep will applaud each incremental change. Don't be selfish its what we need to protect the 0.3%, 90% of whom have co-morbitities.

I am in a risk category and I am vaccinated. I made that choice personally without being pressured into it, and I have zero issue with the person sitting next to me in a theater, or restaraunt or airplane deciding for himself not to be vaccinated. Freedom was once one of the most important values in America.
 
Then there is Lambda and it's even worse. Viruses mutate, its what they do.

In short order the dialog will focus on a requirement for a 3rd injection booster. Those MRNa vaccines must really be effective!

Eventually there will be a redesigned booster annually going forward as sure as I am sitting here. Then what will happen regarding vaccine passports? They will have a 6-12 month lifespan only to expire.

"Your papers please" may become the norm and most of the sheep will applaud each incremental change. Don't be selfish its what we need to protect the 0.3%, 90% of whom have co-morbitities.

I am in a risk category and I am vaccinated. I made that choice personally without being pressured into it, and I have zero issue with the person sitting next to me in a theater, or restaraunt or airplane deciding for himself not to be vaccinated. Freedom was once one of the most important values in America.
So a leper walks into a bar and the bartender says " I know he's going to leave a tip". That is a joke. In reality he would be gone before he reached the bar. So a guy with measles or mumps or smallpox sits down next to your kids and immuno-compromised mother? Freedom? Freedom for scores of kids to attend school .....your school.....without any of the mandated vaccines? Freedom for young children infected with Covid-19 to attend school and infect others? ( It has already happened ). Yeah....I thought so
 
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It helps when you are an island. An island unto itself...
Yes that certainly doesn't hurt........but they have a lot of boats and planes coming in and out. But aren't we kinda of an Island? We are isolated by water on both sides. Canada still won't let Americans just waltz in. And our southern border has that big wall that Mexico paid for :)
 
Is this a more acceptable source?

Also assume from the same source you cited because it has that California stat...At least one in five breakthrough infections are from fully vaccinated people.

.007 percent of vaccinated hospitalized is meaningless unless they also have a stat for number of non vaccinated with infection as percentage of population and percentage of previously infected and recovered [like the Israeli study did]. Again I am not anti Vaccine. I don’t think Bill Gates put a micro chip in it to track me, I dont think it will make me magnetic. I do think the vaccine does have some real risks (albeit rare) including blood clots in otherwise healthy people. I just think people need to weigh the risk vs.reward based on their own medical circumstance. If you argue my choice affects others lives, welcome to the conservative abortion argument. Mandating it for 20 something year kids with very low risk of serious illness is just stupid.



Never don’t stop digging that hole! :) #doubledown #almostout

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Then there is Lambda and it's even worse. Viruses mutate, its what they do.

In short order the dialog will focus on a requirement for a 3rd injection booster. Those MRNa vaccines must really be effective!

Eventually there will be a redesigned booster annually going forward as sure as I am sitting here. Then what will happen regarding vaccine passports? They will have a 6-12 month lifespan only to expire.

"Your papers please" may become the norm and most of the sheep will applaud each incremental change. Don't be selfish its what we need to protect the 0.3%, 90% of whom have co-morbitities.

I am in a risk category and I am vaccinated. I made that choice personally without being pressured into it, and I have zero issue with the person sitting next to me in a theater, or restaraunt or airplane deciding for himself not to be vaccinated. Freedom was once one of the most important values in America.
This is a reality that I think eventually we are going to have to face. Our natural immune system is the only thing that is going to help us in the long run. If every variant is "worse" and the previous vaccine only protects you from the exact variant you got vaccinated for, then it is only a matter of time before we are all infected with one variant or another. It is scary to say that only the strong or lucky or predestined or whatever you want to call them, will survive - but it may be the case.

I personally am in the category of let the young kids get it and develop their natural immiunity. The Covid 19 barely had an impact on them. If it would make them safe from the variants for the rest of their life, it seems like a good idea to allow it to spread among them.

How do you protect the vulnerable during that time - good question.

As far as New Zealand getting an "A" for their handling of the virus - well let's see how it all plays out. When the variants have come and go, then we will know better.
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
Goggles, I am hoping she is able to bring her hips to the party and get well quickly! Strongest possible best wishes to her and you! 💪
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
Prayers for you and your wife.
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
Prayers!!
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
Done! Keep us posted. Best Wishes
 
Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
Sending the same payers that helped @CowboyUp61 's son get off the mat. Hopefully your wife is in better shape soon. We are indeed all brothers in the end.
 
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Mates. I know I rub many the wrong way but we are all brothers in the end, and I could use a little help right now.

I had to rush my wife and soul mate to the hospital in extreme abdominal pain, nearly unconscious. It will be hours before we know anything but those of you with faith or not I would welcome your prayers right now!
goggles, we may not see eye to eye, ;) but you are right, brothers to the end! Prayers headed her (andyour) way!
 
Update my friends.

CT revealed a kidney stone. We are very relieved as the alternatives were all worse. Pain is still way too high so she will be staying in the hospital for at least another day. It could take days to weeks to pass. Thank you all for you kind thoughts and prayers!!!
 
Update my friends.

CT revealed a kidney stone. We are very relieved as the alternatives were all worse. Pain is still way too high so she will be staying in the hospital for at least another day. It could take days to weeks to pass. Thank you all for you kind thoughts and prayers!!!
Great to hear!
 
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Update my friends.

CT revealed a kidney stone. We are very relieved as the alternatives were all worse. Pain is still way too high so she will be staying in the hospital for at least another day. It could take days to weeks to pass. Thank you all for you kind thoughts and prayers!!!
I don't wish that on anyone.

I had one on February 2, 2018, beginning about 11:00 PM. Recognize the date? Yep, the day before The Dual of the Century. At one point, as I was writhing around in pain, MrsPA turns to the nurse and said, "You have to make him better. We have tickets to the Penn State Ohio State wrestling match, and we can't miss that." I love a woman who has her priorities straight.

I hope MrsPaisano passes the stone as quickly and painlessly as possible.
 
This is a reality that I think eventually we are going to have to face. Our natural immune system is the only thing that is going to help us in the long run. If every variant is "worse" and the previous vaccine only protects you from the exact variant you got vaccinated for, then it is only a matter of time before we are all infected with one variant or another. It is scary to say that only the strong or lucky or predestined or whatever you want to call them, will survive - but it may be the case.

I personally am in the category of let the young kids get it and develop their natural immiunity. The Covid 19 barely had an impact on them. If it would make them safe from the variants for the rest of their life, it seems like a good idea to allow it to spread among them.

How do you protect the vulnerable during that time - good question.

As far as New Zealand getting an "A" for their handling of the virus - well let's see how it all plays out. When the variants have come and go, then we will know better.
Most will get this! 😂😂

ABBOTT AND COSTELLO’S ‘WHO’S BEEN VACCINATED?’

Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.
 
Most will get this! 😂😂

ABBOTT AND COSTELLO’S ‘WHO’S BEEN VACCINATED?’

Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.
You could have received your first shot and been in line for your 2nd in the time it took you to write this. Also would have been time better spent..........because you can then get in the restaurant without holding up the line all night pontificating nonsense :)
 
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I took Ivermectin about 2 weeks ago. I had a slight reaction to my 2nd Vac shot. I thought it would just go away. 6 weeks later went into my Dr. My Dr. put me on Ivermectin (5 pills - 1 a day). in 7 days what I had was gone.
Dang, Ivermectin even cures covid vaccine side effects? It must really be a miracle!

I’m hopeful Ivermectin might do something for covid but from what I’ve seen there doesn’t seem to be good evidence that it does. Weird how many of the people wanting more data on masks before recommending them are also gung ho on Ivermectin. I‘m of the opinion that it probably doesn’t hurt (similar to masks and at least you don’t ingest masks) but many people are pushing it instead of the vaccine which is crazy.
 
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Johns Hopkins has a Covid risk calculator, my risk of dying from Covid in the next 30 days is 1 in 232,000. Does that seem like a high risk? Annualized that is about 1 in 19,000. Your annual risk of dying in a car accident is 1 in 8,000. Too many people forgot that the government marketed the Covid vaccine as a way to prevent you from getting Covid and transmitting Covid to others. Too many people ignored the actual fine print, the vaccine is not actually a vaccine since it does not actually prevent you from getting Covid or giving it to others. Apparently it is actually a therapy that will reduce your symptoms. That is what is playing out now, numerous break through cases occuring in people who got the Covid shot. This is getting worse along with an increase in hospitalizations, ICU and death for the vaccinated if you look at data from Israel.

Regarding masks, they do not work. Please provide the study using a randomized control trial that demonstrates a benefit of wearing a mask and preventing transmission of a respiratory virus. Here is a RCT study that shows no benefit that is published on the NIH website:


There are about 10 to 15 other studies going back 50 years that also demonstate no benefit to wearing a mask. There are ZERO RCT studies that demonstrate a benefit to wearing a mask. Studies using computer simulations, manequins or anecdotes do not count.

I will not get the Covid shot since I am at little risk. I also take a daily prophylaxis too and make sure I am not obese or vitamin D deficient (these are 2 huge risk factors). To me, the risk of the Covid shot outwears the reward. Currently there are over 12,000 deaths associated with the Covid shot in the VAERS database, this is more than all other vaccines combined over the last 30 years.

If you think the shot was the correct decision for you, good for you, may you live long and prosper, or not.

How old are you? Curious how you’re defining yourself as “at little risk.” Unless you’re under 30 and healthy I may disagree with that conclusion.

That mask study doesn’t say “masks have no benefit.” It says they “did not reduce infection by more than 50%”. But based on the confidence intervals they could reduce infection by up to 46% (but more like ~15% based on the 2.1 vs 1.8). Most people have never said masks are perfect especially cloth masks, but it doesnt take a randomized control trial to conclude that putting something over your face probably results in less stuff getting out or in. I can see the argument for why elementary school kids probably don’t need them in school, but I don’t get why it’s a big deal to wear one for 20 minutes in Walmart.

The Israeli data shows that the vaccines are working. Maybe not 100% effective against hospitalization as some claimed (mostly due to Delta), but still pretty dang good (~80-95%+ effective at preventing severe disease). Some good analysis here - https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

Edit: And even though you “can” still get infected despite being vaccinated, that doesn’t mean that it’s not also preventing infections as well although admittedly that number seems harder to pinpoint. One other thing to keep in mind though is there is likely a higher % of unvaccinated people that were previously infected which would also be bringing down the efficacy estimates.
 
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Time to say it: We’re done with the vaccine refusers​


On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for the coronavirus, and approvals for the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines could follow soon. This could be a significant step in convincing the millions of unvaccinated Americans to finally get vaccinated, even if it doesn’t quickly transform the state of the pandemic.

It’s also an opportunity for us to say to the hard-core vaccine refusers: We’re done with you.
We’ll treat you when you come to the hospital, of course, because that’s how medicine works; while doctors and nurses dealing with the wave of covid-19 patients caused by the delta variant might like to turn away anyone who refused to take a vaccine, they won’t. But it’s time to refocus our outreach efforts and our public and private pandemic policies so that accommodating, understanding and pandering to the refusers is no longer one of our chief concerns.

FDA approval will also probably convince more companies to begin demanding that their employees be vaccinated. All of this, we can hope, will create an atmosphere in which being unvaccinated by choice will mean voluntarily marginalizing oneself from society. If you’re determined to make that statement about yourself, that you’re the kind of person to whom “freedom” means taking the chance of infecting other people with a virus that has killed millions, we’re going to do everything we can to isolate you.

To those who say “mocking those people will never convince them to take the vaccine!”, let me suggest that it’s too late to persuade them. I’m not talking about the hesitant and the uncertain — they can be persuaded, and we need to redouble efforts to reach them. But when you see that in Mississippi — which like many states with low vaccination rates is now being ravaged by the delta variant — the state’s chief public health official felt compelled to make a public plea for people to stop drinking livestock dewormer, since a good number got the idea that it’s a treatment for covid, you have to ask if there’s anything at all that would persuade committed refusers.

Actually, we know how they got the dewormer idea: the supercharged rumor-spreading machine known as social media. Over the weekend, Facebook reluctantly admitted that “an article raising concerns that the coronavirus vaccine could lead to death was the top performing link in the United States on its platform from January through March of this year.”

In the shorter term, there is reason to believe that an accumulation of factors — FDA approval, the current wave of covid deaths, more businesses requiring vaccinations, perhaps even simple fatigue after living with this for a year and a half — could convince more and more of the vaccine hesitant to overcome their doubts.

But just as the virus itself will always be with us, so will the adamant refusers. They’ll be trying out insane new treatments, while the rest of us shake our heads at people who’d rather gargle with turpentine (or whatever the next Facebook remedy is) than get a free lifesaving vaccine. They’ll keep engaging in unhinged and violent public behavior (like assaulting teachers over mask policies), for which they should just be arrested. Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them; they deserve no more consideration than that.

They won’t disappear, but we can treat them like social pariahs. And if they don’t like it? They can go ahead and wallow in their fantasies of oppression and courageous independence. Nobody said “freedom” was free.

 

Time to say it: We’re done with the vaccine refusers​


On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for the coronavirus, and approvals for the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines could follow soon. This could be a significant step in convincing the millions of unvaccinated Americans to finally get vaccinated, even if it doesn’t quickly transform the state of the pandemic.

It’s also an opportunity for us to say to the hard-core vaccine refusers: We’re done with you.
We’ll treat you when you come to the hospital, of course, because that’s how medicine works; while doctors and nurses dealing with the wave of covid-19 patients caused by the delta variant might like to turn away anyone who refused to take a vaccine, they won’t. But it’s time to refocus our outreach efforts and our public and private pandemic policies so that accommodating, understanding and pandering to the refusers is no longer one of our chief concerns.

FDA approval will also probably convince more companies to begin demanding that their employees be vaccinated. All of this, we can hope, will create an atmosphere in which being unvaccinated by choice will mean voluntarily marginalizing oneself from society. If you’re determined to make that statement about yourself, that you’re the kind of person to whom “freedom” means taking the chance of infecting other people with a virus that has killed millions, we’re going to do everything we can to isolate you.

To those who say “mocking those people will never convince them to take the vaccine!”, let me suggest that it’s too late to persuade them. I’m not talking about the hesitant and the uncertain — they can be persuaded, and we need to redouble efforts to reach them. But when you see that in Mississippi — which like many states with low vaccination rates is now being ravaged by the delta variant — the state’s chief public health official felt compelled to make a public plea for people to stop drinking livestock dewormer, since a good number got the idea that it’s a treatment for covid, you have to ask if there’s anything at all that would persuade committed refusers.

Actually, we know how they got the dewormer idea: the supercharged rumor-spreading machine known as social media. Over the weekend, Facebook reluctantly admitted that “an article raising concerns that the coronavirus vaccine could lead to death was the top performing link in the United States on its platform from January through March of this year.”

In the shorter term, there is reason to believe that an accumulation of factors — FDA approval, the current wave of covid deaths, more businesses requiring vaccinations, perhaps even simple fatigue after living with this for a year and a half — could convince more and more of the vaccine hesitant to overcome their doubts.

But just as the virus itself will always be with us, so will the adamant refusers. They’ll be trying out insane new treatments, while the rest of us shake our heads at people who’d rather gargle with turpentine (or whatever the next Facebook remedy is) than get a free lifesaving vaccine. They’ll keep engaging in unhinged and violent public behavior (like assaulting teachers over mask policies), for which they should just be arrested. Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them; they deserve no more consideration than that.

They won’t disappear, but we can treat them like social pariahs. And if they don’t like it? They can go ahead and wallow in their fantasies of oppression and courageous independence. Nobody said “freedom” was free.

The "EUA" excuse was just that: an excuse. Very few people who claim that excuse actually understand the approval process, and will just move on to the next excuse in the chain. Nothing short of losing an unvaccinated family member will change these people's minds, and even that sometimes doesn't do it.

Who knew that the movie "Idiocracy" was a documentary?
 
Dang, Ivermectin even cures covid vaccine side effects? It must really be a miracle!

I’m hopeful Ivermectin might do something for covid but from what I’ve seen there doesn’t seem to be good evidence that it does. Weird how many of the people wanting more data on masks before recommending them are also gung ho on Ivermectin. I‘m of the opinion that it probably doesn’t hurt (similar to masks and at least you don’t ingest masks) but many people are pushing it instead of the vaccine which is crazy.
Dig deeper. There is a lot of info on Ivermectin and who/where it is being used for C-19.. Not re C-19, but Africa has been using Ivermectin for a long time for other diseases on humans.

Update: the Ivermectin I used was formulated by a Compounding Pharmacy. Are there different forms of Ivermectin? I do not know. But what ever I had was gone in 7 days.
 
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#1: Not good enough for me.....not taking it.
#2: Great News.....it now has full FDA approval after prolonged studies
#1: Still a firm no from me. The Governor of Florida is recommending some drug that one of his biggest donors has invested in. Then again.....I am hearing great things about this Ivermectin...... I think I'll go with that drug.
#2: Are you kidding.....it has NO FDA approval
#1: How wrong you are! Shows how much you know......It does have FDA approval
#2: Yes......for use as a De-wormer for horses and cows.
#1: So.......what is your point??
 
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The Governor of Florida is recommending some drug that one of his biggest donors has invested in.
I'm an owner of Regeneron too. They are a money machine. They make over $50/share, have over 85% gross margins and 50% net margins. What's not to love? And their price/earning multiple is only 14, and they are growing at 15-20%/year.
Plus their monoclonal antibody treatment for covid-19 is very effective.
The only difference is I don't donate money to any political campaign. I only donate to the NLWC and PSWC!

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I'm an owner of Regeneron too. They are a money machine. They make over $50/share, have over 85% gross margins and 50% net margins. What's not to love? And their price/earning multiple is only 14, and they are growing at 15-20%/year.
Plus their monoclonal antibody treatment for covid-19 is very effective.
The only difference is I don't donate money to any political campaign. I only donate to the NLWC and PSWC!

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Good for you. I have no problem with you or anyone else like you promoting a product. I would feel differently if you were a powerful politician.....say Governor of a large state that breaks records almost daily for Covid-19 numbers and hospitalization from Covid.....especially among children. If said person passed laws preventing people from following CDC guidelines while at the same time.....promoting a specific treatment that just happens to be from a company in which one of your biggest donor happens to be a major investor. That is what I have a problem with. You make as much as you can sir....drinks are on you :)
 
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Lets not forget who the major donors are to places like the WHO and CDC and other agencies and hospitals and research centers that are recommending vaccinations. The biggest problem we have is that some people say "if the gov't or a gov't agency says something is true" - then it has to be true. Meanwhile, others do not believe anything the gov't or a gov't agency says. So it is easy to see how silly these arguments can be.

Desantis may be promoting something that a big donor of his has a strong interest in, but if you think Gates and Fauci and other heads of state are just coincidentally together in pictures, then you are gullible. All these people know each other. The heads of state and the heads of Big Pharma and the researchers and the mega billionaires with the money backing them. They know each other and have relatives working together.

I am amazed that the fastest vaccine approval ever was the Pfizer vaccine while it has been the subject of much criticism and no real scientific long term studies. Something does not smell right about this.

There is a lot of close mindedness in this discussions and for me, I have to take my personal experience and compare it to the different dialogues out there. I do not trust the gov't or gov't agencies or the press or research centers of any sort.

So I listen to both sides and compare it to my personal experience. I couple that with the all out attempts to eliminate dissenting opinions (which is completely against the tenets of science) through censorship or deplatforming and I take my stance.

I am open to changing my views, but not because someone tells me the gov't says I should.
 

Time to say it: We’re done with the vaccine refusers​


On Monday, the Food and Drug Administration granted full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for the coronavirus, and approvals for the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines could follow soon. This could be a significant step in convincing the millions of unvaccinated Americans to finally get vaccinated, even if it doesn’t quickly transform the state of the pandemic.

It’s also an opportunity for us to say to the hard-core vaccine refusers: We’re done with you.
We’ll treat you when you come to the hospital, of course, because that’s how medicine works; while doctors and nurses dealing with the wave of covid-19 patients caused by the delta variant might like to turn away anyone who refused to take a vaccine, they won’t. But it’s time to refocus our outreach efforts and our public and private pandemic policies so that accommodating, understanding and pandering to the refusers is no longer one of our chief concerns.

FDA approval will also probably convince more companies to begin demanding that their employees be vaccinated. All of this, we can hope, will create an atmosphere in which being unvaccinated by choice will mean voluntarily marginalizing oneself from society. If you’re determined to make that statement about yourself, that you’re the kind of person to whom “freedom” means taking the chance of infecting other people with a virus that has killed millions, we’re going to do everything we can to isolate you.

To those who say “mocking those people will never convince them to take the vaccine!”, let me suggest that it’s too late to persuade them. I’m not talking about the hesitant and the uncertain — they can be persuaded, and we need to redouble efforts to reach them. But when you see that in Mississippi — which like many states with low vaccination rates is now being ravaged by the delta variant — the state’s chief public health official felt compelled to make a public plea for people to stop drinking livestock dewormer, since a good number got the idea that it’s a treatment for covid, you have to ask if there’s anything at all that would persuade committed refusers.

Actually, we know how they got the dewormer idea: the supercharged rumor-spreading machine known as social media. Over the weekend, Facebook reluctantly admitted that “an article raising concerns that the coronavirus vaccine could lead to death was the top performing link in the United States on its platform from January through March of this year.”

In the shorter term, there is reason to believe that an accumulation of factors — FDA approval, the current wave of covid deaths, more businesses requiring vaccinations, perhaps even simple fatigue after living with this for a year and a half — could convince more and more of the vaccine hesitant to overcome their doubts.

But just as the virus itself will always be with us, so will the adamant refusers. They’ll be trying out insane new treatments, while the rest of us shake our heads at people who’d rather gargle with turpentine (or whatever the next Facebook remedy is) than get a free lifesaving vaccine. They’ll keep engaging in unhinged and violent public behavior (like assaulting teachers over mask policies), for which they should just be arrested. Our only concern should be keeping ourselves safe from them; they deserve no more consideration than that.

They won’t disappear, but we can treat them like social pariahs. And if they don’t like it? They can go ahead and wallow in their fantasies of oppression and courageous independence. Nobody said “freedom” was free.

I’m a big proponent of this plan. We should treat the idiots like idiots. One can only hope this gives more companies momentum to require the vaccines for their employees.
 
You could have received your first shot and been in line for your 2nd in the time it took you to write this. Also would have been time better spent..........because you can then get in the restaurant without holding up the line all night pontificating nonsense :)
I guess you didn’t get it
 
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