Yeah, that's what the footnote indicated. Are they a branch campus type thing for OK St? Just is interesting to me that he's so all-in without any direct ties.
David Taylor to Oklahoma State & related news
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No. Think it’s more of an “everybody gravitates to the big school” type deal. Plenty of Penn State fans that never went to Penn State.
I don't come at it from a "good of the sport" perspective. I come at it from a "I enjoy the season more when there's a little uncertainty" perspective.
It's not noble, it's purely selfish.
It's not really the same situation considering Iowa was armed with a pair of pea shooters, while we still have Dirty Harry's .44 Magnum.
DT will be great at OK State and may win a title or two in the coming years. We can't win them all. But I'd still wouldn't trade our situation for theirs until Cael and Co. exit. Then all bets are off.
If Cael time warped and took over PSU in the mid late 80s, do you think he would have won 10 out of the next 12? I don't. It would have taken some more time.
Dynasties are also a matter of timing.
I get that--and if he just had season tickets and gave a check every year, it'd be one thing-but his level of giving is uncommon for even alumni. That's all. Maybe it's all based on PSU hate, lol.
Nor should he be. Yianni is moving up. He bet who I though was "next" (Alirez)
It IS uncommon.
But John could have had this money years ago. Just refused to change how he would run the program.
I am probably naive, but I look at Penn State's advantages as systemic in a way that can't be arbitraged away unless the school (and donor base) decides to do so.
What do I mean by this? I mean that if every school put forth their best effort to have the best wrestling program possible, Penn State's will be the best program. This is due mainly (but not limited to) geography and financial commitment.
Penn State's ceiling and floor are higher than any other school and probably always has been. It explains why Cael was in such a hurry to get there in the first place.
Good idea. I'll shoot him a text.
I was wondering if Nerf was going to interview Cael on his thoughts. The other thing is, should the prized student be making more money than his teacher? Cael and our staff should be the highest paid college wrestling coaches in the country.
I have thought about hanging around Lorenzo to try and catch him--or shooting an email--but nothing official will be set up again by Penn State until October/November.
It was inevitable that this was going to happen. Gable protegees wound up coaching at dozens of schools and none of them had the success he had. I think Taylor is a great coaching prospect, but he has a lot to prove. He could wind up successful and winning titles like Brands and Ryan, or he could wind up being like Duane Goldman, Jim Heffernan or Barry Davis.
My understanding is that it is also his way of improving Oklahoma statewide for wrestling. The idea of improving the program and RTC will benefit all college programs in the state and the high school and youth programs
Who was Gable's David Taylor? Did he have a guy that seemed to be so poised/set up for success in coaching as David?
Interesting .... shows Cael means business. Pegula I'm not sure how big of a wrestling fan he is but he isn't typically listed among the big wrestling donors. (Ira Lubert and Galen Dreibelbis are that) I have heard obviously he is a fan of anything involving PSU winning and has been at nationals but have to be careful going to that well over and over since PSU fans think he's the solution to everything NIL. Yes people with his money can solve problems with their passive income basically but similarly, they didn't get where they have by mindlessly throwing it around without drawing lines.
Similar to Chad Richison only committing to help Oklahoma State wrestling (he doesn't donate for any other sport) and also he only was opening the checkbook if they showed they were serious about changes (hiring DT and not Coleman)
We're the best team. Ohio State is the best program.
But seriously, if every school put forth their best effort, then Pitt would cut into our advantage, and Ohio State might end up the best program.
To an extent there's been some luck over the years -- there are still only 10 weights, and we've recruited a lot of high-end guys who chose other schools. The lucky part is that they've mostly dispersed. I think we'd still have many team titles had those guys not dispersed so much, but we might not have a dynasty.
I don’t think there has to be much of a response. When you get down to it we’re loaded. This is an individual sport, although having good non-starters helps development. The fact that talent may become more concentrated in another camp doesn’t fundamentally change that you try to get the best you can at each weight, it mostly just changes the way points are distributed among the other squads. Only that relatively minor development bump at the new concentrated squad competes for your points.
I can't tell if you're being facetious or not.
Was Zalesky viewed as a great up-and-coming coaching candidate? I realize the wrestling world was much different then.
You must have started following wrestling in 2010.
I went to UPenn, but **** the Quakers!
But seriously, I was a faculty brat who got free tuition if I got in, so it was a no brainer, but I had almost nothing in common with the vast majority of very wealthy classmates I had. Where I am from, you liked Penn State or Notre Dame - full stop. I’d be in the stands at Franklin Field watching I-AA dorks for the camaraderie, but listening on my Walkman to Penn State games (or going to the bar to watch them).
I knew I was a fish out of water my first day in the Quad when I saw people out there tossing footballs and such. Most of them threw worse than my sister - it was like, do any of you have fathers? These were kids who went to Broadway plays when they were 8, but had never played smear the queer, king of the hill, red rover, kick the can, etc. Mind boggling to me.
So, yeah, if I had Pegula’s dough, Cael’s getting about $20 million within the month just as a show of force.
Maybe Sean McDermott says hold my beer and has a talk with Pegula due to his relationship with Coach Cael? Lol
He was the hand-picked successor to Gable who had been groomed for the job, including a stint outside the program. Then he won 3 straight titles out of the box. He was much more of a "sure thing" than Taylor is now. 9 years of learning and grooming for Zalesky.
Then, of course, things went south and Gable undermined Zalesky at Iowa. No love lost between those two.
Golf tournament at Clinton. Friday of Memorial Day weekend. Ask him anything you want.
DT might transform college wrestling the way Cael did. Cael might move on from PSU in a few years to pursue something else. Who knows? I don’t want to be the “bury my head in the sand Iowa guy” and assume this move is a meaningless speed bump.
That said… until a program can go 70-7 in the NCAA semis (or whatever the ridiculous record is) I won’t believe it is as simple as throwing big money at a bigtime wrestler turned coach and some bigtime recruits. NCAA semis are usually stud vs stud… guys every program recruited… guys who are top 5 seeds usually… guys who rarely lose.
You win 90% of those matches and you have something unique going on. Coaching, confidence, weight management, team comraderie, different styles of practice partners, whatever it is. I guess we will see if DT can create it, or create something different and unique that will materially impact what PSU has right now. I am skeptical.
I view this all as a clear win-win from a Penn State fan perspective. Taylor can get some solid on the job head coaching experience, rack up a long string of second-place team finishes, and return to be the head coach at Penn State in 12 to 15 years when Cael retires. How can anyone dislike that?
just watched DTs press conf. No big deal and he did a good job. Says he is going to win and a key to that is a good RTC. Seems like Tyler Caldwell is still on 'staff' as he was mentioned working with the u20 and u23 kids along with D Fix. Didn't see Kennedy or Thomas but were verbally introduced.
Yeah, that 1-15 season at VT just SCREAMED guaranteed success. 😂
It's official. I just wish we could've seen DT leave his shoes on the mat at the BJC.
Other schools cannot suddenly develop geography, but they certainly can develop financial commitment overnight. It just takes one rich booster.
That really doesn’t jibe with DT’s personality- he’s got a healthy ego.
Now I could totally see Gilman just doing an Irish Exit to his career
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