yes, tom was and is a great guy. went to lhu(then lhstc) with him. he wrestled, i played football. i was a townie and he was in a dorm. the townies would hang out at the lounge in one of the dorms. there were a bunch of us who played apba baseball between classes, great times. tom was quite a wrestler also, often wrestling several weight classes above his weight and winning most of the time. believe he started wrestling magazine and can always be seen at matches taking pictures. same guy today as he was nearly 60 years ago.
David Taylor to Oklahoma State & related news
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Considering the folks in the PSU room had direct access to DT as well as his number, it makes sense congratulations were given personally. Public displays of congrats for those who shook a hand, got a hug or conversed over a phone call aren't all that necessary.
On vacation with the fam and was wearing a PSU wrestling hat. A man wearing OSU golf gear head to toe came up and said how excited he was. Said his son golfed at OSU but his whole family went to OSU over the years. He was old enough to remember the days when OSU would be a title contender every year. Said some of his fondest memories were in IG Arena watching the wrestling team. Nice conversation, said he hopes DT can bring the offensive style to Stillwater. That conversation made me happy to see the excitement reignited in a fan, even if it might impact PSU down the road a bit with recruits.
Yea , none of those guys are big on social media and share views on other topics , they just exclude it on this one Jesus they all are active on social media
I agree with @5q - something went down as public displays are pretty much SOP nowadays
They’re just throwing out anyone who spent time at M2. It’s to be expected after this bombshell move that fans are irrationally exhuberant, but Duke and most other recruits came to M2 as a byproduct of being close to the NLWC - which was the main purpose of their move to town.
I don't do social media. Keeps me sane(er).
and M2 isn't going to just suddenly start sending every blue chipper to DT or they risk losing access to the NLWC. It's called a pipeline for a reason. Both ends of the pipeline have to be working in tandem for the product to flow.
So I understand your point. He pissed off every single Nittany Lion wrestling affiliate and they all aren't talking to him now. OK, that makes more sense.
Yup
No congratulations to David from the PSU wrestling community
NLWC wishes David luck on his new career
It’s 2024 , not 1985
Everything is put on social media to congrat people
He did to a handful of them
The ones that are active on social media
I mean , who do you think Carter’s tweet was about ?
Yes. For starters, it won't be M2 any more, maybe by brand but with zero Taylor association. David will need to completely divest from it including his name.
He might occasionally be there as a camp coach -- like a lot of D1 coaches conduct camps across the country. But being in Oklahoma, he won't be there very much. Whereas some PSU varsity and NLWC guys will be there pretty much every practice.
Basic Pipelineology 101
Did The NLWC or PSU wrestling accounts congratulate Ed Ruth, Cenzo, Molinaro or Hall when they moved on to other college coaching opportunities (albeit assistant position)? I can’t remember. Either way, DT IS a PSU legend and it was only a matter of time before someone became a head coach. In a room as ultra competitive as the NLWC, I am not surprised there is a little discord. It doesn’t mean we as fans have to pick a side. I wish both DT and AB the best of success (with a ceiling of second place for DT😉)
This is where I fall on the subject as well. Every workplace has rivalries and cliques.
I'll throw in one data point here, FWIW. I have a friend whose family has a pretty good reputation in wrestling circles. He had an encounter with DT once that didn't sit too well with him. Does that mean DT is a bad guy? No. But it does mean that just like everyone else, (including me) he has his bad days. So maybe something happened where the stress of going through the negotiations with Ok State got the better of him and he didn't react well with the other PSU guys. I don't have any inside info on that subject, but I'm suggesting it as a possibility.
Actually, with Mark McKnight stepping in to run the club full-time, there is no need to change the name from M2
Safe to assume D2 has different rules for that than D1. Take Jody for instance, runs Young Guns but is an assistant coach at UPJ.
I'm sure Oklahoma State thinks they have access to our entire roster and recruiting class. PJ Duke is not a M2 kid like they said (he's in NY with KD who is a MASSIVE PSU fan) IIRC, Duke's list were mostly East Coast schools including Navy. Zack Ryder spent 1 year with M2 and he came here to establish residency and get in state tuition (the Nick Lee) because he basically chose to walk on for a chance to wrestle for Cael. I'm sure he's close to DT now. If Ryder wants to leave, he would need to portal since he's signed and enrolling. This gives Cael a 1 year lead to just recruit Ryder. Maybe the guy knows something about both but I wouldn't call them "M2 kids" It was Kasak and Levi if anything I would have worried about since they have been with DT since they were tots, Levi being one of his first students.
Bassett and Forrest, all bets off for them. Forrest has been penciled in there for a long time, Bassett I don't think ever was connected there (beyond his every school is on my list tweet lol) but obviously this can change things. But the fact Bassett and Forrest were looking at different schools shows they aren't the package people think they are. I think a big reason is it's almost inevitable they will pine for the 65 Olympic Spot one day and they know both know it.
Bassett and Forrest, all bets off for them. Forrest has been penciled in there for a long time, Bassett I don't think ever was connected there (beyond his every school is on my list tweet lol) but obviously this can change things. But the fact Bassett and Forrest were looking at different schools shows they aren't the package people think they are. I think a big reason is it's almost inevitable they will pine for the 65 Olympic Spot one day and they know both know it.
just never know he could be back in a few yrs!LOL
You can make a strong argument (if you can find anyone to argue with you) that Cael was the GOAT of folk style wrestling in the USA. He does not even enter the conversation for GOAT of Freestyle wrestling. I am guessing that DT knows this.
I’m certain I don’t want to surmise the views of the collective PSU wrestling community on what Carter says or writes.
He won his 4th NCAA championship, then a world silver the next year and then an Olympic gold the year after that. Then he retired from competition and became the greatest coach since Gable. I guess you can say he wasn’t the international goat, but that apparently wasn’t a goal of his.
What if Dake retires after Olympics and goes to OK St, say to head their RTC program?
Would that be the thing that might shake Duke?
He just grabbed Mark Hall for director of operations. Another great get from the tree, granted I don't know how much mat time that provides, sounds more like a desk job to me
Hall is going to Oklahoma, not Okie State.
Pearsall as director of ops seems to be the rumor
There's a photo on X (Cowboy Wrestling account) of Kennedy who appears to be coaching OSU wrestlers. It’s currently not NCAA folkstyle season. Is OSU permitted to have official team practice with coaches?
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