And Pribula.Gotta think Veilleux is now going to transfer.
I think Pribula will stay. He would be in line to compete to start next year and @ minimum be the back-up to Allar should Veilleux portal. I do think Veilluex would be most likely to portal, but maybe he'll stay. McCord (5 star) stayed @ OSU when Ewers came in and Stroud was named starter.And Pribula.
I hope you're right and I am wrong.I think Pribula will stay. He would be in line to compete to start next year and @ minimum be the back-up to Allar. I do think Veilluex would be most likely to portal, but maybe he'll stay. McCord (5 star) stayed @ OSU when Ewers came in and Stroud was named starter.
Hey today's mantra: if I ain't startin', I'm departin'.Gotta think Veilleux is now going to transfer.
Unfortunate, but true in some cases.Hey today's mantra: if I ain't startin', I'm departin'.
my question is why CJF chose to divulge this information publicly. He could have, simply, made the choice and sat on it unless he actually had to sub in for the starter.
totally agree. Drew Allar is the great hope of the future. He looked rough in the B/W game, albeit with an incredible arm. If he's improved to the point of being #2, that is great news as he has all of the toolsUnless we stop putting out official depth charts, it would have come out this week regardless. And if CV hits the portal, that would be a sign for sure (not saying that he does).
At the end of the day, this is probably excellent, best case scenario type news. 5* gunslinger looking better than a guy who played solid with his opportunities last year is excellent news.
Now if we can just get the running game going, perhaps we can slip him in for a series and PA pass deep on somebody! Ah, I can't wait for Thursday.
I think Beau sticks around at least another year. Redshirting this year puts a year between him and Allar. If Allar is as good as advertised and leaves after his jr year then Beau is looking at potentially starting his RS JR and Sr seasons.And Pribula.
I find it hard to believe that Allar is really more ready to play going into this season than Veilleux
I was thinking along these lines that it could be Allar and Veilleux are real close but since Allar is the 5 star so called savior he goes with him. Tie or close to a tie goes to the higher profile dude.I wonder if this is one of those fixing it type deals where they are putting the guy they expect to start the next 2 years in the backup role that way he's as ready for the job next year as possible?
Perhaps they plan on giving him set plays or series a la how Harbaugh did JJ McCarthy last year?
Also, if the portal rules change, you can manage your roster better.
CV looked 100x better than TR last year, but TR was probably 10000x worse than SC vs Iowa.
I highly doubt Allar would transfer out this year if he were named #3, much like I don't expect Beau to leave if he's #4. Otherwise, these kids would have picked different schools to start with.
If Pribula ever had to play in a meaningful game, the offense would look like it did at Iowa after Clifford went out. This is big loss if CV portals, and I think he will as we'll have two quarterbacks on the roster.I think Pribula will stay. He would be in line to compete to start next year and @ minimum be the back-up to Allar should Veilleux portal. I do think Veilluex would be most likely to portal, but maybe he'll stay. McCord (5 star) stayed @ OSU when Ewers came in and Stroud was named starter.
Methinks this is done to keep Allar happy and on team. We won’t really know who is #2 unless SC gets injured.I wonder if this is one of those fixing it type deals where they are putting the guy they expect to start the next 2 years in the backup role that way he's as ready for the job next year as possible?
Perhaps they plan on giving him set plays or series a la how Harbaugh did JJ McCarthy last year?
Also, if the portal rules change, you can manage your roster better.
CV looked 100x better than TR last year, but TR was probably 10000x worse than SC vs Iowa.
I highly doubt Allar would transfer out this year if he were named #3, much like I don't expect Beau to leave if he's #4. Otherwise, these kids would have picked different schools to start with.
Agreed. that is one reason why I wonder why it was announced. Putting in a true freshman in his first game, in prime time, against a quality opponent is quite an ask.Methinks this is done to keep Allar happy and on team. We won’t really know who is #2 unless SC gets injured.
Say SC goes down late in first period. Who do you think goes in? I vote Veilleux.
I wonder if this is one of those fixing it type deals where they are putting the guy they expect to start the next 2 years in the backup role that way he's as ready for the job next year as possible?
Perhaps they plan on giving him set plays or series a la how Harbaugh did JJ McCarthy last year?
Also, if the portal rules change, you can manage your roster better.
CV looked 100x better than TR last year, but TR was probably 10000x worse than SC vs Iowa.
I highly doubt Allar would transfer out this year if he were named #3, much like I don't expect Beau to leave if he's #4. Otherwise, these kids would have picked different schools to start with.
I don't believe Franklin would name Allar #2 unless he had the "data" to back it up. If you watched last week's Q&A press conference Franklin elaborated on the talks he was having with each player and how he explains to the players who may be disappointed in not getting a starting position why they lost that battle. He said he has data on every practice, every throw, every catch opportunity, etc. so that he can back up the staff's decisions. So I believe that in some ways Allar must have out performed Veilleux in Fall camp.I was thinking along these lines that it could be Allar and Veilleux are real close but since Allar is the 5 star so called savior he goes with him. Tie or close to a tie goes to the higher profile dude.
A bit of concern based on how lousy he looked in the Blue White game but obviously you have to think he has vastly improved since then and is ready to be the backup.
I think Veilleux is gone certainly by the end of the season. Franklin will try to keep him but he may just day I'm outta here even sooner.
have to say i was surprised. i've seen a couple of practice sessions and haven't been all that impressed with either fr. qb, but i would expect that at this stage of their careers. suppose there's always the possibility that v may be injured.Agreed. that is one reason why I wonder why it was announced. Putting in a true freshman in his first game, in prime time, against a quality opponent is quite an ask.
Except we know that is not always true. Franklin himself has said he will go with his gut and has done just that on a couple of occasions, especially at the QB position where there rarely seems to be a legitimate competition.I don't believe Franklin would name Allar #2 unless he had the "data" to back it up. If you watched last week's Q&A press conference Franklin elaborated on the talks he was having with each player and how he explains to the players who may be disappointed in not getting a starting position why they lost that battle.
I guess if this were game two or three, I'd be less surprised. If SC has to take a couple of breathers, now CJF has painted himself into a corner. If he plays DA and he doesn't do well, people will question that. If he doesn't play him, people will wonder WTF is going on.Except we know that is not always true. Franklin himself has said he will go with his gut and has done just that on a couple of occasions, especially at the QB position where there rarely seems to be a legitimate competition.
Right, the dreaded life of an extremely well compensated person forced to make critical decisions and get judged based on how those decisions turn out. Certainly not an unprecedented situation. Unenviable? To some degree, but I suppose a lot of us would trade salaries with Franklin. He will definitely be judged if Clifford plays poorly compounded by Will Levis going top 10 in the draft. He will have some egg on his face for sure.I guess if this were game two or three, I'd be less surprised. If SC has to take a couple of breathers, now CJF has painted himself into a corner. If he plays DA and he doesn't do well, people will question that. If he doesn't play him, people will wonder WTF is going on.
TBF, if he plays and plays well, everyone will say it was their idea. LOL
right...I wouldn't say anything at all. Who I put in would be conditional. Are we on a first down inside our own five down at a critical time, third and 5 at a critical time or is it up by 21 with five minutes left? I wouldn't have committed to a true frosh in his first game.Right, the dreaded life of an extremely well compensated person forced to make critical decisions and get judged based on how those decisions turn out. Certainly not an unprecedented situation. Unenviable? To some degree, but I suppose a lot of us would trade salaries with Franklin. He will definitely be judged if Clifford plays poorly compounded by Will Levis going top 10 in the draft. He will have some egg on his face for sure.
Definitely big boy pants time for James this year. Not sure if covid, O-line, injuries, or a lack of financial commitment from the school will suffice. I think they need to find a way to win 8 this year minimum.
Yeah, and I'm sorry if my post seemed critical of you, I really appreciate your posts btw. Does seem weird he did that, but it actually seems a little uncharacteristic of Franklin and I think that is good and is sort of a "tell" of maybe some growth. Maybe it's his way of putting a little extra focus on Sean...that the future of this program is looking over his shoulder...he needs to be sharp and focused(especially early in games when Clifford sails everything). Maybe he is signaling to Drew that you need to be the guy for our program in the future....I'm giving you the responsibility now. Maybe it signals something to the rest of the team too. Franklin has either been wrong or slow to make critical decisions most of the time(don't make me explain them all), but I like Franklin and I have been hoping to see pockets of growth. Not talking up the O-line in the offseason for once was a good move. You don't recruit the #1 QB in the country and subscribe to the "earn it and develop it" rules anymore.....more and more programs are recruiting, committing to those guys early, building offenses/teams around their skill set...sending them into the NFL, and starting over with another high end QB recruit. I don't like it to some degree and it seems a little unnatural, but if you want to keep a stream of really talented QB's coming in, you best get em on the field, develop them, and have them be successful.right...I wouldn't say anything at all. Who I put in would be conditional. Are we on a first down inside our own five down at a critical time, third and 5 at a critical time or is it up by 21 with five minutes left? I wouldn't have committed to a true frosh in his first game.
Perhaps someone beats me to it, hello Gary TempletonHey today's mantra: if I ain't startin', I'm departin'.
I don't know about that. It doesn't seem to be the Franklin way. For all that we know this could be an indictment of the OL. Franklin has decided that the 6'5 235 lb QB is a better option with a bad OL than the QBs he outweighs by at least 20 lbs.I think they made Drew #2 because Clifford is on a short leash. If he loses, I think Drew moves into QB1 right away.
I too would be concerned about putting Allar in a game @ ths point given the fact Veilleux is a known B1G game proven QB.I don't believe Franklin would name Allar #2 unless he had the "data" to back it up. If you watched last week's Q&A press conference Franklin elaborated on the talks he was having with each player and how he explains to the players who may be disappointed in not getting a starting position why they lost that battle. He said he has data on every practice, every throw, every catch opportunity, etc. so that he can back up the staff's decisions. So I believe that in some ways Allar must have out performed Veilleux in Fall camp.
But I would have a hard time discounting out the fact that Veilleux played in and won a B10 game and looked very poised, very accurate, and just plain very good in that game.
Franklin has also stated that he really needs to get the backup QB's more game action. Will Allar now get all the backup snaps/series? That should be interesting as well.
I thought and still do that the best scenario for keeping all 3 young QB's would have been for Veilleux to end up as the backup this whole season, and for Franklin to rotate the 3 young QB's into games when he can so that they each get some chances during the season. With that scenario now busted it seems like a crap shoot on who will be the QB' on the roster January 1, 2023.........
Or maybe Franklin means what he says about this being a fluid situation which is not set in stone.I was thinking along these lines that it could be Allar and Veilleux are real close but since Allar is the 5 star so called savior he goes with him. Tie or close to a tie goes to the higher profile dude.
A bit of concern based on how lousy he looked in the Blue White game but obviously you have to think he has vastly improved since then and is ready to be the backup.
I think Veilleux is gone certainly by the end of the season. Franklin will try to keep him but he may just day I'm outta here even sooner.