Drew Allar
- Thread starter NittanyChris
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Totally disagree. I don’t think you lose a QB recruit because they might have to be 2nd string for just their true freshman year, especially when they see the depth chart will soon be open.
I watched Allars tape. I’m sure it’s lots just cause I’m not a recruiter but I’m not seeing it. His ball looks slow, delivery is slow, and he chucks up prayer long balls.
I’m super excited about Allar but his accomplishments so far are no where near Lawrence. Drew is 74th in the composite and the #7 QB. TL was the #1 overall prospect on every recruiting service.
Agree, except Allar doesn't have quite the velocity or speed of Lawrence at the same age.
He’s the number 12 prospect on 247 (#1 QB), and the number 36 prospect on ESPN (#4 QB). I’m not sure who’s corn flakes Drew pissed in at Rivals to continue to be underrated.
That's why I only pay attention to the 247 Composite. Some services overrate a kid, others don't give him enough credit. The 247 Composite averages all of these biases.
Could argue…after they were already ruined by ineptness...but it’s a pointless debate.
Maybe for Newsome. The others weren't in the program long enough to have been ruined if the talent was really there. Agreed no point in debating, water way under the bridge. Jay can ruin football players by voting against expenditures for the team now instead.
I don’t know what you’re seeing that makes you think his ball and delivery are slow.
How much less could you care?
You sure got one thing right. You’re not a recruiter
You better let every school in the country know since they all want him.
You can bet that the Ohio State coaches are whispering to Allar that Clifford is likely to come back and thus Allar will sit his first year at Penn State. However, if Allar goes to the Ohio State then they will dump their current QB and Allar will start immediately.
What? You’re crazy! They have four QBs that could/would start just about anywhere. He’s not going to Ohio State. He’s stated as much. Stop this ridiculous narrative.
Rivals puts waaayyyy too much emphasis on THEIR camps.
Yep, and the QB who played ended up with a 4 year career in the NFL. Go figure.
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Also, OSU is not getting Allar to flip but that's contingent on the the PSU coaching staff staying put (of course). If Franklin leaves for another school, all bets are off. He loves and has a great relationship with the staff. OSU realizes that Allar is a long shot at best if Franklin stays and is really trying to get in USC 2022 commit D. Brown's ear - who they are also trying to flip
If Allar is forced to start immediately next year, it could be a long year for PSU football. And this is not a shot at Allar - very few true freshman are ready for big-time CF straight out of HS as most of us already know. Trevor Lawrence was an exception. Was reading an article on OSU's Eleven Warriors that their all-everything QB, true freshman Ewers - has a LONG ways to go before he's anywhere near ready to make a contribution. His arm - strength an accuracy - is off the charts but....... The best thing that can happen to Allar is Clifford returning and letting Allar slowly work his way onto the field.
Also, OSU is not getting Allar to flip but that's contingent on the the PSU coaching staff staying put (of course). If Franklin leaves for another school, all bets are off. He loves and has a great relationship with the staff. OSU realizes that Allar is a long shot at best if Franklin stays and is really trying to get in USC 2022 commit D. Brown's ear - who they are also trying to flip
Possibly but then no other QB coach got anything out of them either. Perhaps it was more the evaluator than the coach. 🤷♂️
Bit of an indictment of the ratings system. If you look at the top rated guys from around that time, they're pretty much all busts.
Top 10:
- 1
1
Phillip SimsOscar Smith (Chesapeake, VA)
PRO
6-2 / 217
0.9846
31 1 1
- 2
8
Blake BellBishop Carroll (Wichita, KS)
DUAL
6-6 / 215
0.9678
66 1 1
- 3
2
Devin GardnerInkster (Inkster, MI)
DUAL
6-4 / 195
0.9677
67 2 2
- 4
4
Jesse ScrogginsLakewood (Lakewood, CA)
PRO
6-3 / 195
0.9646
77 2 13
- 5
3
Rob BoldenSt. Mary's (West Bloomfield, MI)
DUAL
6-4 / 200
0.9568
91 3 3
- 6
7
Tyler BrayKingsburg (Kingsburg, CA)
PRO
6-6 / 210
0.9550
94 3 14
- 7
5
Jake HeapsSkyline (Sammamish, WA)
PRO
6-2 / 195
0.9547
95 4 1
- 8
6
Connor WoodSecond Baptist (Houston, TX)
PRO
6-4 / 209
0.9345
145 5 22
- 9
13
Paul JonesSto-Rox (Mckees Rocks, PA)
PRO
6-3 / 226
0.9330
149 6 5
- 10
10
Barry BrunettiMemphis University School (Memphis, TN)
DUAL
6-0 / 207
0.9221
186 4 5
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If Ohio State is loaded at QB then why were Ohio State coaches at Allar's game last Friday night? Supposedly Allar is the number 1 QB prospect in the country. Do you think all 4 of Ohio State's current QBs are better prospects?
Because programs like OSU never stop recruiting top talent. They have recruited a 5* QB three years in a row. The fact the are trying to flip Allar doesn’t mean they don’t love their QB room
They're recruiting both Allar and D. Brown hard because they'll probably lose one - maybe even two - of the current QBs on their roster to the portal which has really impacted CF recruiting. Don't forget that former 2022 no. 1 overall recruit QB Ewers threw a monkey wrench into OSU's QB plan when he reclassified from 2022 to 2021 and is currently on the OSU roster. And if OSU didn't feel they had an excellent chance with Ewers, they would have initially went after Allar hard.
As for all 4 being better prospects, we won't know until Allar is on a CF roster. Big difference between dominating HS football and CF.
Fact.
This was in the middle of college football being dominated by the Zone Read. Vince Young had everybody searching for the next guy who could run like hell and throw a good ball.
The reality of it: the # who could do so was small. Didn't stop evaluators from propping up kids who could throw in t-shirts and mesh shorts, but weren't throwing a lot in HS.
The idea that Allar would be more concerned about the possibility of Clifford maybe returning for one more year than an Ohio State QB room completely stocked with highly rated QBs is a little silly.
Well, since one of their current QBs was the consensus top QB in the 2022 class by a large margin until he reclassified, enrolled early and got paid a million dollars, and two others are five stars that have been in the system for multiple years, they wouldn’t be promising Allar the starting job.
Day's best pitch: if you win the job, you are probably going to be a first round pick.
If you transfer out, you might be the next Joe Burrow.
It's way more about prepping you to get drafted than playing time. Consecutive Big 10 titles and playoff appearances to boot.
Like it or not, the top QB schools over the last 4 or 5 years are
1.) Oklahoma
1a) OSU
2 Alabama
Those three basically get almost every HS QB they go after hard. Both Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day have the reputations of QB gurus - especially Riley. And I believe Day was a QB coach in the NFL.
And that's leaving out Clemson. Watson/Lawrence are as good as any those 3 have produced.
And not coincidentally these are the playoff teams as well.
No doubt he had some poor throws in this game, but what I pointed out and again at 7:00 is what he's capable of, and definitely showed more consistently in recent highlights. Maybe he wasn't feeling great that game or maybe he's gotten stronger as the season has progressed. I've noticed that Pribula's arm seems stronger too in his last game versus earlier in the season. Back to the play at 7:00, notice how he maneuvers in the pocket to escape pressure while keeping his eyes downfield, then throws a perfectly thrown ball so his WR can run after the catch: composure, mobility, accuracy. I'd say velocity is the least of his strengths but still has good arm strength, just not a Lawrence, Fields, Ewers type fastball (as freshman).
And check out Georgia's QB recruiting lately. Heck, they were so stacked that Justin Fields transferred out.
Funny how that works out, huh ? I think we can all agree - well, most of us - that a CF team's success starts at the QB position
top qb schools using what metric? getting QBs drafted? maybe. preparing QBs to play in the NFL? no. Career longevity? no. putting up gaudy numbers in college? maybe yes.
Since 2000, 7 QBs drafted in 21 years. TOTAL:
Steve Bellisari - who?
Craig Krenzel - huh?
Troy Smith - flash year or 2 but nah
Terrelle Pryor - HAH!
Cardale Jones - nope
Dwayne Haskins - Funniest of all
Justin Fields - too early to tell
OSU is NOT a QB school. they're a WR/DE/CB/OL school, but in no way are they a QB school.
I don't have a clue how much Fields progressed from his freshman to sophomore years, but Kirby played it way too safe. He rolled with the game manager over pure arm talent and it cost him. Difference in Saban and Smart right there and it's on display in the trophy cases.
Now he's rolling with a former walk on who went JUCO before getting a 'ship and a USC transfer who can't get healthy. His '22 commit looks good though.
